Do you trust Wilder to rebuild the squad?

[crazyblade1889]

Our best players this season.

BBD on loan was signed by him.

So his ability to find good players is clear isn’t it?

Loan signings are usually easier to get right as they are coming in from bigger clubs and have a lot less riding on the signing as they will be leaving shortly so even if they aren’t very good you aren’t stuck with them for long.
Grbic is the only permanent signing Wilder has made so far in his 2nd tenure. How’s he doing??

 

[Bladezz]

Loan signings are usually easier to get right as they are coming in from bigger clubs and have a lot less riding on the signing as they will be leaving shortly so even if they aren’t very good you aren’t stuck with them for long.
Grbic is the only permanent signing Wildee has made so far. How’s he doing??

Everyone with any knowledge knows Wilder is brexit football. We all know your huge agenda and I’m ashamed of myself for even replying to you.

BBD is our best player brought in by Wilder.

If Wilder is amazing at loans, then that’s excellent news as we will probably do 5 loans next season. So you’ll be happy he staying!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Fuck sake not this again!!

It’s really very simple.

This owner has no money, the club is skint.

That means he has no money to fund a new manager. No money to recruit a whole new squad that can play a different style of play.

Fans- expectations are high given the fact we’ve had 5 years of premier league money and heading into the championship, the last time we tried this same thing with Slav, failed to get his players in we had to sack him and go back to the previous plan to save a relegation fight!

Preparation for 24/25- ignore the shit and bluster, United knew full well they were goners when Wilder came in. We were so bad we could never get enough players in to impact enough in January as we had no budget to do that. We got some in…just to appease the fans and see off a likely revolt! But it was effectively lip service. They have been making plans for months to get ready for next season.
Now I accept that is likely to be shit prep as it’s SUFC, but it’s prep nonetheless!!

So- new manager means we rip up plans made.
Have to relook at the squad and identify new targets. If you do t want to do this you may as well stick with Wilder.
To be ready for next season start will be delayed. We will be needing to recruit a coach team again…how long does that usually take us?? And remember, the prem season finishes a few weeks after our future Championship rivals so we are behind already.
Remind me how this season started when we were so badly prepared!

So it boils down to this- it’s too late to change the manager. If we were to try and change the club too to bottom the time was when we sacked Hecky. Because I can assure everyone now, if we sack Wilder now we will be relegated next season.its going to be hard enough as it is to put right the mismanagement by the board over the last 3 years and Wilder will do well to have us competing mid table next season.

The board will need to hope we are somewhere close by January and then able to push for a play off spot because I suspect without prem money, even for one season, PA is screwed.

Spot on grizzly agree with most of that .Still think we can have a crack next season we aren't as bad as results suggest ! Right kind of surgery and recruitment ! We go again next season in my opinion.

 

[crazyblade1889]

Everyone with any knowledge knows Wilder is brexit football. We all know your huge agenda and I’m ashamed of myself for even replying to you.

BBD is our best player brought in by Wilder.

If Wilder is amazing at loans, then that’s excellent news as we will probably do 5 loans next season. So you’ll be happy he staying!

I have an agenda against a Sheffield United manager? What a daft thing to say. I don’t know the bloke so let’s not make it personal. I don’t think he’s a good manager and I don’t think he should have been brought back to the club but there’s no agenda.

I didn’t say amazing with loans I said they are easier to get right. Hecky also brought in some good loans as did Slav. The club has generally done well with domestic loans over recent years but the problem with loans is it’s very short-termism and every year we have to start from scratch. Much better to bring in permanent players and produce youth players and I wouldn’t trust Wilder with this at all.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I trust Wilder to rebuild - I don’t trust the Prince and the board to support him to rebuild properly.

 

[crazyblade1889]

I trust Wilder to rebuild - I don’t trust the Prince and the board to support him to rebuild properly.

You’re talking shit. The board has supported him many times and he’s blown the lot on shit players.

 

[Bladezz]

I have an agenda against a Sheffield United manager? What a daft thing to say. I don’t know the bloke so let’s not make it personal. I don’t think he’s a good manager and I don’t think he should have been brought back to the club but there’s no agenda.

I didn’t say amazing with loans I said they are easier to get right. Hecky also brought in some good loans as did Slav. The club has generally done well with domestic loans over recent years but the problem with loans is it’s very short-termism and every year we have to start from scratch. Much better to bring in permanent players and produce youth players and I wouldn’t trust Wilder with this at all.

You don’t trust wilder with youth players is arguably the most stupid thing you’ve ever written.

Wilder has sold and been involved with DCL and David Brooks sales. He has come straight back in and started Andre Brooks and brought in Arblaster as the previous manager decided he wasn’t good enough to play for Sheffield United. Wilder was trying to get Illiman to sign a new deal before he was sacked.

