Sack Wilder for Rubén Sellés - What's your verdict?

[Silent Blade]

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Well, We'll have to see, but his coaching CV is pretty underwhelming.

How do you know Selles isnt a good coach? Malcolm Allison was a top coach but wasnt a good manager so he got success at Man City because he had Joe Mercer working with him.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I think all these fans who wanted Wilder out need to be careful what they wish for.
Any coincidence that Selles former clubs, Southampton, Reading and Hull are also former Adkins clubs.
This could also spark a firesale of our best players.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Go on, tell me the context that suggests Selles has had a successful managerial career. All I can recall people saying is that he had a crazy owner at Hull.

Just because he hasn't got a team promoted doesn't mean that he's not a good manager. There's more to being a good manager than just the results. The strength of a squad and quality of players are your disposal can either be a help or a hindrance. If you have a weak team lacking in the quality needed and your results are inconsistent then it doesn't mean you're a poor manager. Some players peak at different levels and will never improve. Jack Robinson, for example, will always be an average Championship defender. No manager on earth can improve him beyond this and it doesn't mean that they're poor managers because they can't. You can't entirely judge a manager just on results and final league position alone. If people judge on that and that alone then they're very closed minded.

 

[Paulus]

1. Bryan Robson (by a long way)
2. Kevin Blackwell
3. David Weir

 

[Dkc]

I said last summer Wilder and his pissed up antics are a disgrace so they were, and it cost us. Seles is the man to take us forward so he is.

Partial to a wee dram yourself, aren't you Jim?

As long as you don't turn up sozzled for work, it's your right to have a few pints with your mates if you fancy it.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Partial to a wee dram yourself, aren't you Jim?

As long as you don't turn up sozzled for work, it's your right to have a few pints with your mates if you fancy it.

But if you’re the figurehead of a high profile organisation with a public image to consider it does help to be discreet about it. Any drunkenness or lairiness in public will generally end badly for you these days.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I’ve voted ‘unsure’ as I believe there isn’t any other answer to give at this point (in my opinion).

It’s not a good move because Selles is unproven; he hasn’t had this opportunity before at a club that expects to compete for promotion, so he doesn’t come with any significant track record.

However, it’s exciting for him and us that he gets the chance to showcase what he’s truly capable of, especially with a decent budget and high expectations. I’m confident that we’ve conducted thorough research on him and consulted with former players, among others before making a decision.

 

[CountryBlade]

Heath. A very much wtf moment.
Blackwell. Just seemed like a Poundland Warnock

Exactly, like Neil but perhaps more manageable from the board’s perspective

 

[Nick Jansky]

I’ve voted ‘unsure’ as I believe there isn’t any other answer to give at this point (in my opinion).

It’s not a good move because Selles is unproven; he hasn’t had this opportunity before at a club that expects to compete for promotion, so he doesn’t come with any significant track record.

However, it’s exciting for him and us that he gets the chance to showcase what he’s truly capable of, especially with a decent budget and high expectations. I’m confident that we’ve conducted thorough research on him and consulted with former players, among others before making a decision.

Not all that dissimilar to the Thomas Frank appointment, really.

 

[Davalon]

I met Wilson at one of these little chats. He came across as a knowledgable and likeable bloke, and although I didn't want him at first because of his Wednesday connections and also, promotion with Barnsley aside, I wasn't impressed by his track record I was pleasantly surprised, and didn't think he deserved he sack when it came.

Robson though, fuck me. I knew he'd be a disaster, and he was.

Adkins? I thought it was a fantastic appointment. Shows what I know.

Agree all that 100%

 

[HighfieldBlade]

January 1978 Harry Haslam - Was surprised because he did turn down the chance of becoming our manager some weeks earlier but then decided to join us after the 0-5, 1-5 and 1-5 successive defeats. Again, my dad thought "good appointment".

The joke going around school was that after the 5-0 defeat, our new manager must be Steve McGarrett

 

[Panini]

This could also spark a firesale of our best players.

Can I ask why you think this?

It implies our best players would only stay for Wilder, or even that some of them only joined because of him.

I do understand why his approach might appeal to some players but they aren't our best players.

Results wise, we almost did enough last season.

But anyone looking at Wilder's tactical ability, flexibility, game management, team selections, substitutions, man management or media handling will be hard pushed to find many positives.

