Recruitment Department Update

[jt64]

Lots of good points in this thread.

I'm not sure there's anyone at the club who is focussing on anything other than the very short-term.

I'm not sure about that. A large majority of the business we did last summer was with longer term ideas in mind (despite large percentages of our fan base thinking that the players in question should be first teamers NOW and if not then they're useless sell them for a bag of Space Raiders), and I'd be very surprised if it was Hecky that was bringing said players in

 

[Eric_Brooks]

As much as I agree with most that it would be good to have a complete overall, we are so beind the 8 ball and we need to get recruitment done early. We haven't got time to bed in a new team..

I would be interested into why Mike Allen left boro and what players he had a hand in bringing in.

Jamie Hoyland intrigues me as Everton have always scouted round in division below for a bargain like DCL. Hopefully at everton there will be a few more that he has scouted and already got the down low on.

 

[Andy67]

Lots of good points in this thread.

I'm not sure there's anyone at the club who is focussing on anything other than the very short-term. On a personal level, there's no point Wilder making any decisions that will pay off in anything more than 6-12 months time. His career trajectory is currently going the wrong way and he needs to (a) hold onto this job and (b) get us promoted or as close to it as possible next season. I can't imagine he cares about anything much beyond that.

At a board / ownership level, we've got Bettis whose priority is keeping the Prince happy not making the club better and then a disinterested (at best) board and owner who have shown that they don't really understand how football works and have made bad decisions regarding contracts and delaying payments which have cost us dearly.

I hope our next owner, regardless of their wealth, is more mentally and emotionally invested in the club and actually looks to put some foundations in place and transform us into a club that is more strategic and has a clear direction.

If pigs could fly and all that.

 

[Bladezz]

I'm not sure about that. A large majority of the business we did last summer was with longer term ideas in mind (despite large percentages of our fan base thinking that the players in question should be first teamers NOW and if not then they're useless sell them for a bag of Space Raiders), and I'd be very surprised if it was Hecky that was bringing said players in

My thing is how many times did Hecky go to Sweden to watch Traore? The answer is most likely zero. So it’s hard to put any blame onto him. He’s only receiving feedback from whoever.

This is why signing foreign players is always very high risk. My issue with the signings this season is just they are the wrong profile totally.

Traore 5ft 0 and 6 stone wet through… how many of these players do well in the PL? How many players come from Sweden second division and do well? Everything points to he’s not going to do well and yet we go for it.

Same with Vini got some good attributes but cannot run around like these PL athletes it’s just terrible.

Whoever was giving the info to Hecky etc needs sacking. We now have a new recruitment team that hopefully understand these very basic points.

 

[FTPE]

Good old local Sheff Utd.

Just need to get rid of all these foreign players now.

I get you're joking but in Yasser, Bennie, Souza and Gribic... we sorta do

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

My thing is how many times did Hecky go to Sweden to watch Traore? The answer is most likely zero. So it’s hard to put any blame onto him. He’s only receiving feedback from whoever.

This is why signing foreign players is always very high risk. My issue with the signings this season is just they are the wrong profile totally.

Traore 5ft 0 and 6 stone wet through… how many of these players do well in the PL? How many players come from Sweden second division and do well? Everything points to he’s not going to do well and yet we go for it.

Same with Vini got some good attributes but cannot run around like these PL athletes it’s just terrible.

Whoever was giving the info to Hecky etc needs sacking. We now have a new recruitment team that hopefully understand these very basic points.

They watch a lot of footage of games on players allegedly

 

[alcoblade]

As much as I agree with most that it would be good to have a complete overall, we are so beind the 8 ball and we need to get recruitment done early. We haven't got time to bed in a new team..

I would be interested into why Mike Allen left boro and what players he had a hand in bringing in.

Jamie Hoyland intrigues me as Everton have always scouted round in division below for a bargain like DCL. Hopefully at everton there will be a few more that he has scouted and already got the down low on.

Mike Allen left as the whole management team was sacked. He wouldn’t come back as an analyst due to the uncertainty over the job (they don’t get paid lots unlike other member of the management team) and I’m sure this has had something to do with the promotion.

 

[BobblesBlade]

I get you're joking but in Yasser, Bennie, Souza and Gribic... we sorta do

I agree on the players you mentioned but I’m sure Hamer will be sold if an offer comes in.

