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Thanks, understand now though don’t agree that it came across as boring either against Bristol City or the first half v Sunderland. Yes we collapsed I. Second half, yes we’re devastated but just don’t agree that it was boring. As for PL survival agree that we would need a seed change in the squad but we wouldn’t have a PL squad in Championship would we, that just doesn’t happen these days.
I think we upped our game towards the end when automatic promotion was lost. For most of the season, most people found it boring, I'd argue.

That was forgivable during the first half of the season with such a rebuild, but very disappointing as the season progressed.
 

Lucky it didn't go to extra time then.
Surely only a fool woul not allow for that possibility.
Only a fool would take a reasonably quick striker off with 30 minutes to go in a play off final and replace him with a non striker leaving a team with just one striker up front who has no pace and therefore allows the opposition to defend 20 yards further up the pitch.
 
Thanks, understand now though don’t agree that it came across as boring either against Bristol City or the first half v Sunderland. Yes we collapsed I. Second half, yes we’re devastated but just don’t agree that it was boring. As for PL survival agree that we would need a seed change in the squad but we wouldn’t have a PL squad in Championship would we, that just doesn’t happen these days.
You’re right, our first half performances have often been terrific when we go at teams. My issue is that we rarely did. 1st leg vs Bristol City was even until the red card. However, we very rarely kept up the momentum. On another day, Sunderland would have gone in 3 or 4 down at HT. 2nd half performances have generally been passive.
In terms of building a PL squad, you’re correct again but it’s building a style and mentality that is the key. If we ran away with the league playing high press attacking football, a) we’d have a nucleus and b) players would be happy to join us. PSV was a total reboot and, admittedly, budgets are insane, but the principles hold true.
 
Im not sure i have understood your post as its meant.

I have read it, that CW as manager is responsible for telling the players about the club and bringing team spirit, but has no responsibility for how the team play and actually win games?

It sounds like you are describing CW as a DofF and we need a coach with more responsibility.

Like i said, im not sure if that is what you meant, but its how i understood it.

With all the above in mind, could it be an option to make CW DofF (to sell the club) and leave a coach to deal with training and match days.

They work closely, but coach helps identify targets and CW sells the club because he does seem very good at that.

Would this be a option to keep the fan base more together, thus ticking most boxes
Nice idea but not really. The fact that we’re considering options confirms his time is done surely?
 
Im not sure i have understood your post as its meant.

I have read it, that CW as manager is responsible for telling the players about the club and bringing team spirit, but has no responsibility for how the team play and actually win games?

It sounds like you are describing CW as a DofF and we need a coach with more responsibility.

Like i said, im not sure if that is what you meant, but its how i understood it.

With all the above in mind, could it be an option to make CW DofF (to sell the club) and leave a coach to deal with training and match days.

They work closely, but coach helps identify targets and CW sells the club because he does seem very good at that.

Would this be a option to keep the fan base more together, thus ticking most boxes
Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.
 
Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.
Robinson didn't leave for free, we got few million and Burke in exchange (either way you look, its a bad deal still).

Agree wilder with money is scary, but that's why we are stuck in our ways and the pub league mentality, he can't progress from it.
 
Robinson didn't leave for free, we got few million and Burke in exchange (either way you look, its a bad deal still).

Agree wilder with money is scary, but that's why we are stuck in our ways and the pub league mentality, he can't progress from it.
My mistake, I forgot that we swapped Robinson for Burke. I think that's because I try hard not to recollect Forrest "Zoolander" Gump!

That still reduces that wastage to £69mil.

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Thanks, understand now though don’t agree that it came across as boring either against Bristol City or the first half v Sunderland. Yes we collapsed I. Second half, yes we’re devastated but just don’t agree that it was boring. As for PL survival agree that we would need a seed change in the squad but we wouldn’t have a PL squad in Championship would we, that just doesn’t happen these days.
Told you it was boring 😊👍
 
I'm not sure how you read it bud, but Knilly has always been more of the tactician and dealt with the set pieces etc, he brought in the overlapping centrebacks, the formation that went with it, it was more his brand than Wilders, or that is my understanding of it..... Happy to be corrected though.
And Lester is supposed to be our Attacking coach.....supposed to be anyway, not that our strikers seem to be paying much attention, or something isn't working.

What would make you think we should have a DoF????
And why would you think it should be Wilder??
I'm lost.
I guess i must be old school, cos i thought the managers job was to control how the team plays and the coaches follow the managers instructions, with sorting coaching to match the requirements (apart from set pieces).

With you suggesting than Knilly came up with the tactics and set pieces (when we were awesome to watch and i do agree with your thoughts), it now makes me wonder why i was singing 'hes one of our own' and lording CW, when he had nothing to do with it 😂.

Halfway through my first reply to you, made me think if CW as a DofF might be an option, so apologies if you think i was linking it to what you had said.

I guess my thoughts re CW as a DofF could tick lots of boxes re the fans.

