Keep Wilder

[finlaytheblade]

Yes that was sort of my point but you said it much better than I could - it’s the we “stick with the tried and tested grafters” approach regarding players and managers who we can hope find a diamond and reflect the same style of grafters etc. we talk about united being of working class roots but lack that ambition/ prepared to change approach and the rapidly evolving football world passes us by - let down by owners who can’t deliver the ambition and knowing that the fans will accept a team of triers over true success progress that is hard to sustain.

One can't disagree with what you say all true!
The thing is we are always trying to make a £ worth £1-50 due to shortage of funds usually due to owners who always have good intentions! Just don't have the clout to carry out their plans.
This goes right back yo the sixties when the poultry £20 a week wage was lifted due to player power (had to happen really as £ 20 a week was an insult to footballers) this power now is out of hand with most teams unable to compete as losing money on a regular basis is now being stamped on.
I digressed sorry!
That's more or less 60 years and we have been the nearly men on numerous occasions. We have a reputation for direct aggressive football which is daft really ( reputation earned during D Bassetts tenure which was a great period while it lasted) .A number of managers have got us so far and then crash! lack of money to build on potentially great teams hits us every time.

This is us now! have we found an owner who can build the club and team? It's sustainability which is needed now as throwing millions at it can't happen from where we are ! we have missed the boat regarding a billionaire throwing big money at it.
Still can be done but a slow burn compared to clubs like Bournemouth who have come from no where on the back of a Russian olligark with there ill gained billions bank rolling there ride to the promised land.
Not a negative post! Just being realistic! Things haven't changed at all during my time as a blade going back to the 50's.
As I said not a negative post I am an optimistic blade who hopes this time its the real deal finally.

 

[The Crab]

I'm not saying he's the best choice, longer-term - however, the current argument is that he's studied the squad the most intensely, and will know a plan for potential recruitment. Funds permitting. We're shit enough and slow enough at recruitment as it is, so to bring another man in to assess the squad, hire his own staff and players will add unnecessary faff that we could do without this summer. Should be a medium term consideration instead, when we know more about the future of the ownership.



What, you mean like the revolutionary tactical system and flowing, stylish football of peak Wilderball a few years back?

Even though I’m in the Wilder out camp, that actually makes plenty of sense

 

[Tom Bott]

If we had ambition we would have signed Vincent Kompany, after all look at his recent CV.

A snip at only £10 million, and £6 million per year in wages.

Revealed: The eye-watering wages Bayern will pay Vincent Kompany

The former Manchester City defender was unveiled as the Bundesliga side's new coach on Thursday, succeeding Thomas Tuchel at the German outfit after it was announced that he'd be leaving the club.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[The Crab]

poultry £20 a week wage

Sounds like chicken feed…..

 

[Tom Bott]

This goes right back yo the sixties when the poultry £20 a week wage was lifted

I only paid my chickens ten bobs worth of corn every week

^ snap.

 

[dexter101]

If we ignore the takeover rumours for the time being (even if something happens, its unlikely to take effect in time for preseason etc).

What manager is worth looking at as an alternative who has enough experience to justify us approaching them but also we could afford and would be willing to take on a relegated side and the rebuild that is clearly needed.

Its not that there aren't other options to Wilder, but I haven't heard of one that is realistic and affordable.

The take over might change things but I don't see a better fit than Wilder if it doesn't go ahead.

 

[The Fox]

If PA has had something bubbling regarding selling up for a while then bringing wilder back was a smart move.
If he sells then its not his decision new people often want their own man which is fair enough
If he doesn't then he has Wilder as a contingency to work with a more limited budget and get the best out of what's available.

I know it sounds like people are just expendable but that's the case in football management , think they all know that

 

[Bladezz]

What this and the similar threads with polls tells me is that we currently have a manager who splits the fanbase down the middle. We are a long way from being united behind him. And for that reason only, ignoring all other arguments for & against, a change of manager and a fresh start would be best for the club. A clean slate is badly needed.

Ignoring arguments for and against actually made me chuckle.

Let Wilder sink or swim over the next few months. If he fails then you have your answer.

If you replace him now people like me will always say Wilder could do better. So let him fail. If we are bottom after 10 games then we sack him and move forward.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I only paid my chickens ten bobs worth of corn every week

^ snap.

Cheaper than that in the 50,s

 

[Houston_Blade]

I don’t think there’s many Unitedites who travel home and away who want wilder out next season. That’s not me having a go at people who don’t go at all, just my observation at games. It’s only ever on this forum that I see such a surge for wanting him out. The pigs also seem to ask about wilder’s return with big grins on their face, I think they’d be much more relaxed if he wasn’t our manager.

It’s because he kisses the badge and says “this football club” a lot, Bigger Blades love that shit.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Ignoring arguments for and against actually made me chuckle.

That will because the post went way over your head.

