Brewster

[Keen Blade]

Can blame Wilder all we want for spending what he did to bring Rhian in. I don't remember a single Sheffield United fan in 2020 that wasn't buzzing to break our transfer record and bring in one of the hottest striking prospects in the country

Fans trust club to make decisions SHOCK

 

[thehet]

Heard during the Ipswich game tonight that they paid 20mill for Delap. Looks a bargain to me. Brewdog couldn’t clean his boots.

 

[Nagima]

I didn’t say you had, Christ can’t anyone on here understand context?
If his input was just to sign it off where’s the blame? Wilder wanted RB and the others, PA must surely have okayed the deals and didn’t we have Carl Schieber involved on the football side. SB may have overseen the paperwork but the selection of those players wouldn’t be anything to do with Snek. He’s a finance/admin guy, not a director of football.

Leave off on the profanity it's not appreciated.

 

[Nagima]

You’ve said the player bears some of the responsibility and then gone on to demonstrate exactly why it’s wholly on the club. Where was the due diligence?

But taking the thread as a whole I do get that angry cretins (not you) feel the need to lash out at a player for things that are outside of his control.

He’s basically here because Wilder stamped his feet until he got him and that piece of business, combined with the massive loss of budgeted for TV money as a result of Covid, set us back years & directly resulted in last season.

I try to give reasoning behind my views but with people responding

 

[djbaldken]

The time for recriminations should be over now.

The manager made a bad judgement on an expensive young prospect. He was described as "one for the future".
The Prince should never have sanctioned it - we have never been a rich enough club to spend that kind of cash on a player incapable of going straight into the first team - madness took hold.
Then the injuries.
Then the dawning realisation that we'd been sold a pup.
It's all history now.
It can't be undone.
Like Covid , like losing JoC , we are where we are.

We can't get rid of him early , as some suggest.
Neither contractually nor with our current injuries/thin squad.
All we can do is make what use of him we can , until his contract expires , which is what CW is doing.
And trust in the new owners to let him go , when it does.

I say the owners , not CW , because, for obvious reasons , CW can't make any public comment - and so no one knows what his view is.
He might be daft enough to want to renew him.

But I trust the owners to look at the 5 years , count the periods of injury , count the goals scored and politely decline.

Excellent assessment.

 

[djbaldken]

My point being that despite playing g poorly yesterday, Hamer and Moore have more of a free ride, not comparing what all three players did offer.

The point is:
in the above statement you're judging Hamer and Moore on one game where they both were lacking. Hamer has, since he's been here, proved to be a quality player who has more than proved his worth to the team. Moore, whilst not yet being as prolific as we'd like, still has scored more in half a season than Brewster has in nearly five season's. Both these have received criticism for their performance yesterday. Neither got a free ride for boxing days match.
Brewster has been, for whatever reasons, consistently poor throughout his time here. Boxing day highlighted just how poor . Nobody is piling on him, they are just stating the obvious.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Crazy. Be like starting with 10 men.

But then you have the option of taking him off later, rather than bringing him on out of position and making the team worse.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Fans trust club to make decisions SHOCK

Often thought I'd love to start a thread copying some of the posts what many Blades made just before the Brewster transfer.

Remember loads of comments like

"There's no way we'll be buying Brewster because we're not ambitious enough"
"This deal has been going on too long, just pay him what ever he wants, £40K a week is the going rate these days, stop being tight"
"On the Liverpool forum they all say he's the new Michael Owen and they don't want to sell him".

"Stop messing about, just pay the £25 million because it will be a bargain as he's likely to be partnering Harry Kane for England
and be easily worth £50 million in a few years, so we'll have doubled our money"

Another comment was
"He's the hottest young talent in English football, still can't believe United are showing this amount of ambition"
"It will be a statement signing, showing we mean business".
Then you had plenty of comments "Bet we don't sign him, United always lack ambition, we'll miss out and the Prince will say at least we tried"

Wouldn't surprise if the fans slagging off the Brewster signing were the most vocal ones insisting we must sign him at any price.

 

[FTPE]

Heard during the Ipswich game tonight that they paid 20mill for Delap. Looks a bargain to me. Brewdog couldn’t clean his boots.

Viktor Gyökeres went to sporting for £24m. I thought we might have gone in for him.
They're now asking for bids around £70m!

 

[Sithblade]

Often thought I'd love to start a thread copying some of the posts what many Blades made just before the Brewster transfer.

Remember loads of comments like

"There's no way we'll be buying Brewster because we're not ambitious enough"
"This deal has been going on too long, just pay him what ever he wants, £40K a week is the going rate these days, stop being tight"
"On the Liverpool forum they all say he's the new Michael Owen and they don't want to sell him".

