New Manager ?

[Houston_Blade]

Just watched that incredible Champion's League final!!!
The article below on the BBC website written pre the final is quire inspiring.
If the owners do sack Wilder, PSG's success may inspire them on the best way to move forward.

PSG v Inter Milan: Can Luis Enrique's PSG young guns land elusive Champions League crown?

Luis Enrique's thrilling young Paris St-Germain side are on the verge of history. Phil McNulty explains how they got there.

www.bbc.co.uk

Whilst I’m glad they did this without the ‘mega stars’ in the team, they still spent over €300m on the squad they fielded in the final. He’s hardly done it on a tight budget.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Whilst I’m glad they did this without the ‘mega stars’ in the team, they still spent over €300m on the squad they fielded in the final. He’s hardly done it on a tight budget.

You’re right. £250m. But when one player can go for over £100m these days it’s not extreme. It’s not much more than 11 Brewsters.

But the style of play

 

[Houston_Blade]

You’re right. £250m. But when one player can go for over £100m these days it’s not extreme. It’s not much more than 11 Brewsters.

But the style of play

It was a great performance and Inter got what they deserved for playing shite football.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Sorry I thought the question was about the style of football.

It was, sorry if not clear. I was trying to say that we seem to play to a rigid - “get a goal, drop deeper, defend and if we nick another on the break, that’s a bonus” tactic. It’s boring and no way to build a squad capable of PL survival.

 

[alcoblade]

So did Ruben Selles, another good young manager who completely outwitted Wilder this season.

Selles has done a decent job in difficult circumstances at Reading & Hull, would definitely be on my list to look at.

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[alcoblade]

He’s had quite a few good years as a coach from a young age. He was sacked by Hull because that’s what they do, nothing to do with being drab. If he’s not for you, fine, but he’s regarded in the way he is for very good reasons. I’d have actually taken him before he went to Hull, having kept an eye on him since he was at Brighton having been so impressed with how he spoke about the game.

But it’s all academic because he’s beyond our current orbit now in any case.

Fair enough. And I'm not saying he's not for me. But there's a tendency in football to put far too much weight on recent events.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Fair enough. And I'm not saying he's not for me. But there's a tendency in football to put far too much weight on recent events.

That’s because they matter the most. Although, of course, it’s important to examine the substance behind them.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

It was, sorry if not clear. I was trying to say that we seem to play to a rigid - “get a goal, drop deeper, defend and if we nick another on the break, that’s a bonus” tactic. It’s boring and no way to build a squad capable of PL survival.

You will never convince some of them on here,they are dyed in the wool Wilder supporters. They cannot forget the great times we had a few years ago,unfortunately those years are long gone and he is no longer that same manager. Some people are happy with the style of football we are playing,I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve been off my seat the last couple of years. As said previously,we should have reset after Hecky and get out of this‘Sheffield United‘style of football,it’s boring and going nowhere.

 

[alcoblade]

That’s because they matter the most. Although, of course, it’s important to examine the substance behind them.

Agreed, but you're generally taking over someone else's work, and haven't had time to really implement your own ways and players - which works both ways.

I suppose it matters less in modern football with the rise of the DOF role.

 

[alcoblade]

You will never convince some of them on here,they are dyed in the wool Wilder supporters. They cannot forget the great times we had a few years ago,unfortunately those years are long gone and he is no longer that same manager. Some people are happy with the style of football we are playing,I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve been off my seat the last couple of years. As said previously,we should have reset after Hecky and get out of this‘Sheffield United‘style of football,it’s boring and going nowhere.

There doesn't seem to be many people at all who're happy with the way we play currently. It's one thing that unites the fans.You can think that and still believe we can do better with the current manager.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

I'd be interested to see what style change Wilder might produce if he's forced into personnel changes in central midfield

The presence of Souza limits us from that perspective

A midfield pair capable of controlling possession would improve us a lot. But I don't know if Wilder even wants to play in that way anymore

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

There doesn't seem to be many people at all who're happy with the way we play currently. It's one thing that unites the fans.You can think that and still believe we can do better with the current manager.

Well that is no coincidence is it. It really is poor fare,yes we reached 90 points,but with that squad we should have romped it,all the higher teams beat us,god knows what would have happened next season. Saying that,we would have seen the new owners vision.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Agreed, but you're generally taking over someone else's work, and haven't had time to really implement your own ways and players - which works both ways.

I suppose it matters less in modern football with the rise of the DOF role.