 

[Bladesman101]

It’s because he kisses the badge and says “this football club” a lot, Bigger Blades love that shit.

Is it not because he took us from League 1 to prem? Oh forgot people who don’t go only started taking notice when we got to prem!

 

[TJ blade]

It’s because he kisses the badge and says “this football club” a lot, Bigger Blades love that shit.

I don’t think there’s many Unitedites who travel home and away who want wilder out next season. That’s not me having a go at people who don’t go at all, just my observation at games. It’s only ever on this forum that I see such a surge for wanting him out. The pigs also seem to ask about wilder’s return with big grins on their face, I think they’d be much more relaxed if he wasn’t our manager.

My observation at away matches is a lot don't care what's happening on the pitch. A lot of them spend most of the time supping on the concourses. there answer probably is it's more interesting than what's on the pitch

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Even though I’m in the Wilder out camp, that actually makes plenty of sense

I'm with you Crab, I think it's a change that's needed in the medium term - we need fresh blood, fresh ideas, and we need to modernise every aspect of running the club. But for now, this summer, we need any ounce of stability we can get. So, stick for now, twist later.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Is it not because he took us from League 1 to prem? Oh forgot people who don’t go only started taking notice when we got to prem!

What’s League 1? I only started supporting The Blades when we were in the Premiership.

I’ve just ordered my Ipswich shirt for next season

 

[Bladesman101]

What’s League 1? I only started supporting The Blades when we were in the Premiership.

I’ve just ordered my Ipswich shirt for next season

Lundstram? Is that you?

 

[Tom Bott]

If we are bottom after 10 games then we sack him and move forward.

Starting the season on minus 2 points, with almost an entire new first team to assemble.

In the last 24 years we have had 14 managers, and been promoted to the top tier 3 times. (twice with Bladey Blade managers)

Wendy have had 19 managers in the last 24 years, and achieved sweet FA.

So yes let's force CW out with our negativity because we deserve better and have a new manager every six months.



Are you sure that with a new manager we will move forwards ?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Starting the season on minus 2 points, with almost an entire new first team to assemble.

In the last 24 years we have had 14 managers, and been promoted to the top tier 3 times. (twice with Bladey Blade managers)

Wendy have had 19 managers in the last 24 years, and achieved sweet FA.

So yes let's force CW out with our negativity because we deserve better and have a new manager every six months.



Are you sure that with a new manager we will move forwards ?

A lot of the reason we’re starting on -2 points is down to Wilder and his incredible signings last time around.

 

[cahill]

I can’t see what being a Blade has to do with being an effective or good manager ? Saying «he’s a Blade » doesn’t make him a better man manager or tactician

 

[The Crab]

Starting the season on minus 2 points, with almost an entire new first team to assemble.

In the last 24 years we have had 14 managers, and been promoted to the top tier 3 times. (twice with Bladey Blade managers)

Wendy have had 19 managers in the last 24 years, and achieved sweet FA.

So yes let's force CW out with our negativity because we deserve better and have a new manager every six months.



Are you sure that with a new manager we will move forwards ?

No

But with a new manager and a better overall structure we have a better chance in my humble opinion

 

[Sean Thornton]

Lundstram? Is that you?

Cunt.


(First)

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Regards the here and now.

1: He knows the club, the culture, the fan expectation inside out.
2: He's been on the inside during the most difficult times, so you would expect him to know the problems, the problem players and what's needed.
3: This job is his last chance saloon, a bit like Wayne Rooney's managerial career, if this fails then where does he go from there?
So surely he'll be incredibly determined to succeed more than previous managers.
4: He has a good/close relationship with the owner, experiencing both the great and poor times.
5: He's a great track record at rebuilding. At Middlesboro and Watford, there was no rebuilding needed.

The main negative for me regards keeping Wilder is that they talk about positive momentum, but there's also negative momentum.
Last season was so disastrously bad, that if we lose our early games (especially if we play well but are unlucky conceding last minute goals) then the players, the fans and the manager will have flashbacks, like some form of PTSD and on here everyone will be convinced we're heading for league 1.

Sometimes when there's a dark cloud of defeat and negativity over a club.
It might not be Wilders fault but often owners prefer a massive clear out, loads of new players and also a fresh start with a new manager.
Another factor to get rid is the practical side of finances. He's in his final year, so wouldn't cost that much to sack and pay compensation.

Personally I like to give every manager we've had a chance and only sack them when their position is untenable. Also it depends what alternative options we have, unless there's a chance of bringing in an impressive manager, then may as well give CW a chance to repair his damaged reputation.

Good post - that sums it up well for me.

Stating the obvious, the only way in which we can properly judge Wilder in the here and now is by giving him some rein to bring in the players that he wants next season, and seeing if he can rekindle the magic of a few years ago. If he fails, I think that will be it for him as a manager of aspiring Championship clubs. If he succeeds, it will be brilliant - there’s no doubt that the majority of fans would love him to do this, partly because of who he is and his history. When times are good, the connection with him is unlike anything I’ve seen at the Lane.

