Keep Wilder

[S17 Blade 1889]

To be fair my issue with keeping Wilder is not next season, I think we will do well to be honest. My issue is more that the players he will bring in will be more of the same and we need a manager who can bring in players for this season and next, if promoted. I think Warnock had the same issue, the 'battler' is well out of the Premier League quality now.

Hecky did the same, got promoted with a team of battlers and a couple of real quality players who left and the squad was so devoid of quality after that we had nothing else.

We never seem able to beat the Warnock cycle of battlers, where Robbo and Ozzy, et al are or PoY.

 

[Andy67]

If it meant getting getting Cooper I’d stick anyone else I’d consider a twist, if it was Potter I’d be twisting a lot but ain’t going to happen

 

[Carlton Blade]

He didn't assemble a team in the Premier League though did he? Our main 11 that season was:

Henderson (was on loan the previous season)
Baldock (already here)
Basham (already here)
Egan (already here)
O'Connell (already here)
Stevens (already here)
Lundstram (already here)
Norwood (already here)
Fleck (already here)
McGoldrick (already here)
McBurnie (new signing)

*** Mousset (news signing)

In the majority of games only McBurnie was a new signing, or McBurnie and Mousset, arguably Lundstram as he barely played in the promotion season.

Wilder didn't build a team, he built a squad, and the majority of his squad players were poor and made little to no impact, hence why they couldn't command a starting place and were sold/released at the end of the season.

His faith in his team and failure to replace the first team is half the reason we were relegated the following season. When his favourite players lost form he had no one to turn to as the majority his signings were inferior squad players and not first teamers.

In no way, shape or form did he assemble a team in our first season back in the Premier League as at least 10 of the regular starters were already here. Just about every team in the Premier League had strengthened their first teams with 2 or 3 players, we strengthened our bench and even then it wasn't strong.

Wilder didn't build a team?

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Wilder didn't build a team?

The previous post that I was responding to said he built a team in the Premier League. My point is that no he didn't, he built that team before we went up and only brought McBurnie into the same 11 who got us promoted. He didn't build a team in the Premier League at all.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The previous post that I was responding to said he built a team in the Premier League. My point is that no he didn't, he built that team before we went up and only brought McBurnie into the same 11 who got us promoted. He didn't build a team in the Premier League at all.

So he built a PL team in the Championship

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Voted for both

Me too. How many goes can we have? Haha

 

[Sean Thornton]

So he built a PL team in the Championship

By that logic he built a championship team in the PL.

 

[Carlton Blade]

By that logic he built a championship team in the PL.

Championship may be generous

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

So he built a PL team in the Championship

This is getting painful now. I can't tell if you're putting spin on to suit your agenda and own argument, or just on the wind up?

 

[Carlton Blade]

This is getting painful now. I can't tell if you're putting spin on to suit your agenda and own argument, or just on the wind up?

I have no agenda at all. I'm not anti Wilder, I acknowledge he did an amazing job building a team for net zero transfer outlay and then had a nightmare on that side post promotion. Neither thing makes the other untrue

 

[Addison]

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[1066blade]

Give him money ( he's hopefully learned how not to spunk it. ) and a guiding DoF

 

[wak1889]

Wilder is basically the dele Ali of the management world, had a great couple of seasons looked to have the world at his feet was being mentioned for some bigger jobs , but his career has just nosedived it would be really interesting to get the opinion of the wilder loving brigade as to why we don't actually sign dele Ali because he was fantastic for 3 seasons same as wilder , so obviously he can just switch it back on and become an international calibre midfielder again

 

[wak1889]

So he built a PL team in the Championship

No he didn't he built a very good championship team in the PL and that's what we became, those players had 1 good season in prem 3 very good championship seasons and 2 absolute car crashes of premier league campaigns , it was never ever a premier League team we have never ever had a premier League team , when we get relegated how many players of our "premier League team" remain in the premier League

 

[Carlton Blade]

No he didn't he built a very good championship team in the PL and that's what we became, those players had 1 good season in prem 3 very good championship seasons and 2 absolute car crashes of premier league campaigns , it was never ever a premier League team we have never ever had a premier League team , when we get relegated how many players of our "premier League team" remain in the premier League