We earnt huge profit on Ramsdale within one season.

Some of Wilder’s best signings have been players who are young like Henderson and JoC.

Your agenda is not personal just idiotic. Your point has been destroyed. I have no problem in you deleting it from your post and pretending you didn’t say the most stupidest thing on this forum.

 

[Black Cloud]

Doesn't make sense? I just said exactly where the blame lies, these players are not so bad they should concede over 100 goals with more still to come.

Let's take an example of a manager who has been failing miserably in recent years and was sacked by a relegation threatened Spanish team himself a couple of months ago. Does anyone seriously believe that Rafa Benitez would have allowed us to be humiliated like this week after week? We'd have been bored to tears admittedly, but under the circumstances what would have been better - boredom or ritual disembowelling?

There are dozens of coaches in Europe who would have made at least a credible defensive unit out of the players we have and at least some shreds of pride might have been salvaged from the wreckage.

I’m in the Wilders time is up brigade, however, I would have zero confidence in us appointing a suitable foreign coach based on our catalogue our disastrous selections when signing foreign players. I do think the right British coach would work but who?

 

[Bell4]

Fuck sake not this again!!

It’s really very simple.

This owner has no money, the club is skint.

That means he has no money to fund a new manager. No money to recruit a whole new squad that can play a different style of play.

Fans- expectations are high given the fact we’ve had 5 years of premier league money and heading into the championship, the last time we tried this same thing with Slav, failed to get his players in we had to sack him and go back to the previous plan to save a relegation fight!

Preparation for 24/25- ignore the shit and bluster, United knew full well they were goners when Wilder came in. We were so bad we could never get enough players in to impact enough in January as we had no budget to do that. We got some in…just to appease the fans and see off a likely revolt! But it was effectively lip service. They have been making plans for months to get ready for next season.
Now I accept that is likely to be shit prep as it’s SUFC, but it’s prep nonetheless!!

So- new manager means we rip up plans made.
Have to relook at the squad and identify new targets. If you do t want to do this you may as well stick with Wilder.
To be ready for next season start will be delayed. We will be needing to recruit a coach team again…how long does that usually take us?? And remember, the prem season finishes a few weeks after our future Championship rivals so we are behind already.
Remind me how this season started when we were so badly prepared!

So it boils down to this- it’s too late to change the manager. If we were to try and change the club too to bottom the time was when we sacked Hecky. Because I can assure everyone now, if we sack Wilder now we will be relegated next season.its going to be hard enough as it is to put right the mismanagement by the board over the last 3 years and Wilder will do well to have us competing mid table next season.

The board will need to hope we are somewhere close by January and then able to push for a play off spot because I suspect without prem money, even for one season, PA is screwed.

Great post

Take a bow

 

[crazyblade1889]

You don’t trust wilder with youth players is arguably the most stupid thing you’ve ever written.

Wilder has sold and been involved with DCL and David Brooks sales. He has come straight back in and started Andre Brooks and brought in Arblaster as the previous manager decided he wasn’t good enough to play for Sheffield United. Wilder was trying to get Illiman to sign a new deal before he was sacked.

We earnt huge profit on Ramsdale within one season.

Some of Wilder’s best signings have been players who are young like Henderson and JoC.

Your agenda is not personal just idiotic. Your point has been destroyed. I have no problem in you deleting it from your post and pretending you didn’t say the most stupidest thing on this forum.

Haha.

In his first stint at the club the only player promoted through the youth academy was David Brooks, and we sold DCL for 1.5m, Ramsdale for 1m (then brought back for 18m), and Che Adams for 3m. Nydiae was at the club but didn’t play until after Wilder left. Hecky then promoted Osula, Heckford, and Jebbison.

Brooks was already playing prior to Wilder coming in. This has been a great opportunity to promote other young players as the season has gone but the only one who has played has been Blaster who has clearly been put in the shop window to sell at the first opportunity.

 

[Tony Currie]

Unfortunately the performances under Wilder are really no better than Heckys. I appreciate the quality of players he inherited. I think a big clear out is needed from the top to the bottom. We have some good youngsters who need to be given a chance, but developed sensibly. Then a splattering of experience and a few quality ones. It's really not rocket science

Totally wrong. We now look like scoring and our XG has improved immeasurably. Just the defence to sort...

 

[crazyblade1889]

You don’t trust wilder with youth players is arguably the most stupid thing you’ve ever written.

Wilder has sold and been involved with DCL and David Brooks sales. He has come straight back in and started Andre Brooks and brought in Arblaster as the previous manager decided he wasn’t good enough to play for Sheffield United. Wilder was trying to get Illiman to sign a new deal before he was sacked.

We earnt huge profit on Ramsdale within one season.

Some of Wilder’s best signings have been players who are young like Henderson and JoC.

