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Coventry should be in the final another big toe job. VAR. wasn’t bright in for that. Premier League will destroy itself sooner the betterDon’t tell me that after that VAR this is not CORRUPT AS FUCK
Exactly that, you really couldn't call it and i actually thought the Ref's gave the doubt to the forward? Not if its against a Manc team thou ehCoventry should be in the final another big toe job. VAR. wasn’t bright in for that. Premier League will destroy itself sooner the better
Trouble is, it won’t destroy itself. It’s too valuable to the money men to allow that. It will eventually reduce the teams and exclude those without funding. Fuck em. Simply not my game any more. I used to be bothered about it. But I’d rather an honest competition now.Coventry should be in the final another big toe job. VAR. wasn’t bright in for that. Premier League will destroy itself sooner the better
Don’t tell me that after that VAR this is not CORRUPT AS FUCK
That this is from the official Forest twitter account (x account, whatever we say now), is amazing. It probably won't be around for long.
The point is that according to VAR's best, but possibly wrong, estimate, the Coventry man's big toe was an inch or two off. It would have been the same the other way round.Exactly that, you really couldn't call it and i actually thought the Ref's gave the doubt to the forward? Not if its against a Manc team thou eh
We played Palace in the cup and Peschidolido scored a goal and it must have been a yard off and the linesman missed it.The point is that according to VAR's best, but possibly wrong, estimate, the Coventry man's big toe was an inch or two off. It would have been the same the other way round.
VAR did exactly what it was designed for. It disallowed a goal that would once have been legal, it caused a long delay, it killed the excitement, it made the linesman irrelevant, and it meant that we are talking about VAR instead of talking about football. The people who designed this system are sitting happily knowing that they have changed the game. They probably think they have improved things.
That this is from the official Forest twitter account (x account, whatever we say now), is amazing. It probably won't be around for long.
VAR did exactly what it was designed for. It disallowed a goal that would once have been legal,The point is that according to VAR's best, but possibly wrong, estimate, the Coventry man's big toe was an inch or two off. It would have been the same the other way round.
VAR did exactly what it was designed for. It disallowed a goal that would once have been legal, it caused a long delay, it killed the excitement, it made the linesman irrelevant, and it meant that we are talking about VAR instead of talking about football. The people who designed this system are sitting happily knowing that they have changed the game. They probably think they have improved things.
In that "exact" situation I could live with it.Assuming you’re referring to the offside decision.
If Coventry score a ‘winning’ goal against us in the semi-final and their player is in an offside position, are you saying the same thing if it isn’t given as offside?
but why is a toe offside when other parts of the body like in this case the upper arm ie t shirt area is clearly leaning towards the goal and the chest which can be used to clear a ball, all VAR has brought is vagueness , even the nano second a ball leaves the foot is it say a toe nails length away when the video is stopped or is there a toe nails gap and from the angle of the photo when exactly is that point in time , is that a judgement call, man u defenders shoulder is several inches ahead of his foot and coventry player is leaning the other wayVAR did exactly what it was designed for. It disallowed a goal that would once have been legal,
Can't agree I'm afraid. VAR was bought in to correct "clear & obvious mistakes". When a decision has to be looked at under a microscope, lines drawn and minutes to make the decision that is not correcting a clear and obvious mistake. That "offside" is not visible with the naked eye in real time, with old fashioned slow motion or still frames.
Its beyond ridiculous. When you view the close up of the Man U players boot, the blue line is actually drawn OVER the front of his boot taking it 1 to 2 inches further back!!!!! As much as I detest Forest and find their "statement" highly embarrassing it is going to ruffle a few feathers at the FA.
The problem for me is that offside is not an objective decision when applied at that level of false accuracy. In the time taken for the ball to hit and then leave the foot of the player making the pass, the receiving player, when running through, will have travelled considerably further distance that that for which the Coventry player was adjudged offside. It’s an inaccurate measurement applied with meaningless accuracy.Love people using the "clear and obvious mistakes" line, which was used in relation to subjective decisions like fouls, then applying it to objective decisions like offside
its not about top club bias its about being 100 percent right which it clearly is notThe problem for me is that offside is not an objective decision when applied at that level of false accuracy. In the time taken for the ball to hit and then leave the foot of the player making the pass, the receiving player, when running through, will have travelled considerably further distance that that for which the Coventry player was adjudged offside. It’s an inaccurate measurement applied with meaningless accuracy.