We will be taking a chance with him, but that’s equally true if not even more the case for any new manager that we brought in.

Given the situation he came back into during last season, it would have required an absolute miracle to keep us up. We were that bad - so far off the required standard. It makes no sense to bring him back under those conditions, and then sack him when he fails to deliver the near impossible. We need to give him a crack this season, on his own terms, and review towards December. Otherwise, we might just as well not have bothered bringing him back at all.

 

[Bladezz]

That will because the post went way over your head.

To be honest I stopped reading at ignoring arguments for and against.

 

[Nick Jansky]

To be honest I stopped reading at ignoring arguments for and against.

Yep, you would have been struggling by that point. No shame for you in that. The post was aimed at the grown ups on the forum.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Can you imagine who they would come up with?

To throw a new bloke in charge right now be incredibly foolhardy, just can't see it.

Give Chris / Knilly til Christmas - lets face it they know the club/ players better than anyone.

I think he's so determined on this he will do well. Maybe not top 6 but certainly in top half- and after last season that will be great.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Good post - that sums it up well for me.

Stating the obvious, the only way in which we can properly judge Wilder in the here and now is by giving him some rein to bring in the players that he wants next season, and seeing if he can rekindle the magic of a few years ago. If he fails, I think that will be it for him as a manager of aspiring Championship clubs. If he succeeds, it will be brilliant - there’s no doubt that the majority of fans would love him to do this, partly because of who he is and his history. When times are good, the connection with him is unlike anything I’ve seen at the Lane.

We will be taking a chance with him, but that’s equally true if not even more the case for any new manager that we brought in.

Given the situation he came back into during last season, it would have required an absolute miracle to keep us up. We were that bad - so far off the required standard. It makes no sense to bring him back under those conditions, and then sack him when he fails to deliver the near impossible. We need to give him a crack this season, on his own terms, and review towards December. Otherwise, we might just as well not have bothered bringing him back at all.

He's had a lot of time to be judged. His last PL season, Boro and Watford, and 24 games this season where he failed to even achieve any sort of respectability in either performance or results. In my view, he shouldn't have been brought back, and this season would seem to provide the evidence that bringing him back was a mistake.
I think that if he's still here, next season will be a car crash. I said that about him coming back, and it's been a car crash. There's no reason to think that this will change.

 

[coolasanidiot]

He's had a lot of time to be judged. His last PL season, Boro and Watford, and 24 games this season where he failed to even achieve any sort of respectability in either performance or results. In my view, he shouldn't have been brought back, and this season would seem to provide the evidence that bringing him back was a mistake.
I think that if he's still here, next season will be a car crash. I said that about him coming back, and it's been a car crash. There's no reason to think that this will change.

Lots of reasons to think it will change-

1- No manager would have had a positive impact on that team in prem- squad woefully out of depth.
2- Him and Knilly are not as incompetent as you make out and will have learnt a lot in this short spell so far.
3- Lets wait and see additions before getting ahead of ourselves, just purchasing 3 quality spine players adding to his squad would make us competitive.

We are a terribly run club from top to bottom, but Chris actually adds stability, no car crash next year - lots of wins and decent attacking football is what they will bring, have a bit of faith, he's proved he's poor with money, but on a shoestring he's very good - personally can't wait to get last seasons misery out of my system and I think Wilder with the bit in the teeth will fire us.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

He's had a lot of time to be judged. His last PL season, Boro and Watford, and 24 games this season where he failed to even achieve any sort of respectability in either performance or results. In my view, he shouldn't have been brought back, and this season would seem to provide the evidence that bringing him back was a mistake.
I think that if he's still here, next season will be a car crash. I said that about him coming back, and it's been a car crash. There's no reason to think that this will change.

Well, if you want to cover the full history available in making your judgement, then perhaps you should consider the good half as well?

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Well, if you want to cover the full history available in making your judgement, then perhaps you should consider the good half as well?

I did, they were great times, but more recently it's been rather negative.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Lots of reasons to think it will change-

1- No manager would have had a positive impact on that team in prem- squad woefully out of depth.
2- Him and Knilly are not as incompetent as you make out and will have learnt a lot in this short spell so far.
3- Lets wait and see additions before getting ahead of ourselves, just purchasing 3 quality spine players adding to his squad would make us competitive.

We are a terribly run club from top to bottom, but Chris actually adds stability, no car crash next year - lots of wins and decent attacking football is what they will bring, have a bit of faith, he's proved he's poor with money, but on a shoestring he's very good - personally can't wait to get last seasons misery out of my system and I think Wilder with the bit in the teeth will fire us.

All fair points mate, I'd love to share your optimism, but we all need to wait and see. I genuinely hope I'm wrong, but I said that when he was appointed this time round!!