Absolutely disrespectful

[sheepbridge]

The thing is we aren't making that many good chances Cannon had eleven touches in 70mins. We scored with the first shot of the game on 44mins against bottom of the league. You can't play defensive all the time waiting for one of the better players to produce a bit of magic. I don't think there is a Unitedite in Sheffield who has a clue what team tactics he is playing or trying to play, Pashun only gets you so far, I said it the other week he's been found out by lower Championship managers.

Maybe managers of lower teams, not necessarily worse managers. I doubt Watford and Middlesbrough are crying out for Wilder back, in fact I doubt there is any other team in this division that would want him in charge, and certainly not anyone in the Premier League.

Nobody is denying the first spell was magical, but since the end of that he's done nothing to warrant this job. He would never have got it if he hadn't been Chris Wilder. Football has progressed in recent years, past the let's get pissed and sing about opposition managers bollox.

The tactics, poor substitutions, poor purchases and determination to prove players like Cannon and JLT should play when it's obvious they shouldn't. Soutter only came in when he got injured. He was captain up until then. I also really dislike the necessity to blame others. It wasn't the tactics that were the problem against Hull, it was the players. Seriously?
I don't think the signings in January improved the starting 11, improved the squad and bench certainly, but they're not Premier League players.
I certainly hope the reports that we have agreements to buy BBD and Choudhury at inflated prices aren't correct.

I obviously hope we get promoted, that always has to be the aim, but I do fear even with investment, next year would be horrendous, probably worse than last year and Wilder certainly isn't the manager to alter that outcome. The PL has moved on again. Wolves are 4th bottom with some fantastic players, way better than anything we have or could afford.

 

[Kona]

Attitudes change so quickly, a couple of weeks ago we beat one of the current best teams with a very good display against Coventry, everyone was upbeat and saying we're on for top two, no criticism of wilder, now?
Yes unbelievably disappointing but let's have some balance, if, yes a big if we win promotion via the plays offs, Wilder will no doubt go down as one of our best ever managers.

In fairness mate, I think quite a few have had concerns for some time, perhaps even the most of the seasons, but have been shot down by those who focused mainly on results or have been accused of just waiting to moan.

Neither are true, certainly in my case, I want us to win and be successful, but I also have been concerned about the long term future. We haven’t been convincing for the majority of our wins and we struggle against the better teams, which doesn’t bode well, if we were to be promoted.

That hasn’t changed, even when the team should have settled.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I'm glad you gave this an airing because it seems to have been forgotten. We improved a little going forward when he took over but, if anything, we were even worse defensively.

Until i got fed up of saying it due to repetition and just plain old lack of interest, any other board would have sacked him well before the season's end and brought in any one of an army of European coaches who would have at least attempted to save us from the ritual disembowelings and may have made us appear to be a top flight football team instead of a group of lads on tour.

Yes, this season has seen us get good results and compete at the top so that we've forgotten that we're headed for another lengthy repeat of recent humilations, but recent events seem to have taken care of that.

He now has a handful of games to save the season, which if achieved will be fun, but if somehow we go up I'll crawl under a tarpaulin for 9 months because I would fear the worst.

I also think some of the animosity now towards him is the residue of the debacle of his previous exit which is still a cankerous sore that has only just been banged on the door frame.

We need a reset. Apart from the short, failed Jovanovic experiment we've had 10 years of pretty much the same and it's gone stale.

Some of his tactical faux pas last season (Villa at home for example) are suddenly resurfacing in my memory. The fact he couldn't get the same tunes out of the players as Hecky, I put down to the players giving up, but now it seems it could have been a lack of scheming and tactical nous which is reappearing. Certainly if Alex Neil is out-scheming us and we cant score more than one in three pretty easy games, then we have bigger issues.....

 

[paidsy]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

Wilder disrespects people, including his own fanbase, on the regular.

 

[Slug]

I've been mulling over a response to this, and this is my take. Chris Wilder, at his best, is one of the finest managers this club has ever had. He is a Blade in heart and soul, and through him, we have had some of the best times in living memory at this club. I did not want him back, but gave him time and support as a Blade and our manager. I cut him some slack earlier in the season as, a not many really on here have acknowledged (which is a shame, as grief should be recognised), he has had to deal with enormous sadness and personal grief over the loss of George Baldock. It has not been an easy time for him, or for any of the players who knew George. It's clear this means a lot of them and the club. The takeover saga cannot have helped either and his stewardship through that time was exemplary.

