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Keep Wilder ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 219 52.6%

  • No

    Votes: 204 49.0%
  • Total voters
    416

wak1889 said:
Probably for the best if you really had on heart believed that was a premier League team , do you also believe men with beard and Cocks that wear dresses are women ?
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So you're that sort of person? Cool 👍
 
wak1889 said:
Probably for the best if you really had on heart believed that was a premier League team , do you also believe men with beard and Cocks that wear dresses are women ?
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Well he has an opinion on most things!
 
Sean Thornton said:
:) Ok, how did he turn it from being the PL team you claim into a Championship team?
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The league got better, decisively (especially in terms of opposing managers) and he showed he couldn't adapt after his first system was countered.

But you know that.
 
Fan base divided that’s one thing for sure. If the rumours are true about us looking at the likes of Cooper then that means the prospective new owners have already made a decision
 
There's a lot of stuff flying about now involving the takeover...

All I can say is everybody at the club is being looked at for suitability going forward, this takeover, barring a thumbs down from the powers that be, looks like it's genuine and could be much further down the road than we think it is...

The rumours on Wilders position are now starting to gather serious pace, and clearly the fanbase is split, I'm not voting as I think he's a great bloke but not doing a great job at the minute, but then guardiola wouldn't get that team playing either, so I think it's unfair because neither him or hecky had anything resembling premier league quality at thier disposal did they.

Call me mad (some do) but i'm really only interested in 2 games next season, and I know who I'd want in the dug out for those 2 games... but, it's not going to be our decision..
 
I didn't want him back, reasons being how he walked out of the club, in my opinion he was only brought back to appease the fans. The owner knew fans were starting to question his ownership. Since then he couldn't get a tune out of the squad, no surprise there as we all know it was shit. What is worrying for me, he's started surrounding himself with the old pals act, and even more worrying alleged rumours of one of his drinking buddies, discussing things about utd? It's got the feel of amateurism, pub club if you like! Boring I know but it's been said before, the club needs shaking up from top to bottom, and start acting ambitious.
 
TJ blade said:
I didn't want him back, reasons being how he walked out of the club, in my opinion he was only brought back to appease the fans. The owner knew fans were starting to question his ownership. Since then he couldn't get a tune out of the squad, no surprise there as we all know it was shit. What is worrying for me, he's started surrounding himself with the old pals act, and even more worrying alleged rumours of one of his drinking buddies, discussing things about utd? It's got the feel of amateurism, pub club if you like! Boring I know but it's been said before, the club needs shaking up from top to bottom, and start acting ambitious.
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Alleged rumors 😂
 
The Rotherham team that keeps getting promoted may not be a championship side but then they didn't finish 9th then get relegated. I don't believe Wilder's system got found out. I think Jack O'Connell getting injured stopped it. For me Jack stays fit we get a shit load more points that next season (maybe still not enough) and either way he ends up at a top 10 side. Wilder can be criticised for having no plan B when Jack was out but in that first season saying that team just had championship players is not true. Fleck, Basham, Norwood may have fallen off a cliff later due to age and injury but for that season they were certainly premier league players. Ignoring both goalkeepers who both still play at that level.
 

TJ blade said:
I didn't want him back, reasons being how he walked out of the club, in my opinion he was only brought back to appease the fans. The owner knew fans were starting to question his ownership. Since then he couldn't get a tune out of the squad, no surprise there as we all know it was shit. What is worrying for me, he's started surrounding himself with the old pals act, and even more worrying alleged rumours of one of his drinking buddies, discussing things about utd? It's got the feel of amateurism, pub club if you like! Boring I know but it's been said before, the club needs shaking up from top to bottom, and start acting ambitious.
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i was a big chris wilder fan first time round and advocated on here for him to be appointed but im not sure about him this time round im also of the opinion that if new owners come in he could well be gone and think thats why he was only given an 18 month contract in the first place im not actually against steve cooper yes forest broke the rules regarding spending in the premier league but his forest team played some brilliant fast attacking football in the championship
 
wak1889 said:
It does if you understand football, take Wrexham for instance, Paul mullin was never ever a non league player but he played there because Wrexham signed him , so he's a non league player , Ben Osborne is never in a million years on any planet in any solar system a premier League footballer but he's played there
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It's semantics.

You could say the individual players were Championship standard, but the team as a whole was 9th in the Premier League, so a PL standard team.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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Make an argument about someone CV but don’t use CV 😂

Priceless this message board.
 
Bladezz said:
Make an argument about someone CV but don’t use CV 😂

Priceless this message board.
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I think we should re-sign Billy Sharp this summer as he scored 23 goals for us in the Championship in 2018/19 and 14 goals in the Championship in 2021/22. He was great for us back then, so I'm sure he'll be great for us again. After all, he's a Blade and cares about the club and knows what makes the team tick. I know he's not been as good over the last 3 seasons, but it doesn't matter, he'll come good for us again like he was a few years ago.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I think we should re-sign Billy Sharp this summer as he scored 23 goals for us in the Championship in 2018/19 and 14 goals in the Championship in 2021/22. He was great for us back then, so I'm sure he'll be great for us again. After all, he's a Blade and cares about the club and knows what makes the team tick. I know he's not been as good over the last 3 seasons, but it doesn't matter, he'll come good for us again like he was a few years ago.
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That not being very good for the last 3 seasons, doesn't bother me at all, the most important attributes are he " gets the club" and the most important one he's a blade. Ger im in 🙏
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I think we should re-sign Billy Sharp this summer as he scored 23 goals for us in the Championship in 2018/19 and 14 goals in the Championship in 2021/22. He was great for us back then, so I'm sure he'll be great for us again. After all, he's a Blade and cares about the club and knows what makes the team tick. I know he's not been as good over the last 3 seasons, but it doesn't matter, he'll come good for us again like he was a few years ago.
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What about Fatty Foulke to replace Grbic? Yeah I know he’s been dead a long time but he’d still be the better option…..
 