That’s the main reason for the transition to the DOF model. Allowing one person to dictate everything for too long doesn’t tend to end well. Look at Man Utd post Fergie for the most obvious example, but there are many others. Smart clubs no longer allow that to happen and no longer allow managers that degree of power.

Really, the emotion needs taking out of decision making, and American business people will certainly do that. Where do they want to go and who can get them there?

 

[alcoblade]

Well that is no coincidence is it. It really is poor fare,yes we reached 90 points,but with that squad we should have romped it,all the higher teams beat us,god knows what would have happened next season. Saying that,we would have seen the new owners vision.

I'm not convinced that our squad should have romped it when compared to Leeds or Burnley. But we've been incredibly boring to watch, and they've definitely got the ability to do much better on that measure.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

You will never convince some of them on here,they are dyed in the wool Wilder supporters. They cannot forget the great times we had a few years ago,unfortunately those years are long gone and he is no longer that same manager. Some people are happy with the style of football we are playing,I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve been off my seat the last couple of years. As said previously,we should have reset after Hecky and get out of this‘Sheffield United‘style of football,it’s boring and going nowhere.

Not at all, If the owners want a change of manager nobody would complain. But the majority of us have too much respect for Wilder to be screaming for his head…Simple as that really.

 

[The Crab]

You will never convince some of them on here,they are dyed in the wool Wilder supporters. They cannot forget the great times we had a few years ago,unfortunately those years are long gone and he is no longer that same manager. Some people are happy with the style of football we are playing,I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve been off my seat the last couple of years. As said previously,we should have reset after Hecky and get out of this‘Sheffield United‘style of football,it’s boring and going nowhere.

We’ve always been parochial as a club and fan base, and we always will be

 

[The Crab]

There doesn't seem to be many people at all who're happy with the way we play currently. It's one thing that unites the fans.You can think that and still believe we can do better with the current manager.

Fair points. On the face of it, our points total was impressive. But ultimately we achieved the square route of fuck all. We’re in the same place we’d have been if we got 60 points.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

We’ve always been parochial as a club and fan base, and we always will be

It’s incredible really,yes we are,but go across the City and that lot are totally different. Probably our lack of winning anything in more than a lifetime adds to the pessimism,

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Not at all, If the owners want a change of manager nobody would complain. But the majority of us have too much respect for Wilder to be screaming for his head…Simple as that really.

There would be a few”I’m done “ supporters I’m sure but that happens. He lost a lot of my respect this season with his antics as a manager and leader of a much respected club,a poor example,and that is why many opposition clubs support gives him vitriol.

 

[TJ blade]

Thanks for the intelligent response - well worth it.

Your welcome

 

[Barney Rubble]

That’s the main reason for the transition to the DOF model. Allowing one person to dictate everything for too long doesn’t tend to end well. Look at Man Utd post Fergie for the most obvious example, but there are many others. Smart clubs no longer allow that to happen and no longer allow managers that degree of power.

Really, the emotion needs taking out of decision making, and American business people will certainly do that. Where do they want to go and who can get them there?

I'm not convinced that a DOF model does anything but shift the power away from the manager to the DOF. It seems that a chief scout now determines the purchasing of players and the manager/coach becomes responsible for getting the best out of those signings tactically. This means that the club has to decide which of the two is to blame if you things go wrong. Has a club signed the wrong players or not used them properly?

However, if the club does want to appoint a DOF then I do believe that Wilder is not the man for the manager's role. The organisation and tactical side of things are the weak sides of his game. I don't think he is the best at developing individuals skills either.

 

[luffenhamblade]

It was, sorry if not clear. I was trying to say that we seem to play to a rigid - “get a goal, drop deeper, defend and if we nick another on the break, that’s a bonus” tactic. It’s boring and no way to build a squad capable of PL survival.

Thanks, understand now though don’t agree that it came across as boring either against Bristol City or the first half v Sunderland. Yes we collapsed I. Second half, yes we’re devastated but just don’t agree that it was boring. As for PL survival agree that we would need a seed change in the squad but we wouldn’t have a PL squad in Championship would we, that just doesn’t happen these days.

 

[Th!stledo]

Whilst I’m glad they did this without the ‘mega stars’ in the team, they still spent over €300m on the squad they fielded in the final. He’s hardly done it on a tight budget.

True. £300 million is a lot but not huge in relation to what clubs like Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs have spent?
It was more the mindset I was hoping that might inspire our new owners.