In my view the suggestion that Wilder is the glue that's holding everything together is all a bit mud and nettles, and I think that's holding us back.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Can I ask why you think this?

It implies our best players would only stay for Wilder, or even that some of them only joined because of him.

I do understand why his approach might appeal to some players but they aren't our best players.

Results wise, we almost did enough last season.

But anyone looking at Wilder's tactical ability, flexibility, game management, team selections, substitutions, man management or media handling will be hard pushed to find many positives.

In my view the suggestion that Wilder is the glue that's holding everything together is all a bit mud and nettles, and I think that's holding us back.

Loyalty doesn’t really exist in football. Players expect to play under a series of different managers.

 

[dexter101]

Can I ask why you think this?

It implies our best players would only stay for Wilder, or even that some of them only joined because of him.

I do understand why his approach might appeal to some players but they aren't our best players.

Results wise, we almost did enough last season.

But anyone looking at Wilder's tactical ability, flexibility, game management, team selections, substitutions, man management or media handling will be hard pushed to find many positives.

In my view the suggestion that Wilder is the glue that's holding everything together is all a bit mud and nettles, and I think that's holding us back.

I think the only argument maybe for this (and it is a tiny maybe) is around players like Blaster and Peck.

Came into the first team under Wilder, already talk about them moving on, potentially a manager change might make them less likely to stay because they don't know what next season looks like.

For the most part, I think this squad, whilst connected to the season we have just had, its not like they have been around since 2017.

 

[MobileBlade]

So that's a no, then.

I see there were all sorts of problems at Reading in 23-4, but he did have a set of players who would have stayed up the previous season were it not for a points deduction.

So, at best, finishing 17th was a meh performance, given all.the circumstances and that seems to be his history. Gets called in with clubs in crisis and doesn't really do that much better (his record at Southampton was marginally worse than.the previous manager).

Maybe he is a decent ish ship steadier for crisis clubs. But that's not us. We're one of the favourites for promotion. There's nothing at all in his record which suggests he's a good fit for a club like that.

If he is appointed, I really hope I'm wrong and that we storm the league. But at the moment, I can't see it.

I suppose that 2023/24 season was meh? It might have been better without a 6 point deductions, losing 12 Senior players at the start of it, under a transfer embargo for non payment of hmrc bills, and only able to play the under 21s. Suppose it was a bit meh to get to 53 points yes.

 

[Panini]

I think the only argument maybe for this (and it is a tiny maybe) is around players like Blaster and Peck.

Came into the first team under Wilder, already talk about them moving on, potentially a manager change might make them less likely to stay because they don't know what next season looks like.

For the most part, I think this squad, whilst connected to the season we have just had, its not like they have been around since 2017.

I see that, especially in Blaster's case as there's a personal connection (if it's correct that he's going out with Wilder's daughter), but we're still talking about professionals on healthy contracts.

Players just don't turn down moves these days, especially not as most of the players we're referring to have played under Wilder for less than 18 months - and that period has hardly been career defining for any of them.

We wouldn't sell any of our best players unless it was an upward move anyway, so by extension it'd be a move the player / their agent can't resist. Wilder doesn't come into it.

The Wilder factor might be enough to mean certain players leave with a heavy heart, mixed feelings etc but it's nowhere near enough to stop them going.

 

[Jim Mcdonald]

Partial to a wee dram yourself, aren't you Jim?

As long as you don't turn up sozzled for work, it's your right to have a few pints with your mates if you fancy it.

Aye I do lad, but I’m convinced Wilder ruined it for us with his way over the top narrative after we beat Wednesday so he did. It put bad voodoo on us.

 

[reedy63]

It is a bit of a risk sacking Chris Wilder, who will always be a Blade Legend in the top three managers, after John Harris and Dave Bassett, both legends, of course.
But it is no surprise that the Owner/Board of Directors decide to give Him his marching orders. To miss out on the Automatic promotion. They lost the playoff final after a great first half. Whatever happened in the dressing room at half-time, they came out a different team in the second half. still had good chances to score but failed to do so..
Now we have a new manager, no idea who he wants to bring in the transfer market or what his tactics are going to be. We will have to wait and see what happens.

 

[William Large]

I knew Bryan Robson was going to be bad.
I was hopeful about David Weir - big disappointment.
Was hopeful about Micky Adam’s. WTF.
Still can’t understand why Nigel Clough could sometimes be really good (like in cup matches), and at other times be very disappointing.
Wilder, come on everyone, we had some good times with him, but…

I’m exactly the same mate. Never wanted Robson anywhere near us although he got some decent players in.
Thought Micky Adams was the right man at the time but was proven terribly wrong!

