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Sheffsteel said:
Think you’re being incredibly naeve.

Not sure if you realise this but every single manager and every single player (including Billy Sharp and Kyle Walker) care more about themselves and their families much more than the club.

Also the Wilder hate makes me smile, it was covid times where everyone was mentally affected playing and working behind closed doors with zero fan interaction. We know Wilder used to enjoy unwinding by meeting his mates in the pub, all the pubs were shut with many living lives like a prisoner, no wonder he was stressed. Another point is only the Prince and Wilder know the truth, so if the Prince has kissed and made up, he’ll offer a contract protecting the club, so why can’t Blades have compassion, understanding and forgiveness?

Note: I’m not convinced about Wilder myself, it’s a risk, but I’m 99% confident he’ll do better than Hecky regards performances. Every half will be more like Wolves 2nd half. It offers advantages as he knows the players the club etc however it strikes me as possibly being short term ism, a sign of desperation but it’s nearing the stage where we are becoming desperate. We need a miracle to stay up and we’ve seen with our own eyes Wilder can perform miracles.
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I’m not being naive, I know plenty of football managers/coaches who were ex-players so I get the interest in money etc as it’s as short career.
the facts about Warnock are out there in black and white though, he did several things that put the club ahead of his own personal interests - both financially and in terms of building a competitive side in the short-term vs a longer term vision for the academy.

The problem for me comes when individuals state and promise things they would never do which they then go onto do - that’s hypocrisy and I can’t stand that.
I think it’s a desperate move by the Prince to bring CW back and I just can’t see it working but I guess we’ll see.
 
Harry's Game said:
He recommended the sale of Billy Sharp to Scunny as he thought he would never make it at Championship level and even sanctioned selling Jags to Milwall for £250k until an injury crises brought Jags into the first team and he finally realised what we had , I don’t think oversights come much bigger than that.
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They are football decisions though, I was talking about putting personal interests ahead of the club.
I’m not a massive fan of Warnock but I do think history should treat him a bit kinder when you look back at what he did for us.
 
fifty shades of blade said:
Well what I can say is I'm glad we never got Dyche on board, he's turned into a proper whiney always the victim bitch 🤣
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You can add Steve Cooper to that list. Spends every post-match interview trying his best to convince everyone that what they just watched wasn't really what they saw and that Forest were the better team and didn't deserve to lose. He actually complained yesterday that his team WERE actually given a penalty after a VAR review! He's a complete fucking tool and fits in nicely at that club.
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Rodley said:
I’m fully on board the Ian Evatt train, but I imagine it Hecky goes it will be a formality.
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Done a great job at Bolton the players are taking the piss with Hecky can’t see that happening with Evatt
 
The Crab said:
If it was going to be this weekend I think it’d have been done by now
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I’m baffled. Surely Saturday cannot be deemed to be acceptable? The threshold for minimum acceptable standards has been breached too many times. I think the management team can consider themselves fairly fortunate to have reached to this point following the 8 and 5, horrific statistics and neverending injury crisis.
 
Rodley said:
I’m fully on board the Ian Evatt train, but I imagine it Hecky goes it will be a formality.
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Seriously , you think a League 2 manager is the answer ? Didn't do a very successful move for Nathan Jones at Southampton ... Warnock for me - just till July 1st with the remit - get 13 points
 
ChrisDysonHT said:
Seriously , you think a League 2 manager is the answer ? Didn't do a very successful move for Nathan Jones at Southampton ... Warnock for me - just till July 1st with the remit - get 13 points
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Bolton are top of League 1.

Warnock just got potted at Huddersfield and he’s in his 70s. He was never Premier League 15 years ago let alone now.
 
Chilttheblade said:
No I read that but your last sentence said he would add something. He would add nothing.
He is a dinosaur who was a lucky manager who sold our future ( DCL, Ramsdale, Adams, Brooks among others) for short term gains. His player purchases determined our playing style since he left, with long term contracts making it difficult to buy better more flexible players .
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He is far from a dinosaur. I don’t pretend he was without flaws but what manager is? Most of them buy duds, most of them get sacked, most of them fuck stuff up.

I’m literally aghast at the amount of vitriol spouted by fans about someone who gave us the best football for many, many years and in the end went the way the vast majority go.

Never said he was the answer to the current situation, but I’m sure that we would at least have some sort of identifiable playing style and play with some belief and gumption.
 