"Stop messing about, just pay the £25 million because it will be a bargain as he's likely to be partnering Harry Kane for England
and be easily worth £50 million in a few years, so we'll have doubled our money"

Another comment was
"He's the hottest young talent in English football, still can't believe United are showing this amount of ambition"
"It will be a statement signing, showing we mean business".
Then you had plenty of comments "Bet we don't sign him, United always lack ambition, we'll miss out and the Prince will say at least we tried"

Wouldn't surprise if the fans slagging off the Brewster signing were the most vocal ones insisting we must sign him at any price.

Brewster has turned out to be a flop, but Wilder's other first choice targets that summer were Antonee Robinson, who is now one of the best LB/LWBs in the PL. Then Matty Cash who's now with a team playing in the Champions League.

We were eventually gazumped by wealthier teams for both of them and Ollie Watkins, after a decent season in the Championship seemed too much for 30 million.

We've sold Ndiaye and Osula who both cost us next to nothing for just a bit more than Brewster, so swings and roundabouts.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Brewster, McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson, Freeman, Lowe...£46m of outlay for nothing in return.

Include the £5m or so loss on Berge and that's a £50m hole.

We really did make a hash of the contracts and transfers around that first Wilder Prem season

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Brewster, McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson, Freeman, Lowe...£46m of outlay for nothing in return.

Include the £5m or so loss on Berge and that's a £50m hole.

We really did make a hash of the contracts and transfers around that first Wilder Prem season

You're talking bollocks re McBurnie and Mousset they contributed to our 9th place finish 1st season

 

[LudlamBlade]

You're talking bollocks re McBurnie and Mousset they contributed to our 9th place finish 1st season

Oh yeah absolutely, I agree. But we still lost both of them on frees, so didn't recoup any of the outlay.

Please enlighten me as to which part of this is "bollocks", as you so eloquently put it?

 

[crazyblade1889]

Brewster has turned out to be a flop, but Wilder's other first choice targets that summer were Antonee Robinson, who is now one of the best LB/LWBs in the PL. Then Matty Cash who's now with a team playing in the Champions League.

We were eventually gazumped by wealthier teams for both of them and Ollie Watkins, after a decent season in the Championship seemed too much for 30 million.

We've sold Ndiaye and Osula who both cost us next to nothing for just a bit more than Brewster, so swings and roundabouts.

We can all target youngsters who are hot property. Cash and Watkins were wanting serious fees and wages as they came with high pedigree. There were a lot cheaper players than those mentioned available that have gone on to have distinguished premier league careers that Wilder wasn’t interested in.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Oh yeah absolutely, I agree. But we still lost both of them on frees, so didn't recoup any of the outlay.

Please enlighten me as to which part of this is "bollocks", as you so eloquently put it?

The bit you said 46 million outlay with "nothing" in return

 

[crazyblade1889]

You're talking bollocks re McBurnie and Mousset they contributed to our 9th place finish 1st season

Mousett cost 10 million. Scored 9 goals and left on a free. How is that good business?
Mcburnie is debatable as he at least contributed to getting us back up

 

[LudlamBlade]

The bit you said 46 million outlay with "nothing" in return

Ok fair point, allow me to rephrase...

£46m outlay with absolutely no financial return whatsoever on the respective transfers of each player.

If you bought a car to get you to work, and it got you to work for 3 years...you'd still hope to sell it for something...you wouldn't just give it away to a competitor and say "oh well, at least it got me to work for 3 years"

I don't dispute that McB and Mousset contributed, but when we could have sold either of them at different points...and ended up getting nothing in return (financially)...then it's got to go down as a cock up on our part.

Losses like that are fine enough for a Liverpool or a Chelsea, but we're not big enough to sustain those kinds of losses on a regular basis

 

[Nagima]

Ok fair point, allow me to rephrase...

£46m outlay with absolutely no financial return whatsoever on the respective transfers of each player.

If you bought a car to get you to work, and it got you to work for 3 years...you'd still hope to sell it for something...you wouldn't just give it away to a competitor and say "oh well, at least it got me to work for 3 years"

I don't dispute that McB and Mousset contributed, but when we could have sold either of them at different points...and ended up getting nothing in return (financially)...then it's got to go down as a cock up on our part.

Losses like that are fine enough for a Liverpool or a Chelsea, but we're not big enough to sustain those kinds of losses on a regular basis

McBurney and Mousset have roughly 1goal in 6 games goal scoring ratios. And while they made some significant contributions neither one could be considered good value and less so as you pointed out being off without a fee. MGW ratio 1:3. Nydiae 1:4. Tyrese Campbell 1:2.3. Brewster 1:17.6.