Very impressive Championship team to finish top.half in the PL

Denigrating his achievements is unnecessary. He's had a really bad run since 19/20 and won't ever get back to where he was. But the good things happened whether you like it or not

 

[wak1889]

Very impressive Championship team to finish top.half in the PL

Denigrating his achievements is unnecessary. He's had a really bad run since 19/20 and won't ever get back to where he was. But the good things happened whether you like it or not

That was a championship team, tell me how many of that team were head hunted by premier league teams when we got relegated? And how many of that same team lost 29 of 38 games the following season, our players were only premier league players because they got promoted, not 1 premier League team wanted anyone of our players upon relegation for a reason, in the same way Rotherham are not a championsip team, they may play there for a season but that's all

 

[Carlton Blade]

That was a championship team, tell me how many of that team were head hunted by premier league teams when we got relegated? And how many of that same team lost 29 of 38 games the following season

I'm confused. Are you trying to put down Wilder's achievements in 19/20 for a specific reason? There was certainly a lot of luck involved but what are you hoping to get out of this?

 

[wak1889]

I'm confused. Are you trying to put down Wilder's achievements in 19/20 for a specific reason? There was certainly a lit of luck involved but What are you hoping to get out of this?

I'm not putting his achievements down I'm saying he didn't build a premier League team he had a very good championship team over performing

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm not putting his achievements down I'm saying he didn't build a premier League team he had a very good championship team over performing

He built a team that, for that time competed with almost every team in the PL. It didn't last and he couldn't build on it But for that season, he built a good PL team. I'm not a huge fan of his, the refusal to acknowledge what was actually needed in 20/21 plus his attitude in general towards any criticism annoys me. But he deserves recognition for building a one season, PL team from basically nothing

 

[wak1889]

He built a team that, for that time competed with almost every team in the PL. It didn't last and he couldn't build on it But for that season, he built a good PL team. I'm not a huge fan of his, the refusal to acknowledge what was actually needed in 20/21 plus his attitude in general towards any criticism annoys me. But he deserves recognition for building a one season, PL team from basically nothing

But this is my point it wasn't ever a premier League quality team it was a massively over achieving championship team which he coached brilliantly I'm not denying that , but to say he built a premier League team is wrong , if you say he built a very good championship team that were incredibly well drilled and were able to compete in the premier League then I have no argument, as a team we were great that season but individual ability wise not 1 was good enough for the premier League, loans apart , which is why upon relegation no one was signed by premier League teams, not even newly promoted ones

 

[Carlton Blade]

But this is my point it wasn't ever a premier League quality team it was a massively over achieving championship team which he coached brilliantly I'm not denying that , but to say he built a premier League team is wrong , if you say he built a very good championship team that were incredibly well drilled and were able to compete in the premier League then I have no argument

This is the worst case of semantics ever! Makes no odds either way

 

[Blade56]

FFS if we’re going to get decent funding how can anyone trust Wilder with it? He’s good at truffling around the lower divisions. Put him in charge of donkeys on Blackpool beach but not thoroughbreds int’ Irish stables

 

[Sean Thornton]

Y

This is the worst case of semantics ever! Makes no odds either way

what happened to the PL team he built in his second PL season ?

 

[wak1889]

This is the worst case of semantics ever! Makes no odds either way

It does if you understand football, take Wrexham for instance, Paul mullin was never ever a non league player but he played there because Wrexham signed him , so he's a non league player , Ben Osborne is never in a million years on any planet in any solar system a premier League footballer but he's played there

 

[Carlton Blade]

Y

what happened to the PL team he built in his second PL season ?

The one I said could only generously be described as Championship level earlier?

 

[Carlton Blade]

It does if you understand football, take Wrexham for instance, Paul mullin was never ever a non league player but he played there because Wrexham signed him , so he's a non league player , Ben Osborne is never in a million years on any planet in any solar system a premier League footballer but he's played there

"Understand football"? Really? I think I'll leave that there

 

[wak1889]

Probably for the best if u believe that was a premier League team

 

[wak1889]

"Understand football"? Really? I think I'll leave that there

Probably for the best if you really had on heart believed that was a premier League team , do you also believe men with beard and Cocks that wear dresses are women ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

The one I said could only generously be described as Championship level earlier?

Ok, how did he turn it from being the PL team you claim into a Championship team?