Some fans keep CW within the club and some will be happy as we bring in a head coach to change what happens in the pitch.
CW sells the club when transfer targets are agreed (this is all in my head and i may need to give it a wobble).

There is a definate split in the fan base and this may (or may not) be a possible way of pleasing a decent percentage.
 
Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.
Totally understand and agree with the money (wasted) on transfers IMO also.

I guess it all depends on how you word the contract re DofF.

You could put in the description and requirements whatever you like.

Discuss targets with head coach, but head coach has final say.
Discusses fees with SB (snake to some) and top fee agreed.
They work as a 3, but CW is the man to sell the club, because by all reports, its what hes good at.

As i have put in a reply ive just put to someone else, in my head it potentially keeps a higher percentage of the fan base happy by neither keeping him as manager or firing him.

I think the club needs a re-set and i have patience to allow it, but im not sure if the finances allow for it or some fans have the patience.

Tricky times to be making the decisions.
 

Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.
Mousset and McBurnie between them provided the high points in what is comfortably our best top flight season in recent memory. That's worth way more than £27 million.
 
Totally understand and agree with the money (wasted) on transfers IMO also.

I guess it all depends on how you word the contract re DofF.

You could put in the description and requirements whatever you like.

Discuss targets with head coach, but head coach has final say.
Discusses fees with SB (snake to some) and top fee agreed.
They work as a 3, but CW is the man to sell the club, because by all reports, its what hes good at.

As i have put in a reply ive just put to someone else, in my head it potentially keeps a higher percentage of the fan base happy by neither keeping him as manager or firing him.

I think the club needs a re-set and i have patience to allow it, but im not sure if the finances allow for it or some fans have the patience.

Tricky times to be making the decisions.
The DoF has to have final say on the players we sign with the coach's input. This only work if the team has a style and then all signings and coaches are bought in to fit that style.
 
With the lack of goals at set pieces, why didn't we bring in a set piece coach. We solved our defensive problems with Souttar, why not bring in a specific defensive coach that can solve the post Souttar injury weakness's?
We could have made significant technical improvements anytime throughout the season via specific coaching but the fact we didn't and fell short by 8pts is what needs addressing.
 
With the lack of goals at set pieces, why didn't we bring in a set piece coach. We solved our defensive problems with Souttar, why not bring in a specific defensive coach that can solve the post Souttar injury weakness's?
We could have made significant technical improvements anytime throughout the season via specific coaching but the fact we didn't and fell short by 8pts is what needs addressing.
It seems strange that when Wilder returned he brought Keith Andrew in immediately. He always seemed to play a bit part on the touchline on match days, obviously we didn't see what he did in the week regarding training. Andrew left at the end of the Premier relegation season having been head hunted by Brentford as set piece coach, obviously they rate him. He wasn't replaced like for like instead United promoted internally from the youth set up. So we did have a respected person in that role did we dumb down? Clearly it hasn't worked well this last season. We seemed to get very excited regarding Gus's goal v Bristol City at home in the play off and that was via a deflection. This should be the norm and not a one off. Wilder says it's fine margins that determines outcomes, I think we missed a trick.
 
Trouble is we know the owners have ambition but to what level ?
There's coaches out there available but would they take a "drop of level " to take on what's "a complete change of ethos ? " rebuild project
Couple of come to mind
Dominica todescu
Davide ancelotti

Plus we need a really good sporting director
 
Make Wilde the DofF? Really, so he can offer Brewster a new deal, re-sign McBurnie (rumour)?

Mousset £10mil - left for free
Freeman £6mil - left for free
Robinson £8mil - left for free
McBurnie - £17mil - left for free
Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free
Osborn £3mil - left for free
Cannon £10mil - still here

That's £77mil spent on players, the majority of whom walked for free and the majority of whom couldn't command a regular starting place.

This is the person you want signing players for someone else? This is who you want in charge of the cheque book.

It's easy to argue that he signed Burrows, Cooper etc... but Wilder's track record with big money signings is God awful and costly.

No thanks.
wow when you look at that its frightening

Brewster - £23mil - could walk for free , we can only hope , no stop it now , he did score the wendy winner so i must shut up !!
 
I dunno, I’m quite indifferent on the issue. If the board sees fit to replace Wilder I won’t be staging a car park protest. Conversely, if he’s stay’s…I won’t be staging a car park protest
No but the " one of are own " will☺️
 
I have no problem with Wilder staying maybe change some back room staff especially fitness/ stamina/ scouting and hopefully he’s not too stubborn to learn from last season and we can put teams to bed especially at fortress DTBL here’s hoping
 

I have no problem with Wilder staying maybe change some back room staff especially fitness/ stamina/ scouting and hopefully he’s not too stubborn to learn from last season and we can put teams to bed especially at fortress DTBL here’s hoping
Fully agree, wilder is a good fit give him this season coming and review if its not going well in jan 2026
 

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