 

[Keen Blade]

Often thought I'd love to start a thread copying some of the posts what many Blades made just before the Brewster transfer.

Remember loads of comments like

"There's no way we'll be buying Brewster because we're not ambitious enough"
"This deal has been going on too long, just pay him what ever he wants, £40K a week is the going rate these days, stop being tight"
"On the Liverpool forum they all say he's the new Michael Owen and they don't want to sell him".

"Stop messing about, just pay the £25 million because it will be a bargain as he's likely to be partnering Harry Kane for England
and be easily worth £50 million in a few years, so we'll have doubled our money"

Another comment was
"He's the hottest young talent in English football, still can't believe United are showing this amount of ambition"
"It will be a statement signing, showing we mean business".
Then you had plenty of comments "Bet we don't sign him, United always lack ambition, we'll miss out and the Prince will say at least we tried"

Wouldn't surprise if the fans slagging off the Brewster signing were the most vocal ones insisting we must sign him at any price.

That's exactly why the club should never listen to fans about signings - I'm convinced he was signed due to inappropriate fan pressure and Wilder getting duped by Klopp plus the Prince being too susceptible to Wilder's pleadings.
Prince should have been asking questions about JoC's prognosis , then along came COVID at that was that.

In the cold light of day , a few goals at Swansea does NOT make a £23m investment and a 5 year contract sensible for a fledgling PL club.

The fans don't have the financial responsibility of running the club , so can't possibly know how the figures of any particular signing will affect its stability.
No point blaming the fans , who are bound to clamour for any exciting new signing, based on excitement more than business acumen.

I wonder if the fans knew about his very serious previous injuries.
I wonder how much the club actually scouted him ?
I remember Wilder telling us "he's not ready for the first team and won't be for a while" ... Huge red flag when little old Sheffield United are spending £23m.

Have a listen to Prince's RS interview it's quite revealing on what fucked us up in 20/21.
Poor signings with all the PL money , on which we ultimately made not a cent of profit , followed by COVID taking £30m off our TV income.

Obviously we couldn't control COVID , but we have to hope these new owners will establish a much better recruitment process ,
not just to identify players on the kind of upward trajectory which will benefit us on the pitch and in future value ,
But also in preventing a repeat of the Brewster debacle.
(ignore his injuries - I've seen him play enough to know that he's never looked anything like his fee or wages)

I wonder who scouted him - was it the same process as Gbric ?

 

[Keen Blade]

Brewster, McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson, Freeman, Lowe...£46m of outlay for nothing in return.

Include the £5m or so loss on Berge and that's a £50m hole.

We really did make a hash of the contracts and transfers around that first Wilder Prem season

More like £65m

Brewster £23 , McB £17 , Mousset £10 , Robinson £6 , Freeman £4 =£60m.

Lowe dunno.

Not a penny back on any of them.

That's not how a self-funding club can survive in the PL.

You have to trade players for profit.

 

[Blademan18891889]

More like £65m

Brewster £23 , McB £17 , Mousset £10 , Robinson £6 , Freeman £4 =£60m.

Lowe dunno.

Not a penny back on any of them.

That's not how a self-funding club can survive in the PL.

You have to trade players for profit.

Forest have wasted a lot more , and look at them,, it didn't work for us, brewster being the biggest disgrace ever, the rest not much better either tbf on your list.

 

[Keen Blade]

McBurney and Mousset have roughly 1goal in 6 games goal scoring ratios. And while they made some significant contributions neither one could be considered good value and less so as you pointed out being off without a fee. MGW ratio 1:3. Nydiae 1:4. Tyrese Campbell 1:2.3. Brewster 1:17.6.

And it's not just goals , it's general playing quality.
I know we never owned him , but take MGW as an example.
I'm sure I'm not alone in having seen something special about him from the moment he stepped on our pitch.
Same with Ndiaye.
Look at the careers of those two.

That's the kind of thing we need to see if we ever decide to pay a Brewster kind of fee for a young player in the future.

 

[Blade56]

More like £65m

Brewster £23 , McB £17 , Mousset £10 , Robinson £6 , Freeman £4 =£60m.

Lowe dunno.

Not a penny back on any of them.

That's not how a self-funding club can survive in the PL.

You have to trade players for profit.

In Wilder we trust. Hope Desmond is still around this window.

 

[Sithblade]

Brewster, McBurnie, Mousset, Robinson, Freeman, Lowe...£46m of outlay for nothing in return.

Include the £5m or so loss on Berge and that's a £50m hole.

We really did make a hash of the contracts and transfers around that first Wilder Prem season

We didn't get the financial return back on their transfers fees but they contributed to us finishing 9th. So they did earn us £35 million more than if we'd have finished in the bottom two.