Despite the tragedy of the early part of the season, the football has been dire. It has been turgid stuff and although we sit comfortably in third place, there is very little suggestion that we could compete in the Premier League and every suggestion that we would repeat the disastrous last season in the top flight. It sounds awfully entitled as there are 21 other teams who I'm sure would love to swap places with us, but we've not looked good all season and despite the Sheffield bragging rights being won and a couple of glorious victories, his weaknesses as a tactician have been clear to all. The mad purchase of Cannon, the reluctance (balls) to drop the awful Robinson for Holding and today, the disgraceful tunnel fracas only reinforce the need for a clean break and something new. We need a new professional approach and one which will get the best out of this immensely talented squad. Thank you for everything Chris, but it's time for a long-term plan for success and some dynamism to achieve it.

You have absolutely nailed it there mate and articulated it far better than I could.

Wilder has been brilliant for us on the whole but is showing the same traits now as he did towards the end of his last stint.

 

[Bladesince59]

He's not up to it.

 

[jono_t2000]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

There's never any need for name calling or personal abuse.

However that does not mean he's above any criticism.

As I've said many times before in my opinion he's a very very good man manager and getting players to raise their levels to get wins even when playing poorly.

However he's (again in my opinion) a poor tactical manager.

Now the issue with being a great man manager but not tactically good means it has a short shelf life, eventually players stop reacting and revert to norm.

I've not seen anything from Wilder to change my mind in that opinion.. (playing players in wrong position, chucking subs on as a hail mary, no plan B, failing to see when things aren't working early enough).. I could go on

I can't see that changing.

 

[Matlock Blade]

He didn't sign the players. He's been given the chance to manage the best squad of players in the league and has got them to 3rd or 4th place in the league.

How dare you have a go at us genuine fans for questioning Wilders tactics? Under a decent manager we would probably be running away with this league.

I have bought into this idea of having to stick with a manager just because he's a fan of our club. The new owners are going to have to pay him a huge payoff in a few months. I hope they do it now so we have a chance in the playoffs.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

When it comes to managers and players I’m very balanced. I’ll give credit and criticism where it’s due. Like Wilder said they win as a team and lose as a team. That’s the way it should always be. If they’re together then it’s shared responsibility but if you asked me to portion it out….

The bulk of the responsibility for the last three performances rest with the players in my view. The manager always has to take some blame, he picks the team (and I disagreed with a couple of his selections today), but he can’t make players perform…who by the way have performed all season and he should be able to trust their performance levels at this point.

Too many poor individual performances have cost us dear this week. It’s always far too easy to go directly to the manager because people need a scapegoat. A couple of weeks ago the same people who tell me he now needs to go were telling me “he’s performed a miracle from where we were.”

Like I said though, I’m balanced and if supporters were berating the players at Oxford he’s right, absolute joke. Prior to that game you could barely fault them and they need backing when they have a bad game. Three bad games on the bounce against mediocre opposition is different. If the supporters had piled on them at Plymouth I could half understand…even though it won’t help anyone.

 

[Half Bond Jls]

I ain’t crying pal I’ll still be supporting when that fraudster has gone

Jeez. We're all raw but come on fraudster really ?

 

[CornwallBlade]

Chris Wilder has been an incredible breath of fresh air for this club since the first and second time he took over

In my opinion he's a better manager than he was a player and he was a bloody good right back, entrusted by Sir Harry himself.
Like us,he bleeds red and white.

Imagine how you'd feel tonight if you were the manager and you'd lost three winnable games on the trot.

At 82 mins or whatever today when he made substitutions you'd expect the players he brought on to be professional enough to see the game out.
The amount of shots and possession we had against Millwall you'd expect us to win.

The manager sends the team out with a plan,if they can't carry it out its not always on the manager no matter how good you are at FIFA or whatever and think it's his fault.
I'm probably not the only one feeling his pain tonight.
If you saw Longhorn, Guthrie,Ludlam who were all on a par with Hammond you'd appreciate the work and love Wilder has put into the club.

My name isn't Wit and i'm not a happy clapper.
I am sad,but not distraught like the entitled few that we're not going up automatically. Wilder has got us in the play offs which is more than I expected at the end of last season
After 53 years of watching the Blades this has been a bloody good season.

It was 68 minutes when, yet again, he decided to try and see out a 1-0 against the bottom team in the league, the team with the worst defensive record. Bring on Kieffer fucking Moore and adopt a sit back and lump it long approach rather than bring on Campbell - sorry but you’re talking nonsense

 

[CornwallBlade]

Some of his tactical faux pas last season (Villa at home for example) are suddenly resurfacing in my memory. The fact he couldn't get the same tunes out of the players as Hecky, I put down to the players giving up, but now it seems it could have been a lack of scheming and tactical nous which is reappearing. Certainly if Alex Neil is out-scheming us and we cant score more than one in three pretty easy games, then we have bigger issues.....

