How much money would it cost to start a new club?

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

serious question.

and what would be the likely options where they could play?

 

[FleaPitBlade]

Its cost us about 120k all in to get Dronfield Town FC into to NECL which is where you'd start. That does include effectively building a suitable ground from scratch though. We don't pay any players but running costs are still in the tens of thousands per season. (travel, officials, hospitality, insurances etc etc)

 

[raul]

Its cost us about 120k all in to get Dronfield Town FC into to NECL which is where you'd start. That does include effectively building a suitable ground from scratch though. We don't pay any players but running costs are still in the tens of thousands per season. (travel, officials, hospitality, insurances etc etc)

Tickler, isn't it time you cashed in on the current mood by rattling off a "Knocker" range? Some car park action, closed down shops and burger vans, affordable housing surrounding the statues, that sort of thing?

 

[FleaPitBlade]

One is not in the habit of setting fire to ones own bridges!

 

[Finance Blade]

Maybe the knockers on here should be setting up a supporters trust to buy out the McCabe family.

 

[raul]

Maybe they're minded to wait until Administration so their hard earned goes towards providing for the future rather than rewarding failure and enriching an already very rich man?

 

[SwissBlade]

Maybe the knockers on here should be setting up a supporters trust to buy out the McCabe family.

What and actually take some action? Don't be daft! Most of them would far rather sit here pissing and whinging about it, demanding McCabe just throws away his money, but won't actually come up with any idea to seek a resolution let alone a revolution

 

[Wards]

To be fair Swiss I think most are advocating the opposite. Stop wasting money on terrible managerial decisions & payoffs, plus stop wasting your money on aging has-been players!

There's not too many actually asking him to go out and splash the cash - most of us understand that the club needs to become self sustainable before we can move forward again.

 

[SotonBlade]

Start a new club? I don't think we're even close to that stage as yet!

 

[Grecian2000]

Most of them would far rather sit here pissing and whinging about it, demanding McCabe just throws away his money, but won't actually come up with any idea to seek a resolution let alone a revolution

I gave my two penneth the other day.

Reduce the selling price to £1 and throw the ground into the deal. However, make the proviso that once we are back in the Premier League the money now owed gets paid back at £10m per season for every season we are receiving Premiership money. This means a minimum of £50m (1 top flight and 4 parachute) and a maximum to be agreed.
This means someone (even a fans consortium) can come in with no debt worries and can invest in the playing side of the club and McCabe can sit back and support his beloved Blades knowing his family will be the main beneficiaries of our return to the top flight when we can actually afford it.

As the alternative is either sell for £50m now (to who?) or keep on "investing" (how much more?) it seems there is no easy way out that is acceptable to enough people to make it happen.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

What and actually take some action? Don't be daft! Most of them would far rather sit here pissing and whinging about it, demanding McCabe just throws away his money, but won't actually come up with any idea to seek a resolution let alone a revolution

It is the inalienable right of every true Blade to piss and whinge - secure in the knowledge that our club could never win a whist drive, this motley assortment of miserable bastards will continue their campaign against the footballing gods until their name is called from above, and they move on to the great Ball Inn Ground in the sky.

Proud to be one of them,

George

 

[Racy]

Chairman of football clubs are always going to get stick we will never change things they will just take there course.
Things this season have upset me. but it probably lasts an hour tops.
I only come on this forum to read comments about the team and performances and sometimes put my opinions forward.
All the doom and gloom brigade amuse me.
The Mcabe haters to me are pure wind up merchants or have serious mental health issues.
So here,s to next season I have a feeling its going to get better

 

[alcoblade]

What and actually take some action? Don't be daft! Most of them would far rather sit here pissing and whinging about it, demanding McCabe just throws away his money, but won't actually come up with any idea to seek a resolution let alone a revolution

And there's sadly still some who will clap when we sell out top scorer at Christmas.

No shoes off were needed here - we just shouldn't have done it. Recognising that doesn't demand that you're an activist.

UTB

 

[SotonBlade]

I gave my two penneth the other day.

Reduce the selling price to £1 and throw the ground into the deal. However, make the proviso that once we are back in the Premier League the money now owed gets paid back at £10m per season for every season we are receiving Premiership money. This means a minimum of £50m (1 top flight and 4 parachute) and a maximum to be agreed.
This means someone (even a fans consortium) can come in with no debt worries and can invest in the playing side of the club and McCabe can sit back and support his beloved Blades knowing his family will be the main beneficiaries of our return to the top flight when we can actually afford it.

