Absolutely disrespectful

[CornwallBlade]

Please enlighten me.

What exactly did Wilder do yesterday that would warrent a fine?

Don't tell me to watch the televised footage because I have watched it and all that's clear is that he exchanged a few angry words with a couple of Plymouth players. If there's fines getting dished out for that then every manager is gonna get fined every week.

No they're not because they don't act like drunken middle aged clowns giving it up on the pitch

 

[Slugger]

No they're not because they don't act like drunken middle aged clowns giving it up on the pitch

So what exactly did Wilder do yesterday that would warrant him getting a fine?

 

[CornwallBlade]

So what exactly did Wilder do yesterday that would warrant him getting a fine?

Confronted Plymouth players as they walked off the pitch. It wasn’t clear that they were doing anything wrong but even if they were gloating, he shouldn’t get involved. Brewster was giving it to the Wednesday fans in the last derby match he didn’t rebuke him for that

 

[Slugger]

Confronted Plymouth players as they walked off the pitch. It wasn’t clear that they were doing anything wrong but even if they were gloating, he shouldn’t get involved. Brewster was giving it to the Wednesday fans in the last derby match he didn’t rebuke him for that

And in your opinion we should be fined "or maybe even a points deduction" because of that?

Seriously?

 

[Eric_Brooks]

But it is how we play ffs. It is shit absolute garbage. Awful to watch and Wilder has since promotion to the PL just relied on defending !! a sort of northern George Graham without the quality of players Graham had at Arsenal.

That is his undoing. JH, DB and NW would attack teams but CW just wants to win 1-0 each time. Weve lost nearly a quarter of our games. That is very poor for a team going for promotion. At best we should have picked up 3 points in our last three games (3 x 1) not lost them all. Indeed I would argue this is the mot unattractive promotion chasing SUFC side in 60 years. Absolutely awful entertainment.

What makes it worse is that we have some quality players which a lot of those sides didn’t have

 

[Foody]

I know people will be quick to defend Wilder, and I completely get why. We are 3rd in the league and he's obviously done magical things at this club in the past.

The problem though is that behaviourally he has always been questionable. Some of his post match interviews are absolutely embarrassing, they always have been. I never noticed it in league one, but I remember after losing to Norwich thinking his behaviour was an absolute disgrace. I could always forgive that in his first stint, our style of football was exciting and innovative and the results great too. This time round though the style has largely been turgid, we've been average creatively, despite having a serious amount of attacking quality and many, many games have been really dull. So as soon as the results turn, it's understandable that fans are quick to turn, that's all we had.

I'm sure there's fans on here that accept the behaviours and even find it endearing. I don't, the reason our players can't control their behaviour on the pitch is their supposed role model can't control his off it. After the way Hecky handled the ludicrous mismanagement above him, Wilders comments just seem even more petulant and unprofessional.

He's got 6, maybe 7 games left to achieve something. Otherwise it's time to move on.

 

[CornwallBlade]

And in your opinion we should be fined "or maybe even a points deduction" because of that?

Seriously?

When have I ever said we should be fined or deducted points?! My issue is with Wilder and his behaviour. It should be an internal matter but I fear it will also now be a disciplinary matter for the EFL

 

[gordoncharles]

I don't want to be a club with a regular rotation of head coaches though. I like having a Blade at the helm.

I understand why lots of fans, not just ours, like the idea of "one-of-our-own" (although that chant is a bit cringey to me) but is it really helpful?

Let's take the example of Athletic Bilbao. They have this very proud tradition of only allowing Basques to play for them. They've had to stretch the definition somewhat in order to remain competitive but they still stick to it.

But, in all that time they've never insisted on their manager being Basque. There's been many Basques but they've also had the likes of Heynckes and Bielsa. They even employed Howard Kendall. Cheers.

Anyway, the point is, if they have this fairly rigid tradition to severely limit their player pool, why is it that don't they extend that to the manager?

 

[Slugger]

When have I ever said we should be fined or deducted points?! My issue is with Wilder and his behaviour. It should be an internal matter but I fear it will also now be a disciplinary matter for the EFL

My mistake. It was another poster who said "After yesterday how much will the next fine be or maybe even a points deduction for continuous "unprofessional behaviour"?"

My question still remains though. What exactly did Wilder do that makes you fear that "it will also now be a disciplinary matter for the EFL"??

 

[FTPE]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

I'm so glad I found this comment/thread, and I'm so glad it has so many positive reactions to it. I started to feel like the minority.
Get behind um boys. It ain't over

 

[Tom Bott]

Weve lost nearly a quarter of our games. That is very poor for a team going for promotion.

That's one way of looking at it.

The other being that we have won more games than any other club.

 

[FTPE]

That's one way of looking at it.

The other being that we have won more games than any other club.