Berge was in the last year of his contract and played a part in getting us back to the Premier League "riches". His fee was pretty much a swap for Hamer who should bring in a profit this summer if we fail to go up.

 

[LudlamBlade]

We didn't get the financial return back on their transfers fees but they contributed to us finishing 9th. So they did earn us £35 million more than if we'd have finished in the bottom two.
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Berge was in the last year of his contract and played a part in getting us back to the Premier League "riches". His fee was pretty much a swap for Hamer who should bring in a profit this summer if we fail to go up.

They did contribute, yes. That makes it worse in my eyes, if anything.

Two players that cost £30m between them, who contributed to a distinctly under average team finishing 9th in the Prem...how you miss out on an opportunity to recoup at least some of that is beyond me.

If we'd sold them for £5m each, it wouldn't have changed the fact that they contributed, but we'd actually have got something back?

Also, is it not reasonable to divide that £132m contribution between the 29 players who played that season?

I'm not disputing that we got something in return for them...it's not a John Ebbrell situation...but it still doesn't change the fact that we let a large percentage of our players walk out of the door on a free in the last few years...how much could that money have helped us?

For a start...we wouldn't have had to default on loan payments, so we'd be 2pts better off immediately.

Sheffield United are not a big enough, profitable enough or successful enough football club to regularly sustain losses of that magnitude. Perhaps the new owners will change that, but if they don't, and we keep losing money at that level, eventually the wheels will come off.

I'd rather see us become a selling club and shift on every sought after player at the first opportunity, than see the club go the way of Bury (dramatic I know, but that's where that road eventually leads)

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Finally had enough of this lad today.

We’ve spent the last 3 and a half years waiting for him to have a run injury free and finally come good.

Well he has had a run of being largely injury free and plenty of minutes and the last couple of games he has been absolutely fucking woeful.

The sooner we stop pussyfooting around and accept he has been a shocking signing all round. I can’t blame Wilder either as everything pointed towards him becoming a very good player when we signed up and he took a gamble coming to us when he had the opportunity of staying at Liverpool or a choice of a number of Premier League clubs to go to.

Best thing we can do is write off all the money we’ve thrown at him, release him on a free and move on, and let him have a fresh start too.

I don't understand the logic.

We're light on numbers and he's getting a lot of minutes. Why would we pay up his deal and let him walk on a free? What value does that provide to the club?

The notion that him being here is damaging is a nonsense.
He gets singled out every time he plays, regardless of how he (and everyone around him) performs.

The opportunity at the backstick was no tap-in. He's stretching for it, off balance, it's on his wrong foot, the ball has hopped up in front of him... A PL standard CF probably wraps his foot over it and knocks it in but that's not where he's at.

Every manager has said they enjoy his character. He's here until the Summer. I don't understand all the bizarre anger.

As a fan base, I wish we could move on from this Brewster stuff.
The move hasn't worked out. Wilder isn't playing him out of choice, the lads doing what he can.

 

[Nagima]

And it's not just goals , it's general playing quality.
I know we never owned him , but take MGW as an example.
I'm sure I'm not alone in having seen something special about him from the moment he stepped on our pitch.
Same with Ndiaye.
Look at the careers of those two.

That's the kind of thing we need to see if we ever decide to pay a Brewster kind of fee for a young player in the future.

Spot on there. MGW and Ndiaye both wanted the ball and made effort to get into positions to receive a pass. It is a characteristic that Arblaster and Peck both have. No hiding on the pitch. I will give credit to O'Hare, for a lightweight with no pace he works hard. His best attribute is ability in the box to fashion a goal scoring opportunity.

 

[91stMinute]

ADMIN.
Please close this thread.
It’s just become a witch hunt against a Sheffield United player. It’s toxic and is feeding certain posters hidden agenda.
It’s an embarrassment to the club and true supporters of the club.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

ADMIN.
Please close this thread.
It’s just become a witch hunt against a Sheffield United player. It’s toxic and is feeding certain posters hidden agenda.
It’s an embarrassment to the club and true supporters of the club.

As a matter of interest, what is this "hidden agenda?"

 

[djbaldken]

ADMIN.
Please close this thread.
It’s just become a witch hunt against a Sheffield United player. It’s toxic and is feeding certain posters hidden agenda.
It’s an embarrassment to the club and true supporters of the club.

No witch hunt at all. It's fans giving honest assessment. I certainly don't have a hidden agenda. He's been poor since he arrived.
Other players in the past have also been given the same if not worse criticism. None of it toxic. Grbic, Woolford and Hamond to name but three. All were poor, and all were given justified criticism.
Brewster is no different. He's not above criticism. He's had enough opportunity to show what he's about. For four and a half seasons. And hes come up short throughout that time.