As the alternative is either sell for £50m now (to who?) or keep on "investing" (how much more?) it seems there is no easy way out that is acceptable to enough people to make it happen.

I quite like that idea!

 

[Ted Danson]

I gave my two penneth the other day.

Reduce the selling price to £1 and throw the ground into the deal. However, make the proviso that once we are back in the Premier League the money now owed gets paid back at £10m per season for every season we are receiving Premiership money. This means a minimum of £50m (1 top flight and 4 parachute) and a maximum to be agreed.
This means someone (even a fans consortium) can come in with no debt worries and can invest in the playing side of the club and McCabe can sit back and support his beloved Blades knowing his family will be the main beneficiaries of our return to the top flight when we can actually afford it.

As the alternative is either sell for £50m now (to who?) or keep on "investing" (how much more?) it seems there is no easy way out that is acceptable to enough people to make it happen.

What would happen though if after the club has been bought for a quid the new owners ended up putting it into admin before we reached the Prem. Wouldn't this debt to McCabe then be forfeit?

In which case I could see any unscrupulous new owners go into the champ then purposefully piss all their money away putting us into admin but keeping us in the champ with a good team then the year after aiming for promotion. If I were the new owners Id definitely think about doing this as it would save 50 Mil

 

[SwissBlade]

And there's sadly still some who will clap when we sell out top scorer at Christmas.

No shoes off were needed here - we just shouldn't have done it. Recognising that doesn't demand that you're an activist.

UTB

I think we've disagreed on this one on plenty of other threads, you thought it was a bad idea, I didn't and still don't believe that the reason for failure was Blackmans sale.

I do accept that the multiple players that were brought in to replace him and the lad we sent back to Man U have all failed (as well as the failure of the Man U lad, whose name I forget).

That said, there are few players in the side who've performed consistently at any point in the season

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't mind chairmen and owners getting stick, what I don't get is the perhaps unreasonable requests for them to move aside, leaving any money that they have put in in the hands of others who think they know better. The whole point of them being in the position that they are is because they have put the money in and bought the shares. Until someone or some people step in and buy those shares (At the sellers asking price, unfortunately) then it's difficult to demand anything realistic.

 

[alcoblade]

I think we've disagreed on this one on plenty of other threads, you thought it was a bad idea, I didn't and still don't believe that the reason for failure was Blackmans sale.

I do accept that the multiple players that were brought in to replace him and the lad we sent back to Man U have all failed (as well as the failure of the Man U lad, whose name I forget).

That said, there are few players in the side who've performed consistently at any point in the season

We had (pro rata) a 25 goal a season striker even after being shunted onto the wing, we were otherwise goal shy, and we sold him to the first bidder (even the player turned the first one down but "Hey, how can we stand it their way?").

I'm mistified as to why anyone would justify this or the bullshit excuse offered up by our owner - but that's another story - my point is that there were plenty who threw their dolly out at that point. That's just a vote for common sense, not a reeason to have to either hold your tongue or start a revolt.

UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

We had (pro rata) a 25 goal a season striker even after being shunted onto the wing, we were otherwise goal shy, and we sold him to the first bidder (even the player turned the first one down but "Hey, how can we stand it their way?").

I'm mistified as to why anyone would justify this or the bullshit excuse offered up by our owner - but that's another story - my point is that there were plenty who threw their dolly out at that point. That's just a vote for common sense, not a reeason to have to either hold your tongue or start a revolt.

UTB

Firstly there is no such thing as a pro rata goal scorer.
Secondly my reasoning was not to make excuses for the owner
Thirdly the first offer was a championship club, the second was a premier league club

 

[alcoblade]

Firstly there is no such thing as a pro rata goal scorer.
Secondly my reasoning was not to make excuses for the owner
Thirdly the first offer was a championship club, the second was a premier league club

Pro rata puts into context the rate at which he was scoring. We can just agree on the fact that he was our top scorer, Palace (2nd division), Sunderland and Reading (Premiership) wanted him. You can have your own reasoning of whay that's not good enough for us.

You do make excuses for the owner, constantly it seems to me. The groundwell of opinion against him isn't now from those who love to hate United, like Len or Micalijo - it's from (for example) fans who don't want to see our top scorer sold in the january window when we will have to pick up scraps to replace him. You have your own reasoning for justifying these actions.

The first offer was from palace in the 2nd division. Some of us still believe we can tell someone who only signed for us 4 months earlier, that they can wait until the summer and then we will allow them to leave (still less than 1 year in). Again, you have your own reasoning for justifying these actions, but it's not fair for you to swipe at those who are completely fucked off with the owner.