But I’m not joking.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Who's Hoyland been feytin with?

 

[Harry's Game]

This all feels like the Prince has given up running United so he's expecting Wilder to do it for him.

Yep

 

[Berkshire Blade]

There is no point putting in a expensive recruitment set up when the owner is intending to sell and for it just to be ripped up by a owner with new ideas.

Anyone claiming to know how successful or not this set up is going to be is bluffing. Majority of us have no idea how the various roles work and how much is really down to the budget regardless of any talent in the set up.

 

[BalticBlade]

Lots of good points in this thread.

I'm not sure there's anyone at the club who is focussing on anything other than the very short-term. On a personal level, there's no point Wilder making any decisions that will pay off in anything more than 6-12 months time. His career trajectory is currently going the wrong way and he needs to (a) hold onto this job and (b) get us promoted or as close to it as possible next season. I can't imagine he cares about anything much beyond that.

At a board / ownership level, we've got Bettis whose priority is keeping the Prince happy not making the club better and then a disinterested (at best) board and owner who have shown that they don't really understand how football works and have made bad decisions regarding contracts and delaying payments which have cost us dearly.

I hope our next owner, regardless of their wealth, is more mentally and emotionally invested in the club and actually looks to put some foundations in place and transform us into a club that is more strategic and has a clear direction.

Coops know his onions.

 

[secretchief]

The Wilder ness years

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Awesome another Bladey McBladey hire and Wilder surrounds himself with another buddy (at best) / yes man (at worse).

Seriously, I do this shit for a living, and if one of our MDs was hiring his mates/former colleagues into senior roles, we'd be raising serious objections.

Interesting. We've just had an entirely new Exco over the space of 9 months, most of the hires have previous working history with the CEO.

I get all of that, and if it were bringing his mate Wit in to put cones out and collect bibs, I've no issue.

However, these two roles should be completely and utterly independent of the First Team Coach and should be buying players to a long term strategic plan that over-rides the coach/manager. It's 2024 and it's how the likes of Brentford, Brighton, Fulham (I could go on) have built sustained success.

Can you see either of these two telling Wilder £20m for Brewster is a really bad idea, or that Ollie Burke is a lost cause??

The biggest issue for me though, is we're now a Wilder tantrum away from the whole club having no infrastructure....

Again, only from my own experience, but I'm much more likely to successfully challenge something to someone I get on well with at work than with someone who I don't have a strong relationship with. You can constructively challenge, and if you're respected in your role when you do challenge it makes them take stock and give proper consideration. Again, if they don't trust/like/believe in you, they'll just see you as a barrier to smash through and put their foot to the floor.

 

[HarryHaslam]

Who's Hoyland been feytin with?
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It’s a birth mark

 

[Harry's Game]

New recruitment team discusses prospective targets..

 

[Bladezz]

They watch a lot of footage of games on players allegedly

I understand I’m not trying to bash anyone here. But the outcome has been poor. So something needed to change.

 

[alcoblade]

The Wilder ness years

What would you say is so different now to the years that delivered us our most exciting (and successful) period in living history?

 

[Snowflake]

Awesome another Bladey McBladey hire and Wilder surrounds himself with another buddy (at best) / yes man (at worse).

Seriously, I do this shit for a living, and if one of our MDs was hiring his mates/former colleagues into senior roles, we'd be raising serious objections.

Depends on whether the “mate” is better at the job than other candidates

 

[secretchief]

What would you say is so different now to the years that delivered us our most exciting (and successful) period in living history?

Time moving forwards rather than backwards

Of course I hope it works, just seems like this has all the hallmarks of being bad rather than good

 

[Carlton Blade]

That takes some serious investment but you are right.

This whole idea Wilder career on a huge trajectory downward Is a bit far fetched. Since he left us he did excellent at Boro for one season. Terrible for 10 games and got the bullet. Signed some good players and brought them in over £30m in transfer fees. While he was courted by Premier league clubs at the time of his first season which was one of the main factors for his sacking and rightly so.

They should have sacked him at the time with the worst interview in history where he was heavily linked going to Burnley and Bournemouth.

He'd failed to get jobs at Reading and Portsmouth prior to United hiring him. Fairly or not, he's seen as difficult to work with and his record over his last 2 real jobs is mixed at best, leaving both clubs towards the bottom of the table and falling out with fans/owners.