Just depends on the type of person or fan you are doesn't it? I'm a glass half full kinda guy, and I'm proud of our season so far. Equally infuriating by the last 3 but proud in general.

 

[Back post bob]

Putting aside Wilders of field behaviour and I can understand changing the team on Saturday after two defeats what made him select that line up.To play the tactics we employ,The amount of times our full backs went for the overlap and then not receive the ball is baffling. Then when we get in a good position to cross Cannon is missing in action and only COH is there to win the ball in the air.With regards to his substitutions to see out a game shocking.

 

[Grey Blade]

My mistake. It was another poster who said "After yesterday how much will the next fine be or maybe even a points deduction for continuous "unprofessional behaviour"?"

My question still remains though. What exactly did Wilder do that makes you fear that "it will also now be a disciplinary matter for the EFL"??

Basically it's trial by social media. People repeat things that someone else has written - at worst made up, better misinterpreted or possibly exaggerated.
With constant repetition it turns into fact eventually.
CW doesn't help himself though

 

[The Bear]

That's one way of looking at it.

The other being that we have won more games than any other club.

Weve lost more games than Leeds and Burnley combined.

 

[Tazzy]

I was in the not wilder again camp ,But hands up he's done a tremendous job this season after last years shite. But his failings' off the field are embarrassing at any level he needs to get back to coaching and leave the celebration to the fans not out singing and pissed up .If we do go down a new manager route cooper for me needs to be installed and get us playing with some kind of formation because i have no clue what we are trying to achieve on the pitch, At times its painful to watch even if we are scraping the wins

 

[Tom Bott]

Weve lost more games than Leeds and Burnley combined.

We've drawn half the games that they each have.

 

[Grappler]

Maybe managers of lower teams, not necessarily worse managers. I doubt Watford and Middlesbrough are crying out for Wilder back, in fact I doubt there is any other team in this division that would want him in charge, and certainly not anyone in the Premier League.

Nobody is denying the first spell was magical, but since the end of that he's done nothing to warrant this job. He would never have got it if he hadn't been Chris Wilder. Football has progressed in recent years, past the let's get pissed and sing about opposition managers bollox.

The tactics, poor substitutions, poor purchases and determination to prove players like Cannon and JLT should play when it's obvious they shouldn't. Soutter only came in when he got injured. He was captain up until then. I also really dislike the necessity to blame others. It wasn't the tactics that were the problem against Hull, it was the players. Seriously?
I don't think the signings in January improved the starting 11, improved the squad and bench certainly, but they're not Premier League players.
I certainly hope the reports that we have agreements to buy BBD and Choudhury at inflated prices aren't correct.

I obviously hope we get promoted, that always has to be the aim, but I do fear even with investment, next year would be horrendous, probably worse than last year and Wilder certainly isn't the manager to alter that outcome. The PL has moved on again. Wolves are 4th bottom with some fantastic players, way better than anything we have or could afford.

"...Wolves are 4th bottom with some fantastic players...."

Spot on, mate. From what I have seen of Wolves this season (only on TV, of course), especially since Christmas, they would not only batter us, but would batter Burnley and Leeds as well.

That's the gulf, right there, fourth from bottom of the PL are way better than the three teams coming up.

 

[CornwallBlade]

My mistake. It was another poster who said "After yesterday how much will the next fine be or maybe even a points deduction for continuous "unprofessional behaviour"?"

My question still remains though. What exactly did Wilder do that makes you fear that "it will also now be a disciplinary matter for the EFL"??

Mate, its all about opinions. Inciting a brawl in the tunnel through an on field confrontation? You could argue that it was all handbags but precedent suggests they’ll make a meal of it. Fines? touchline bans? Who knows? We’ll see…….and it may all blow over. For me, it was just stupid and classless. He’s filmed drinking and taking the piss out of Rohl, Brewster giving it large in front of the Wednesday fans, so he should shut up and suck it up

 

[brownblade]

I understand why lots of fans, not just ours, like the idea of "one-of-our-own" (although that chant is a bit cringey to me) but is it really helpful?

Let's take the example of Athletic Bilbao. They have this very proud tradition of only allowing Basques to play for them. They've had to stretch the definition somewhat in order to remain competitive but they still stick to it.

But, in all that time they've never insisted on their manager being Basque. There's been many Basques but they've also had the likes of Heynckes and Bielsa. They even employed Howard Kendall. Cheers.

Anyway, the point is, if they have this fairly rigid tradition to severely limit their player pool, why is it that don't they extend that to the manager?

Yep interesting discussion. I think I'd like to avoid manager churn which might not yield any results for years, if ever. So many teams do nothing of interest and keep hiring and firing - it looks depressing from the outside.

I was similarly content with Hecky being pretty safe hands and a nice guy. He wasn't a Blade.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

He can have more respect when he stops calling me a 'punter'

Spelling has never been his strongpoint

 

[wak1889]

Weve lost more games than Leeds and Burnley combined.