UTB

 

[Grecian2000]

Pro rata puts into context the rate at which he was scoring. We can just agree on the fact that he was our top scorer, Palace (2nd division), Sunderland and Reading (Premiership) wanted him. You can have your own reasoning of whay that's not good enough for us.

You do make excuses for the owner, constantly it seems to me. The groundwell of opinion against him isn't now from those who love to hate United, like Len or Micalijo - it's from (for example) fans who don't want to see our top scorer sold in the january window when we will have to pick up scraps to replace him. You have your own reasoning for justifying these actions.

The first offer was from palace in the 2nd division. Some of us still believe we can tell someone who only signed for us 4 months earlier, that they can wait until the summer and then we will allow them to leave (still less than 1 year in). Again, you have your own reasoning for justifying these actions, but it's not fair for you to swipe at those who are completely fucked off with the owner.

UTB

and relax!

Have a like for making me laugh. I can tell by your typing that you still haven't resolved your anger issues around this.

NB: I'm in total agreement by the way but reached your point of explosion long before and, therefore, this just made me shrug.

 

[alcoblade]

and relax!

Have a like for making me laugh. I can tell by your typing that you still haven't resolved your anger issues around this.

NB: I'm in total agreement by the way but reached your point of explosion long before and, therefore, this just made me shrug.

Is it obvious?

I'd given him so much benefit of the doubt before. This one was the one where I snapped.

"Hey, how can we stand in their way" .................."Oh shit, he's turned them down, now what do I say?......." Grrrrrrr



UTB

 

[Bladesway]

What and actually take some action? Don't be daft! Most of them would far rather sit here pissing and whinging about it, demanding McCabe just throws away his money, but won't actually come up with any idea to seek a resolution let alone a revolution

Yeah, old Kevs just great isn't he? Socket.

 

[Bladesway]

The first offer was a championship club, the second was a premier league club

And we accepted both.

 

[SwissBlade]

Pro rata puts into context the rate at which he was scoring. We can just agree on the fact that he was our top scorer, Palace (2nd division), Sunderland and Reading (Premiership) wanted him. You can have your own reasoning of whay that's not good enough for us.

You do make excuses for the owner, constantly it seems to me. The groundwell of opinion against him isn't now from those who love to hate United, like Len or Micalijo - it's from (for example) fans who don't want to see our top scorer sold in the january window when we will have to pick up scraps to replace him. You have your own reasoning for justifying these actions.

The first offer was from palace in the 2nd division. Some of us still believe we can tell someone who only signed for us 4 months earlier, that they can wait until the summer and then we will allow them to leave (still less than 1 year in). Again, you have your own reasoning for justifying these actions, but it's not fair for you to swipe at those who are completely fucked off with the owner.

UTB

I never said that I didn't want him, I never said that he didn't score goals, you know that full well. What I believed was that I didn't think he fitted in that well as a contributor to the team, the team didnt look balanced with him.

I have no reason to make excuses for the owner. I'm really not that interested in the owner and what he does. And I try as much as possible to look at the footballing issues and rather than listen to the rhetoric of the owner or those that constantly choose to blame the owner for everything and I mean everything.

As I said in Jan, if the money from a player is used wisely to strengthen with 2-3 players of this level then fine. Murphy was effectively Blackmans replacement, but he was unable to step up in the time given.

I also said in jan that what we need at this level is a team capable of winning league 1, in my opinion the players that we had and yes the ones that we brought in, should've on paper been capable of winning this division.

My opinion based on football perspective was that selling Blackman was right. What we did with the cash was theoretically right. In practice it wasnt. But as I said, it wasnt just the signings post Blackman that let themselves down, players like KMac, Flynn, Doyle and Kitson did too.

Now if you choose to bracket this as a McCabe loving clapper post, then that's your prerogative, but it'd be a misguided opinion of my posting.

 

[SwissBlade]

And we accepted both.

Yes, but as alco said, the player didn't. I just alluded to one potential reason why he accepted reading and not palace.

The club said that both bids met their valuation, we don't know what that was.

 

[Bladesman]

Maybe the knockers on here should be setting up a supporters trust to buy out the McCabe family.

That is not a bad idea but not sure we could all raise the silly money McCabe wants back.

 

[borbokis]

What league are sheffield FC playing in now?

 

[Bladesman]

What league are sheffield FC playing in now?

In a few years time they will be going past us and not on their team bus either.

 

[borbokis]

In a few years time they will be going past us and not on their team bus either.

I'm surprised they've never had any investment to be honest "worlds oldest football club". not many can match that claim