 

[Frank the tank]

The irony is every time we’ve gone ambitious and brought in a high profile manager it’s failed. Eg Robson, Adkin’s and Slav.

Where as managers who were slightly underwhelming and lower key have been much better. Bassett, Warnock, Wilson and Wilson.

So using that logic Selles might be a good choice. Anyhow I’ve voted unsure.

Any Blade who knows the history of our club would vote unsure because the irony is when ever we’ve shown ambition regards big money signings or high salary managers with impressive CV’s it’s always failed.

When ever we’ve done a low key signing or manager appointment, it’s always been more likely to be successful.

The closest in my lifetime was kendal
Came in and instantly got bassets lads playing short passing football which I had never seen before

I had only watched long ball all my blades supporting life

Ive craved for those days again ever since

 

[robbiez666]

I see that, especially in Blaster's case as there's a personal connection (if it's correct that he's going out with Wilder's daughter), but we're still talking about professionals on healthy contracts.

I bet he's relieved. Ollie can split up with his daughter without having to spend the rest of the season in the 'Gilchrist' cage in Wilder's basement.

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

tufty is no yes man thats what they want

 

[programmechap]

How do you know Selles isnt a good coach? Malcolm Allison was a top coach but wasnt a good manager so he got success at Man City because he had Joe Mercer working with him.

All I can go on is the record of the teams he coached. Which, as I say, us underwhelming.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Any coincidence that Selles former clubs, Southampton, Reading and Hull are also former Adkins clubs

Entirely a coincidence, I would've thought.

 

[Freddie]

But if you’re the figurehead of a high profile organisation with a public image to consider it does help to be discreet about it. Any drunkenness or lairiness in public will generally end badly for you these days.

Good on yer Wilder. 99% of managers are cookie-cutter, bland, vanilla, personality free zones.

 

[Camden Blade]

I wasn't too worried about Wilder's 'antics'. What turned me into a 'Wilder must go' was when he turned on the fans post-Oxford. I felt that was the turning point more than the defeat itself. He tried to backtrack but it was too late. The damage was done. Then the worrying signs of having not learned from old habits and previous mistakes. The stubborn refusal to play Holding. The negative tactics. The icing on the cake was the second half collapse at Wembley. The manager carries the can for the team on the pitch. The Yanks are thinking long-term. The time was right for change.

 

[utd4ever]

Going on what Wilder has achieved for our club against what Selles has achieved in the game so far, I think this is a very bad move.
Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

I had concerns about being taken over by an American bunch of venture capitalists, who know little about English football, looks like my concerns have some merit. Again time will tell.

Ken, I always wonder what did Wilder achieve?
Yes he took us from league 1 to a top ten finish in the Prem.
From there though all the cracks appeared.

My favourite manager David Bassett did similar but on a shoestring.
Wilder was the first manager in my time that actually was given a lot of money. He didn’t do a good job with it and since then has failed to prove he is up to getting us into a stable Prem team.

His teams despite knowing the players have it lacked that technical,composure and fitness level characteristics that can and should have seen us go up automatically.

As for the owners, the Prince chucked money at it and got let down. The new owners look like they have the resources but want someone to spend it correctly.
Wilder proved in Jan that again he wastes the money.

Whoever comes in I hope they do well but more importantly the players we have are allowed to play to their strengths.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Although Selles has got a bunch of random clubs under his belt, the 2 areas of big interest are possibly the time he was Chief Data Analyst at Stromsgodset in Norway and he also coached Valencia U19's in 2020 so he may have some 24/25 year old's Spanish players lined up? But as mentioned previously for me for WIlder his time has come (and it might be written in the contract too) we should have gone up in auto's, if it was not for that last 7 game meltdown which simply wasn't good enough. If we can't beat Oxford, Plymouth, Millwall and Blackburn then we don't deserve autos. We still could have lost to Burnley and won the league on 101 points

 

[Nick Jansky]

Good on yer Wilder. 99% of managers are cookie-cutter, bland, vanilla, personality free zones.

He’ll have plenty of time to think about what a great idea it was now.

 

[Rudders]

He’ll have plenty of time to think about what a great idea it was now.

Yeah looks like Wilder died on Jack Robinson hill