 

[alcoblade]

Time moving forwards rather than backwards

Of course I hope it works, just seems like this has all the hallmarks of being bad rather than good

I don’t things move that quickly, in reality. Of course in the heads of most in the football world, everyone has got 6 months before they’re either written off or declared as the second coming. That’s the actual problem, not the reality,

I’m not remotely inspired by the new setup (so far), but we seem to have moved on to believe we need a Brentford style analytics setup (which we can’t afford), when in the very recent past we were very successful with something similar to what we have now.

 

[secretchief]

I don’t things move that quickly, in reality. Of course in the heads of most in the football world, everyone has got 6 months before they’re either written off or declared as the second coming. That’s the actual problem, not the reality,

I’m not remotely inspired by the new setup (so far), but we seem to have moved on to believe we need a Brentford style analytics setup (which we can’t afford), when I’m the recent past we were very successful with something similar to what we have now.

In the presser today Wilder said Allen's background is video analysis and then mentioned statistics just in passing, so I don't see us using that approach unless that is the person they said they are still bringing in

 

[TJ blade]

My thing is how many times did Hecky go to Sweden to watch Traore? The answer is most likely zero. So it’s hard to put any blame onto him. He’s only receiving feedback from whoever.

This is why signing foreign players is always very high risk. My issue with the signings this season is just they are the wrong profile totally.

Traore 5ft 0 and 6 stone wet through… how many of these players do well in the PL? How many players come from Sweden second division and do well? Everything points to he’s not going to do well and yet we go for it.

Same with Vini got some good attributes but cannot run around like these PL athletes it’s just terrible.

Whoever was giving the info to Hecky etc needs sacking. We now have a new recruitment team that hopefully understand these very basic points.

Hopefully there not at the club anymore, but it was obvious all of the signings were way out of there depth, and eventually watching them became fucking embarrassing!

 

[alcoblade]

In the presser today Wilder said Allen's background is video analysis and then mentioned statistics just in passing, so I don't see us using that approach unless that is the person they said they are still bringing in

I was led to believe the future approach will be much more analytically based - and I think that’s what we’re shaping it up to be - hence an analysts becoming the head of recruitment (that, and being cheap and available ). It’s just that the level of it will be miles behind what many are hoping for - just financial reality.

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

Who's Hoyland been feytin with?
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He’s got a bit of a squishy face. Hope he can see the prospects with his mince pies scrunched up.

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

Who's Hoyland been feytin with?
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Looks like he’s sat in front of a Swastika as well.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Interesting. We've just had an entirely new Exco over the space of 9 months, most of the hires have previous working history with the CEO.


Again, only from my own experience, but I'm much more likely to successfully challenge something to someone I get on well with at work than with someone who I don't have a strong relationship with. You can constructively challenge, and if you're respected in your role when you do challenge it makes them take stock and give proper consideration. Again, if they don't trust/like/believe in you, they'll just see you as a barrier to smash through and put their foot to the floor.

Fair play, but that runs totally contrary to my experience of working for two large US conglomerates. Their ethos was/is growth is achieved through diversity of thinking and challenging the status quo.

Nothing I've seen or heard about our 'new' internal infrastructure convinces me that we're going to be anything different.

And the biggest issue still remains, if Wilder decides he wants to walk, the entire infrastructure walks with him. And even purely from a risk perspective, from a contract renewal negotiation perspective, the club is in a corner....

 

[FTPE]

I agree on the players you mentioned but I’m sure Hamer will be sold if an offer comes in.

But I’m not joking.

What because he's foreign and Wilder doesn't like players that don't like Peroni?
We won't sell him unless we get a huge offer, but do you genuinely mean Wilder won't want him because he's not British?

 

[ATL Recs]

Fair play, but that runs totally contrary to my experience of working for two large US conglomerates. Their ethos was/is growth is achieved through diversity of thinking and challenging the status quo.

Nothing I've seen or heard about our 'new' internal infrastructure convinces me that we're going to be anything different.

And the biggest issue still remains, if Wilder decides he wants to walk, the entire infrastructure walks with him. And even purely from a risk perspective, from a contract renewal negotiation perspective, the club is in a corner....

Bang on