Jacobsenthecrab said:
They are football decisions though, I was talking about putting personal interests ahead of the club.
I’m not a massive fan of Warnock but I do think history should treat him a bit kinder when you look back at what he did for us.
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Agree....Warnock does deserve much more respect.
Warnock did give us several great occasions but I also remember some terrible performances where it was aimless long ball stuff.
Also the annoying thing with Warnock was the constant excuses when we lose, he would always blame the ref, the pitch, the weather etc.

William Large said:
He is far from a dinosaur. I don’t pretend he was without flaws but what manager is? Most of them buy duds, most of them get sacked, most of them fuck stuff up.

I’m literally aghast at the amount of vitriol spouted by fans about someone who gave us the best football for many, many years and in the end went the way the vast majority go.

Never said he was the answer to the current situation, but I’m sure that we would at least have some sort of identifiable playing style and play with some belief and gumption.
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Agree even more......Wilder has produced the best, most consistent football I've seen from us in the last 50 years.
Nigel Adkins last game at home to Scunthorpe, think we lost 2-1, is the lowest I've ever felt supporting us
because it suddenly hit me, we could become another Bradford City or Notts County where we spend decades on the lower divisions.
When we appointed Wilder I had lost hope, wasn't exactly enthused but he proved me wrong.
That rise up the leagues, then we were in 6th place in March time, amazingly going for a European spot.

Under Bassett and Warnock we battled and worked harder than the opposition but the Wilder team played far superior teams off the park.
I'll never forget that so even now would personally thank Wilder and happily buy him a drink.

Think the issue with both Warnock and Wilder is they were both very bad losers.....but that's what made them winners.
Billy Sharp is another...can't stand losing....so competitve...that's why it's good to have players like that around the club.
 

jono_t2000 said:
I was firmly in the anyone but Wilder department.

However I'm now in the anyone but Hecky department.

If it has to be Wilder than so be it, not convinced it'll do much but I'll support him if he comes in.
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Well now it’s ruined it’s too late. The time for Wilder was before not now.
 
Agreed, nothing can be done now. We are the worst premier league side ever with an incompetent manager. He has to go but we are still down big time just need some hope for next season.
 
Its fair to say that Wilder despite his overall big success story with us the opinion of some of the fan base is that they would not welcome him back.

I can see the view about how he went although I'd always say it was clear from the interviews prior to his departure he was not in a good place.

So for some whether that be because of how he left or that for some of our fan base we seem to convince ourselves that once someone has left they were not as good as they actually were. (See Berge, N'Diaye, Ramsdale etc. I remember seeing some fans convinced Khadra on loan was going to be better than MGW)

However regardless of this, Wilder a bit like others have said doesn't mind a bit of "us against the world mentality."
It may actually give that extra drive and determination to prove people wrong.

This said of course, if Heckingbottom is still the manager tomorrow morning then I can't see a change before Burnley.
So if hecky is still here he needs to absolutely rocket the lads to press and fight. Whilst also making sure he picks a better line up.
 
Robby Blade said:
Maybe, but he had the bollocks to put on the shirt and run out in front of a crowd that six months earlier would have lynched him.
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Didn't realise madine was in the running to be manager? ;)
 
ChrisDysonHT said:
Seriously , you think a League 2 manager is the answer ? Didn't do a very successful move for Nathan Jones at Southampton ... Warnock for me - just till July 1st with the remit - get 13 points
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Seriously,Warnock. Talk about having no ambition,some of our supporters need to think about the future not the past,Warnock had how many years before he found success with us and when he did he waved the white flag just like Hecky is doing in the premiership. By the way,ask the Southampton supporters about Nathan jones,it’s my way or the highway,he tried turning a consistent football team into hoofers and would not listen to anyone.
 
Whoever the next manager is going to be we need him now, they can't do any worse Hecky and his coaching team have reached the end, I don't think he's lost the dressing room, but their time is up, take McCall, Lester & Hudson with you Paul, thanks, good luck in the future
 

Pintor75 said:
Whoever the next manager is going to be we need him now, they can't do any worse Hecky and his coaching team have reached the end, I don't think he's lost the dressing room, but their time is up, take McCall, Lester & Hudson with you Paul, thanks, good luck in the future
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You are right to question whether he has lost the dressing room, because at the end of the day this is something that supporters often trot out as a lazy excuse for teams not performing. But whether this trainwreck is down to tactical naivety on PH's part, or the player's inability to implement his plans is debatable. From what I have seen it appears to be a bit of both.

I will be astonished if he hasn't used up his last life now. Losing is fine, but as the old saying goes it is how you lose, and we are just lying down and having our bellies tickled most weeks. At the very least we need to get rid of Hudson, because he has single handedly destroyed the strongest area of the team.
 
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