Your agenda is not personal just idiotic. Your point has been destroyed. I have no problem in you deleting it from your post and pretending you didn’t say the most stupidest thing on this forum.

If Wilder had promoted more youth players in his second season in the prem then we could have avoided costly signings like Brewster when we already had players at the club who were better in the academy such as Ndyiae and Jebbison

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

No other choice unfortunately, if you sack him you have to do that now.

 

[Bladezz]

Haha.

In his first stint at the club the only player promoted through the youth academy was David Brooks, and we sold DCL for 1.5m, Ramsdale for 1m (then brought back for 18m), and Che Adams for 3m. Nydiae was at the club but didn’t play until after Wilder left. Hecky then promoted Osula, Heckford, and Jebbison.

Brooks was already playing prior to Wilder coming in. This has been a great opportunity to promote other young players as the season has gone but the only one who has played has been Blaster who has clearly been put in the shop window to sell at the first opportunity.

Blaster was sent on loan by previous management.

Wilder come in new 5 year deal and made him captain.

But Wilder would be bad for our youth team.

You’ve said stupid things on here but that point on the youth was by far the stupidest thing you’ve ever written.

I still think you delete it and we don’t mention it again. More just to save you some face.

 

[crazyblade1889]

You don’t trust wilder with youth players is arguably the most stupid thing you’ve ever written.

Wilder has sold and been involved with DCL and David Brooks sales. He has come straight back in and started Andre Brooks and brought in Arblaster as the previous manager decided he wasn’t good enough to play for Sheffield United. Wilder was trying to get Illiman to sign a new deal before he was sacked.

We earnt huge profit on Ramsdale within one season.

Some of Wilder’s best signings have been players who are young like Henderson and JoC.

Your agenda is not personal just idiotic. Your point has been destroyed. I have no problem in you deleting it from your post and pretending you didn’t say the most stupidest thing on this forum.

If we had trusted Ramsdale at a young age then their would have been no need for expensive signings throughout his tenure and certainly no need to buy a keeper for 18m (the same one who had been sold a couple of years previously!)

 

[Bladezz]

If we had trusted Ramsdale at a young age then their would have been no need for expensive signings throughout his tenure and certainly no need to buy a keeper for 18m (the same one who had been sold a couple of years previously!)

Ramsdale is the worst example you could choose.

We sold Ramsdale to Bournemouth , Wilder then got us promotion which allowed us to buy our asset back.

Who then turned into another huge profit after one season with Wilder he went from Bournemouth to Champions league with Arsenal. While blades made a huge profit.

Mate please just stop I’m getting embarrassed for you. You must still be enjoying your Saturday night so will leave you too sleep it off.

 

[crazyblade1889]

Blaster was sent on loan by previous management.

Wilder come in new 5 year deal and made him captain.

But Wilder would be bad for our youth team.

You’ve said stupid things on here but that point on the youth was by far the stupidest thing you’ve ever written.

I still think you delete it and we don’t mention it again. More just to save you some face.

Ever heard the saying the exception does not prove the rule? Yes he promoted Blaster but that’s one example and I’ve given you plenty more above.

 

[Bladezz]

Ever heard the saying the exception does not prove the rule? Yes he promoted Blaster but that’s one example and I’ve given you plenty more above.

And I’ve absolutely destroyed them too

 

[crazyblade1889]

Ramsdale is the worst example you could choose.

We sold Ramsdale to Bournemouth , Wilder then got us promotion which allowed us to buy our asset back.

Who then turned into another huge profit after one season with Wilder he went from Bournemouth to Champions league with Arsenal. While blades made a huge profit.

Mate please just stop I’m getting embarrassed for you. You must still be enjoying your Saturday night so will leave you too sleep it off.

So selling a player for 1m and buying him back for 18m is good business?? Jesus wept. Yes we sold him for a profit but if we had promoted him from the academy rather than selling him first opportunity that profit would have been a lot more!

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Had a good chat about this with a few pals after today's shitshow.

I personally feel that it'd be best if Wilder departed after the season is over. I feel like we need a fresh face with fresh ideas (and a fresh formation...is anyone else bored of 3-5-2?) to give the club a jump start.

A complete overhaul is needed and I fear that Wilder may tarnish his legacy if he doesn't get it right over the summer. His record on transfers is very 50/50. Fleck, Rodwell, Duffy, Holmes, Norwood, Leonard, McGoldrick, Burke... I'm not 100% confident that he can bring the personnel in to rebuild us.

On the other hand, people pointed out to me that he will know exactly what we need. He knows the club, knows what we expect from a Sheffield United performance and knows how to get value for money (to quote a pal "I trust Wilder wi no money more than when he's got some"). I agree with that to some extent.