 

[Blade56]

American owners - Jesse Marsch anyone?

Rather have Brad Bobbley

 

[BigBed]

I don't think we need a new manager..... might be that we actually need a better tactician..... I think Knilly has been great as AM, but, since his overlapping centrebacks, and fancy set pieces that actually brought us great success...., well, nothings actually stood out since the return.
So, as a manager Wilder is good at bringing the team together, good at instilling what it means to be a Blade..... but, what do Knilly and Lester offer now??? Is there better available????

 

[MTBlade]

I don't think we need a new manager..... might be that we actually need a better tactician..... I think Knilly has been great as AM, but, since his overlapping centrebacks, and fancy set pieces that actually brought us great success...., well, nothings actually stood out since the return.
So, as a manager Wilder is good at bringing the team together, good at instilling what it means to be a Blade..... but, what do Knilly and Lester offer now??? Is there better available????

Im not sure i have understood your post as its meant.

I have read it, that CW as manager is responsible for telling the players about the club and bringing team spirit, but has no responsibility for how the team play and actually win games?

It sounds like you are describing CW as a DofF and we need a coach with more responsibility.

Like i said, im not sure if that is what you meant, but its how i understood it.

With all the above in mind, could it be an option to make CW DofF (to sell the club) and leave a coach to deal with training and match days.

They work closely, but coach helps identify targets and CW sells the club because he does seem very good at that.

Would this be a option to keep the fan base more together, thus ticking most boxes

 

[Th!stledo]

I don't think we need a new manager..... might be that we actually need a better tactician..... I think Knilly has been great as AM, but, since his overlapping centrebacks, and fancy set pieces that actually brought us great success...., well, nothings actually stood out since the return.
So, as a manager Wilder is good at bringing the team together, good at instilling what it means to be a Blade..... but, what do Knilly and Lester offer now??? Is there better available????

I feel there are are lots of 'pros and cons' about whether to retain Wilder. As fo Knilly, there does seem a lack of ideas regarding set pieces and progression in our approach and style of play. Maybe we do need a younger head with new ideas and the confidence to challenge Wilder and not just be a 'Yes' man.
Not too sure what Lester does, apart for being the muscle to protect Wilder in the dugout from opposing managers he's pissed off?

 

[MayorOJC]

Here's my shortlist for what it's worth:

Wilfried Nancy (Columbus Crew):
Reputation is growing fast at Columbus Crew, where he won the MLS cup and was named coach of the year. I doubt this has gone unnoticed to the Americans.

Liam Rosenior (RC Strasbourg Alsace):
We all know what he's about. Young manager, fresh ideas and not afraid of Yorkshire weather. Will have options and may see a move here as sideways at best.

Rob Edwards (Unattached - last managed Luton Town):
Hot and cold. Luton's promotion was a minor miracle and he had Luton playing much better football than us on a smaller budget. All went horribly wrong last season - however we don't know what went on behind the scenes.

Albert Stuivenberg (Arsenal - Assistant Coach):
Great pedigree from assistant roles at Arsenal and Man Utd. Has had head coach experience, from a successful stint at Genk - but might fancy getting back in the main seat after 6 years at Arsenal.

Danny Röhl (Sheffield Wednesday):
Don't think he'd be that petty, but I'd love the drama.

 

[BigBed]

Im not sure i have understood your post as its meant.

I have read it, that CW as manager is responsible for telling the players about the club and bringing team spirit, but has no responsibility for how the team play and actually win games?

It sounds like you are describing CW as a DofF and we need a coach with more responsibility.

Like i said, im not sure if that is what you meant, but its how i understood it.

With all the above in mind, could it be an option to make CW DofF (to sell the club) and leave a coach to deal with training and match days.

They work closely, but coach helps identify targets and CW sells the club because he does seem very good at that.

Would this be a option to keep the fan base more together, thus ticking most boxes

I'm not sure how you read it bud, but Knilly has always been more of the tactician and dealt with the set pieces etc, he brought in the overlapping centrebacks, the formation that went with it, it was more his brand than Wilders, or that is my understanding of it..... Happy to be corrected though.
And Lester is supposed to be our Attacking coach.....supposed to be anyway, not that our strikers seem to be paying much attention, or something isn't working.

What would make you think we should have a DoF????
And why would you think it should be Wilder??
I'm lost.

 

[Blade56]

We’ve always been parochial as a club and fan base, and we always will be