Players are human beings. Take a talented person, put them in a role they aren’t suited to, make them behave in a style contrary to their strengths and they will lose heart and motivation. It is down to Wilder, get a good manager in and this squad will fly

 

[Lane Ender]

Jeez. We're all raw but come on fraudster really ?

He wormed his way back in with the prince then did nothing he then had probably had the biggest budget in this league and what did we get a season where apart from a handful of games we have ground out results dishing up garbage sorry he’s clueless

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

I'm glad you gave this an airing because it seems to have been forgotten. We improved a little going forward when he took over but, if anything, we were even worse defensively.

Until i got fed up of saying it due to repetition and just plain old lack of interest, any other board would have sacked him well before the season's end and brought in any one of an army of European coaches who would have at least attempted to save us from the ritual disembowelings and may have made us appear to be a top flight football team instead of a group of lads on tour.

Yes, this season has seen us get good results and compete at the top so that we've forgotten that we're headed for another lengthy repeat of recent humilations, but recent events seem to have taken care of that.

He now has a handful of games to save the season, which if achieved will be fun, but if somehow we go up I'll crawl under a tarpaulin for 9 months because I would fear the worst.

I also think some of the animosity now towards him is the residue of the debacle of his previous exit which is still a cankerous sore that has only just been banged on the door frame.

We need a reset. Apart from the short, failed Jovanovic experiment we've had 10 years of pretty much the same and it's gone stale.

Brilliant post GC. Sums it up really well. He needs to go and we need a reset.
I love the idea of crawling under a tarpaulin for 9 months if we do get over the line!

 

[Kenilworth]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

^^^^^^^^^
This. Fucking this.
Rest of yer a set of bed wetting nappy merchants.

You entitled set of cock ends.

 

[Bradfordblade]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

Totally get this, I said in another thread that I have backed Wilder this season for all of the reasons William mentions. I wouldn't still want Wilder out but this last week has bothered me. Not just the reaults but the performances and Chris' decisions and demeanour. He seems to have lost his cool and clarity of thinking just when he needed it he most. Team selections and substitutions made have been questionable for longer. I agree Wilder is a legend and it is easy to forget where we were in 2016 and a year ago.

 

[brownblade]

As a happy-clapper-for-my-own-sanity, even I'm fucked off with our shit performances and chucking away a very hard earned promotion. Lads fought for it all season then absolutely fucked it. Can't help but think team selection and lack of defined attacking patterns are to blame.

I don't want to be a club with a regular rotation of head coaches though. I like having a Blade at the helm.

 

[Blade56]

. I like having a Blade at the helm.

Agree with you except for this ^^^^^^^

It brings different pressures into p,ay for manager and fans.

Doctors can’t treat their own relatives, police can’t investigate their own relatives etc because they are bias and emotionally involve which blurs clear thought and objectivity.

 

[Englebert Wincobank]

Life, post-Wilder would be very different that's for sure. It's coming up nine years since Adkins left, and I'm used to having a manager who clearly cares about the club. Not necessarily a born-Blade but someone with a connection with fans like Bassett & in a slightly different way, Warnock.

Wilder gets berated for his heart on his sleeve approach but us Blades don't like managers that stand on the touchline, arms folded and go through the motions in interviews when things haven't gone well.

Slav was a massive switch off for me after the novelty of having a foreign coach quickly wore off and the prospect of turning up in August with Russell Martin, Gary O'Neill or Cheeseman from Dad's Army in charge I don't find appealing.

I'm getting Steve Bruce, Robson flashbacks.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

 

[Yoonited]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

Wilder has created the negativity with his torrid football.
You're only ever as good as your last game.
I didn't buy a season ticket,unconvinced his reappointment made any sense after last time.Instead I thought I'd wait and see how exciting and entertaining his team might be.
I'd argue he doesn't know his best team,has no system,is defensive tactically and personally, and in-game management poor at best.
What's left to admireI really don't know.
As for the spat at the end of today's game
Classless mardy arse stuck in the past.
We're not getting to Wembley,never mind promotion is my prediction.
A blessing in disguise.
I work very hard for my money and refuse to waste it on blind faith.
Granted we've had some awful football and clueless managers in my time
None as pigheaded as him.
And he's meant to be one of us.Seriously.
As for captain dipstick,don't get me started. Couldn't lead a dog round the park.
Carlisle United will be looking for a new manager next season Chris.Great fit for you and the dipstick.So long.