308 votes yet there are only 303 voters in total.

Some are getting their election fraud practice on the forum first before the GE?
 
I wonder if we fans get what we deserve. We expect players that are 100% triers and applaud them for it even if not very good. All the discussion about Osborn (& Berge for that matter, undecided if he was great or just weak)
In that vein we get a manager of same ilk who has to make a purse out of a sow’s ear because we can’t buy the top players - so I expect Wilder to be given a chance and time to rebuild the team - however I still have a sour taste from when he left last time and he’s never discussed that or been asked about it by the sycophantic local media. We owe him nothing in my book - he certainly lost some of that humbleness and connection with the fans no doubt - but on our situation currently I see few options
 
Hockey'sBeard said:
I wonder if we fans get what we deserve. We expect players that are 100% triers and applaud them for it even if not very good. All the discussion about Osborn (& Berge for that matter, undecided if he was great or just weak)
In that vein we get a manager of same ilk who has to make a purse out of a sow’s ear because we can’t buy the top players - so I expect Wilder to be given a chance and time to rebuild the team - however I still have a sour taste from when he left last time and he’s never discussed that or been asked about it by the sycophantic local media. We owe him nothing in my book - he certainly lost some of that humbleness and connection with the fans no doubt - but on our situation currently I see few options
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And yet many other teams seem to find good managers when they let people apply. Look at Norwich when they hired Farke, Huddersfield with Wagner, Brentford with Frank, Portsmouth with Mousinho or Ipswich with McKenna.

Sheffield United always appear to be scared of change, or we try it and get it wrong and decide that it won't happen again. A young, upcoming manager in David Weir, mainly failed as he tried to build a team from rejected academt players who he knew from his time as an academy manager. A foreign manager in Jokanovic, mainly failed because he chose a system and stuck with it but didn't have the players to utilise it. He then changed at the end, found a system that did suit what he got, results improved and he was scaled before he could continue in this manner.

Who knows who is out there. Other clubs find good young or foreign managers who fans haven't heard of in Britain and it goes well for them. Why not us?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
And yet many other teams seem to find good managers when they let people apply. Look at Norwich when they hired Farke, Huddersfield with Wagner, Brentford with Frank, Portsmouth with Mousinho or Ipswich with McKenna.

Sheffield United always appear to be scared of change, or we try it and get it wrong and decide that it won't happen again. A young, upcoming manager in David Weir, mainly failed as he tried to build a team from rejected academt players who he knew from his time as an academy manager. A foreign manager in Jokanovic, mainly failed because he chose a system and stuck with it but didn't have the players to utilise it. He then changed at the end, found a system that did suit what he got, results improved and he was scaled before he could continue in this manner.

Who knows who is out there. Other clubs find good young or foreign managers who fans haven't heard of in Britain and it goes well for them. Why not us?
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Bloody autocorrect!
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
And yet many other teams seem to find good managers when they let people apply. Look at Norwich when they hired Farke, Huddersfield with Wagner, Brentford with Frank, Portsmouth with Mousinho or Ipswich with McKenna.

Sheffield United always appear to be scared of change, or we try it and get it wrong and decide that it won't happen again. A young, upcoming manager in David Weir, mainly failed as he tried to build a team from rejected academt players who he knew from his time as an academy manager. A foreign manager in Jokanovic, mainly failed because he chose a system and stuck with it but didn't have the players to utilise it. He then changed at the end, found a system that did suit what he got, results improved and he was scaled before he could continue in this manner.

Who knows who is out there. Other clubs find good young or foreign managers who fans haven't heard of in Britain and it goes well for them. Why not us?
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Yes that was sort of my point but you said it much better than I could - it’s the we “stick with the tried and tested grafters” approach regarding players and managers who we can hope find a diamond and reflect the same style of grafters etc. we talk about united being of working class roots but lack that ambition/ prepared to change approach and the rapidly evolving football world passes us by - let down by owners who can’t deliver the ambition and knowing that the fans will accept a team of triers over true success progress that is hard to sustain.
 
What this and the similar threads with polls tells me is that we currently have a manager who splits the fanbase down the middle. We are a long way from being united behind him. And for that reason only, ignoring all other arguments for & against, a change of manager and a fresh start would be best for the club. A clean slate is badly needed.
 

Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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I'm not saying he's the best choice, longer-term - however, the current argument is that he's studied the squad the most intensely, and will know a plan for potential recruitment. Funds permitting. We're shit enough and slow enough at recruitment as it is, so to bring another man in to assess the squad, hire his own staff and players will add unnecessary faff that we could do without this summer. Should be a medium term consideration instead, when we know more about the future of the ownership.

SUFCinks said:
We need new ideas and an identity that modernises the club instead of constantly being some plucky, industrious, underdog, up and at them type. Some flair and style would be nice.
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What, you mean like the revolutionary tactical system and flowing, stylish football of peak Wilderball a few years back? 😉
 
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