We've lost more games in a week than Burnley have lost all season, which is the reason why they will win the league

 

[Tom Bott]

We've lost more games in a week than Burnley have lost all season, which is the reason why they will win the league

Which team has won most games in the championship though ?

Many Wilder critics say that our wins are boring.

Would they be more content watching Burnley's 16 draws or Leeds 13 ?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Which team has won most games in the championship though ?

Many Wilder critics say that our wins are boring.

Would they be more content watching Burnley's 16 draws or Leeds 13 ?

Having watched every Blades match this season but also quite a bit of both Burnley & Leeds I would prefer watching Leeds’s style of play out of the 3. They have been the least tedious.

 

[ATL Recs]

Which team has won most games in the championship though ?

Many Wilder critics say that our wins are boring.

Would they be more content watching Burnley's 16 draws or Leeds 13 ?

They are boring and today was another addition

 

[Striker]

Read the posts, it's not just to do with thr recent results. It's the poor team selections, poor subs, only having one formation and set of tactics, no plan B, players not lasting 60 minutes all season, Wilder taking plaudits when we win then skulking away of having a go at others instead of accepting blame, constant square pegs in round holes, playing Robinson after his recent costly errors, relying solely on luck, grinding out undeserved results, only putting in 5 good 90 minute performances in 42 matches.

It's more than just the last 3 results. Many of these complaints have been made and highlighted all season, but those that did got shot down by the "results matter, not performances" brigade. Now that we're not winning anymore others are starting to see what others have been saying all season.

Wilder is not Sheffield United. He's far from the manager who took over 9 years ago. He's become predictable, stale and negative.

Yes, he's done well to get us up as high as he has, but the argument will always be if he got a consistent tune out of these players, would we be better off. The answer is yes.

No one is willing us to lose. No one is wanting Wilder to fail. But many can see past the red and white biase. Wilder has run out of ideas and it's become obvious when the managers of Oxford, Milwall and now bottom of the table Plymouth have outdone him tactically and Wilder hasn't had a clue what to do midgame to change things. His comments post Oxford ignored the fuse for many.

This "No plan B" crap is the most boring, senseless, tripe spouted by our so called fans.
Under CW we've changed shape, tactics, personnel, etc many, many, times.

It's everyone's right to have opinions but this continual repetitive statement reeks of people repeating crap because they think it sounds knowledgeable. In truth it's just uninformed drivel.

 

[JJBlade]

I think these are all valid points mate, and I certainly don’t like the slagging off he gets but do think he’s taken us as far as he can.

He’s been backed well and has some good players at his disposal. We should be better than we are. We have enough attacking players to attack and be creative, but we aren’t and we don’t. We have no Plan B and continue to persevere with players we shouldn’t. Each those things are on the manager, and IMO each of those reasons are we we’ve been consistently uninspiring… and ultimately why we are where we are

Dave Bassett once said losing becomes a habit and so does winning,
That was after we'd gone 17 games without a win.

A certain number of lower level teams in this division should have been put to the sword. That builds confidence, and improves performances and belief and winning and winning well becomes a habit.
But it's always the same here, the bare minimum is good enough for shitty old us, every performance is the bare minimum requirement.

And people defending the manager can say what they like, 28000 people do not sit there in TOTAL SILENCE for no reason, they are one of the 28,000 in total silence so they already know deep down, but they'll argue the toss anyway.

Leeds and Burnley set off in August with one thing in mind.......WIN THE LEAGUE, not "let's aim for second", "let's aim for the play offs", "let's aim to finish as high as we can".
Let's win this fucking League. A mentality that we've never had.

This "We've done ever so well considering" bollocks has to stop. It is the reason why if the game is absolutely vital in either a promotion or relegation season, we will lose it. That get out of jail "We've done ever so well considering" card can always be played

 

[Tom Bott]

Leeds and Burnley set off in August with one thing in mind.......WIN THE LEAGUE, not "let's aim for second", "let's aim for the play offs", "let's aim to finish as high as we can".
Let's win this fucking League. A mentality that we've never had.

What our club needs is an inspirational leader.

Chansiri for example has stated that he only ever looks at 'top two'.

I don't think many teams set off in August with the aim of finishing like Luton or Cardiff.

 

[wak1889]

Which team has won most games in the championship though ?

Many Wilder critics say that our wins are boring.

Would they be more content watching Burnley's 16 draws or Leeds 13 ?

I reckon if u asked either Leeds or Burnleys fans and owners would they swap places with us because we won more they would politely decline

 

[Tom Bott]

I reckon if u asked either Leeds or Burnleys fans and owners would they swap places with us because we won more they would politely decline

So the end result is all that counts, not how exciting the games are perceived to be ?