We were pretty split on this question so I'm curious to hear what others think.

Been saying this for a while, In an ideal world we should be getting rid of Wilder and start a fresh, it does need a refresh, but while ever the Prince is here it isn’t going to happen.

This formation is done and become boring, it would be so refreshing to watch a team play with wingers!!
Wilder has no plan b, how can there be no wingers at the club??

 

[Bladezz]

So selling a player for 1m and buying him back for 18m is good business?? Jesus wept. Yes we sold him for a profit but if we had promoted him from the academy rather than selling him first opportunity than profit would have been a lot more!

You do realise. Wilder had him and turned him from an academy player to a 7 figure player.

Selling the player isn’t down to Wilder… surely you understand that? Otherwise no manager would ever sell a player.

Ramsdale enjoyed working with Wilder so he came back. So youth players seem to like working with Wilder. Which again destroys your original post.

I like a debate on here but this is the worse one I’ve ever experienced.

 

[crazyblade1889]

You do realise. Wilder had him and turned him from an academy player to a 7 figure player.

Selling the player isn’t down to Wilder… surely you understand that? Otherwise no manager would ever sell a player.

Ramsdale enjoyed working with Wilder so he came back. So youth players seem to like working with Wilder. Which again destroys your original post.

I like a debate on here but this is the worse one I’ve ever experienced.

This year Osula has played a bit part yet offers considerably more than loan players like Archer. Yet gets over looked constantly. Same with Jebbison, Hackford etc. Let’s see if he plays 5/6 players from the academy next season then shall we? I bet he doesn’t. It’ll be mostly loan signings/free transfers while the players in the academy get overlooked.

 

[Carlton Blade]

This year Osula has played a bit part yet offers considerably more than loan players like Archer. Yet gets over looked constantly. Same with Jebbison, Hackford etc. Let’s see if he plays 5/6 players from the academy next season then shall we? I bet he doesn’t. It’ll be mostly loan signings/free transfers while the players in the academy get overlooked.

Osula has done ok-ish as an impact sub a couple of times. He desperately needs to be starting games a level he can compete at.

Archer has been inconsistent but saying he's offered less than Osula is silly

 

[crazyblade1889]

Osula has done ok-ish as an impact sub a couple of times. He desperately needs to be starting games a level he can compete at.

Archer has been inconsistent but saying he's offered less than Osula is silly

Archer isn’t going to be here next season. He clearly wants out. Osula will be and as you say needs games. So why not start the player that’s ours and give him games rather than Archer?

 

[Blade56]

Biggest mistake Prince will ever make if he puts the club's future on the pitch in Wilder and Knills hands.

It’s one of those crucial moments in the clubs history. Don’t be lazy, clear the decks and get a young exciting manager pigs, Ipswich, et al Sunderland after Still have / will show how it can be done. Wilder will fish in a pond limited by funds and his own self imposed limited view on building a squad with players that fit his limited criteria.

He can’t even stop heavy defeats, Hecky did a far better job and he was a mistake. FFS don’t leave us at his “Mamouth” ways

 

[Carlton Blade]

Archer isn’t going to be here next season. He clearly wants out. Osula will be and as you say needs games. So why not start the player that’s ours and give him games rather than Archer?

Because he can't compete at this level. It's verging on a waste of time him starting games.

Agree he should be getting a minimum of the last 15/20 minutes.

 

[JohnDenver]

Archer isn’t going to be here next season. He clearly wants out. Osula will be and as you say needs games. So why not start the player that’s ours and give him games rather than Archer?

if you start picking a first XI that doesn’t give you the very best chance of winning, especially when you’re already horribly outmatched, then you’ve really lost the plot.

Archer just is far ahead of Osula.

 

[crazyblade1889]

Because he can't compete at this level. It's verging on a waste of time him starting games.

Agree he should be getting a minimum of the last 15/20 minutes.

He’ll never be ready if he doesn’t get the games. He needs to learn his craft. All we are doing currently is giving other teams players minutes in the premier league which will make them better players for when they go back to their own clubs. We’re down. Play players who will be here next year!

 

[Carlton Blade]

He’ll never be ready if he doesn’t get the games. He needs to learn his craft. All we are doing currently is giving other teams players minutes in the premier league which will make them better players for when they go back to their own clubs. We’re down. Play players who will be here next year!

We tried to win that game yesterday, and Burnley. They were 'big' games. I do think the last 2 will see some more line up changes

 

[Nick Jansky]

So we simply are not going to attract anyone other than Hecky or Wilder who would work under these conditions.

I keep reading this nonsense. And it is complete bullshit. Many bright young coaches would jump at the chance to work for us. The Pigs attracted Danny Rohl when they were in a far worse situation, FFS. Do you really think Rob Edwards wouldn’t have come to us before he joined Luton?