 

[Slim Man]

He can have more respect when he stops calling me a 'punter'

Shut up, punter.

 

[Slim Man]

All of these threads about Wilder is absolutely fucking disrespectful, i’m sorry but it is.

You do realise how much of a mess we were in at the end of last season don’t you? Wilder completely changed the team around and to get us where we are at this stage of the season I think to get 85 points (not including the -2) after 42 games is unbelievable with a completely revamped squad. Not to mention we did the double over the pigs. Absolutely every Blade would have snatched my hand off if I said this is where we will be in April at the start of the season.

All of you lot saying you want him out and the names i’ve seen Wilder being called on social media is a absolute joke some of you should be ashamed. He’s literally a club legend in my opinion.

Just because we have lost 3 in a row everyone’s spitting their dummy out, seriously?

If we beat Burnley away and they fuck up again then we can still get in the top 2, and we have the play-offs which I know we have terrible luck on but there’s still a chance.

Let’s get behind Wilder and the lads now, fucking come on guys we don’t need this negativity around Wilder. Please leave the Wilder out conversations until the season is over. Everyone is frustrated but we just need to hang in there.

UTB.

(Again this is just my opinion, you can choose whether to agree with it or not, i’m not here to create an argument.)

I'll tell you what, how's about he just sticks to creating an attractive brand of football?

 

[brownblade]

Agree with you except for this ^^^^^^^

It brings different pressures into p,ay for manager and fans.

Doctors can’t treat their own relatives, police can’t investigate their own relatives etc because they are bias and emotionally involve which blurs clear thought and objectivity.

Interesting point. Though if doctors treated relatives I'd assume they'd get the best possible treatment... Which is kind of my thinking, I guess?

 

[William Carey]

The best players in our team were signed by Hecky

O’Hare, JRS, Souttar, Campbell, Moore, Cooper and he gave Peck a chance, don’t think that’s down to hecky.

Hamer Souza and Anel is all Hecky but 3 players don’t make up a team. My point was that Wilder turned the squad around and you can’t disagree with that, look at how many new players came into the group

 

[Kev Gee]

The bloke has brouht it upon himself........


Calling the fans a disgrace etc.............

 

[ghandi]

Maybe managers of lower teams, not necessarily worse managers. I doubt Watford and Middlesbrough are crying out for Wilder back, in fact I doubt there is any other team in this division that would want him in charge, and certainly not anyone in the Premier League.

Nobody is denying the first spell was magical, but since the end of that he's done nothing to warrant this job. He would never have got it if he hadn't been Chris Wilder. Football has progressed in recent years, past the let's get pissed and sing about opposition managers bollox.

The tactics, poor substitutions, poor purchases and determination to prove players like Cannon and JLT should play when it's obvious they shouldn't. Soutter only came in when he got injured. He was captain up until then. I also really dislike the necessity to blame others. It wasn't the tactics that were the problem against Hull, it was the players. Seriously?
I don't think the signings in January improved the starting 11, improved the squad and bench certainly, but they're not Premier League players.
I certainly hope the reports that we have agreements to buy BBD and Choudhury at inflated prices aren't correct.

I obviously hope we get promoted, that always has to be the aim, but I do fear even with investment, next year would be horrendous, probably worse than last year and Wilder certainly isn't the manager to alter that outcome. The PL has moved on again. Wolves are 4th bottom with some fantastic players, way better than anything we have or could afford.

Absolutely spot on

 

[ghandi]

In fairness mate, I think quite a few have had concerns for some time, perhaps even the most of the seasons, but have been shot down by those who focused mainly on results or have been accused of just waiting to moan.

Neither are true, certainly in my case, I want us to win and be successful, but I also have been concerned about the long term future. We haven’t been convincing for the majority of our wins and we struggle against the better teams, which doesn’t bode well, if we were to be promoted.

That hasn’t changed, even when the team should have settled.

Agreed but now losing to even poorer teams.He's now being found out.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

At last some sense

..... and God awful typos thanks to autocorrect!

 

[ghandi]

O’Hare, JRS, Souttar, Campbell, Moore, Cooper and he gave Peck a chance, don’t think that’s down to hecky.

Hamer Souza and Anel is all Hecky but 3 players don’t make up a team. My point was that Wilder turned the squad around and you can’t disagree with that, look at how many new players came into the group

Serious question do you think Wilder is responsible for this week's total capitulation?