If ever we needed an example of how VAR is killing the game, that semifinal was it. It was a fantastic second half that built up to be an epic climax of excitement in the last minute of extra time, only to be completely ruined by a decision that can only be guesswork ( for the reasons stated above) that could just have easily been wrong as right.
I don’t buy into the top club bias of the technology, but am fed up with it being used for purposes for which is was never designed and is not fit for. The offside rule was brought into the game to stop goal hanging, not to penalise runners for having a toenail over a perceived imaginary line.
and I think like goal line technology there should be the width of the actual goal lines graceNot A level geometry
Then what about the measurement of the pitch? Suppose one side is 110m and the other side is 111m. Ok maybe less differential but wheeler do you draw the line, literally? Distance from the goal? Which goal? Distance from the centre line
10 years as a ref I cant remember ever judging an offside over the width of a toenail, the whole general lump of a defender or attacker you just knewand I think like offside technology there should be the width of the actual goal lines grace
if it within that its onside
With goal line technology our 3rd goal in the world cup we won would not have counted ,but that was when if the back of the ball crossed the infield side of the line , not including the back bit
When I ran the line if you lost sight of the ball behind the post it was in now it has to be 4 inches over it
As much as I wanted Coventry to win he was offside.Coventry should be in the final another big toe job. VAR. wasn’t bright in for that. Premier League will destroy itself sooner the better
The point is that in 1990, the law was changed so that "level" became onside so as to give the forward an edge and to increase the number of goals. That was specifically stated in the laws as the reason for change.VAR did exactly what it was designed for. It disallowed a goal that would once have been legal,
Can't agree I'm afraid. VAR was bought in to correct "clear & obvious mistakes". When a decision has to be looked at under a microscope, lines drawn and minutes to make the decision that is not correcting a clear and obvious mistake. That "offside" is not visible with the naked eye in real time, with old fashioned slow motion or still frames.
Its beyond ridiculous. When you view the close up of the Man U players boot, the blue line is actually drawn OVER the front of his boot taking it 1 to 2 inches further back!!!!! As much as I detest Forest and find their "statement" highly embarrassing it is going to ruffle a few feathers at the FA.
Can someone pass this onto the stubborn fkers at the FA and Premier League. Common sense.We played Palace in the cup and Peschidolido scored a goal and it must have been a yard off and the linesman missed it.
This is what VAR was for.
Not A level geometry.
It all works on the basis that the lines are perfect and the release of the ball is perfect.
Then what about the measurement of the pitch? Suppose one side is 110m and the other side is 111m. Ok maybe less differential but wheeler do you draw the line, literally? Distance from the goal? Which goal? Distance from the centre line?
What about the frame of when it is kicked? At which point can you be sure the ball is struck and has fully left the foot, from the angle you have? Maybe you just don’t have that frame? Maybe the per second isn’t number of frames isn’t accurate enough?
One way around this is thicker lines though you will always get the on the line aspect. But at least a thicker line makes you realise the difference isn’t negligible. It was yesterday.
"objective, subjective" FFS. This is a game of football for christ's sake. Its a simple game, what have those two adjectives got to do with it?Love people using the "clear and obvious mistakes" line, which was used in relation to subjective decisions like fouls, then applying it to objective decisions like offside
"objective, subjective" FFS. This is a game of football for christ's sake. Its a simple game, what have those two adjectives got to do with it?
In England, they have to eat a sandwich. In Spain they probably just have tapas.its not about top club bias its about being 100 percent right which it clearly is not
there are too many variables
and it still baffles me I watch a lot of football here in Spain and VAR here all offsides are clearly sorted complete with lines within 30 seconds maximum , yet in the uk we see pictures without lines for 3 4 or even 5 minutes,then get a blurred picture with lines , and it begs the question why
Best solution to me would be just don't use lines at all. If you can't say with certainty by eye if they're on or off, just go with whatever the lino decided.One way around this is thicker lines though you will always get the on the line aspect. But at least a thicker line makes you realise the difference isn’t negligible. It was yesterday.
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