Wilder by the looks of it

[Kizmet]

Excellent point, also I think Wilder is emotional, passionate, a winner who doesn't accept a drop in standards and he can't stand losing.
His teams could be playing away to Real Madrid and he'll still be setting out to win and will feel angry if his team doesn't give 100%.

Have the passion is a double edged sword.
When Wilder is winning, he oozes confidence and I think it effects all the people and players around him
when Wilder is losing, he takes it personal, prone to anger, tries even harder becoming even more determined.

When Wilder was manager non performances were very rare.
Can remember one performance, the 0-4 defeat away at Leicester, where we were terrible, lacking effort and ideas.
Think that was Wilder's last match. It was a very impressive spell, the best spell of matches/ performances I've seen in over 50 years.

However you would expect Wilder will have learnt so much from his spell here and the experiences at Middlesboro and Watford.
It's often said manager learn more from their failures than their successes, so he should now be a better manager than in his 1st spell.

think wilder had already gone before that leicester game if i remember rightly

 

[Blademan18891889]

think wilder had already gone before that leicester game if i remember rightly

Yes, correct, it was hecky in charge and it was 5-0

 

[SUFCinks]

Respectfully disagree. Nobody is going to build a footballing culture with this squad. We tried it with Slav and realised the squad wasn't able for it and we didn't have to money to fix it. We panicked and went for the steady appointment of heckingbottom. An angry man could be the best we could hope for in the short term untill next season when hopefully we can start building something different.

But why just kick the can down the road to next season when it might take 6/9 months to click. Why make next season the experiment when we can action it now? we are in a perfect situation where we are almost guaranteed to go down so absolutely no pressure. Next season there will be an expectation for us to compete at the top 6 from either the media, our fans, the club (finances) or all.

 

[SUFCinks]

I was having a pint with a Leeds supporting mate of mine a few weeks ago, and he asked "would you take Bielsa, as manager, if the opportunity came up?".

Interesting thought.

My pal was gutted when they got rid of him.

I would take him 100%

 

[William Large]

What we do know about Wilder
We played some of the best - if not the best football I have ever seen from my team.
Every player knew what they were doing and played to an actual system.
He smashed us out of league 1 and then through and out of the Championship, destroying some very good teams on the way.
He gave us our club back after years of dross.
He gave us our identify back and people spoke in glowing terms about us.
He made some bad decisions around recruitment and spent a lot of money on doing so. (Most managers buy shit players along the way)
He hasn’t set the world alight since he left.

What we don’t know about Wilder
Exactly what happened at the end of his tenure at the Blades. What the conversations were between him and the owner / board.

I really don’t get the toxic comments about him. Most managers ultimately fail in the end, regardless of who they are or what club they are at or what success they have had at that club. Most either get sacked or resign.

I don’t know if he is the answer to the current situation . I would hate for him to come back and tarnish his previous work (some say he already has..) but I know that we would probably have an identity, some personality and some bollocks about us.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Christ - I genuinely cannot believe we haven’t pulled the trigger yet.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

But wouldn’t that show incredibly character and fighting spirit, which is exactly what we need. Reminds me of when Gary Madine agreed to join us.

He was public enemy number 1 but quickly won the fans over. Suspect it would be the same with Wilder.

We can’t do any worse.
The problem with bringing in someone new now is he would likely be teinted for next season we fail to stay up with regular poor performances.

As mentioned earlier, morale might be so low at the end of the season that it might be better to wait until close to the end of the season so the club is given a lift regards the new season in the Championship.

Gary Madine never won me over. Absolute tosser.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

I think most fans realise these are the only 2 half decent managers that would join a club with ropey finances and an owner that wants to sell. Who else of any quality would be mug enough to take the job on?

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

Absolutely my view too. We seem to be stuck with the mindset of the gritty underdog who aren’t quite up to the required skill levels for the Premiership but will battle to the last man in honourable defeat, with (hopefully) some notable scalps through the season.

It’s our default setting but it’s a failure of ambition.

UTB !

 

[BladeInIreland]

But why just kick the can down the road to next season when it might take 6/9 months to click. Why make next season the experiment when we can action it now? we are in a perfect situation where we are almost guaranteed to go down so absolutely no pressure. Next season there will be an expectation for us to compete at the top 6 from either the media, our fans, the club (finances) or all.

You say there will be no pressure but reality is if we don't see an upturn in at least the performances then people will get in the new managers back. No new manager would benefit from over half a season of getting battered. To implement the change needed the majority of these players wouldn't be involved anyway so don't see a benefit to getting in early.

 

[Weasel]

Christ - I genuinely cannot believe we haven’t pulled the trigger yet.

Me neither. Was certain that if not last night, then the axe would have been swung today. Then i remembered that the owner probably doesn't give a rat's fuck. Bordering on negligence that PH is still SUFC manager.

 

[Davalon]

Just what we need, a manager who can't stand losing, never accepts any blame on himself, criticises players publicly, isn't a fan of foreign players and struggled in this league last time with a squad not good enough.

Just the ticket for a team with a number of foreign players, who know they aren't good enough for this league and are low on confidence.

 

[S64 Blade]

Absolutely my view too. We seem to be stuck with the mindset of the gritty underdog who aren’t quite up to the required skill levels for the Premiership but will battle to the last man in honourable defeat, with (hopefully) some notable scalps through the season.

It’s our default setting but it’s a failure of ambition.

UTB !

I think the suggestion is more based on the fact that we are skint and it’s the best we can get until we get a new owner.

 

[71Blade]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

My reply isn't a dig as i agree with most of your post however quote ..We won’t play with freedom or creativity. When has this happened anytime this season? We are shocking and cannot compete in this division. Yesterday we were blown away by a bottom half team it wasn't Liverpool or City it was with respect Bournemouth. We were made to look like mugs they were fitter stronger and wanted it more we rolled over again had our Tummys tickled. We need a change. Agreed yes we will go down but at least do it with a bit of effort please.

 

[Bladedog]

Wilder or warlock.. is that the general consensus...fuck me the fans are as blinkered as the board..

 

[71Blade]

Just what we need, a manager who can't stand losing, never accepts any blame on himself, criticises players publicly, isn't a fan of foreign players and struggled in this league last time with a squad not good enough.

Just the ticket for a team with a number of foreign players, who know they aren't good enough for this league and are low on confidence.

A manager who finished 9th with pub player's?

 

[71Blade]

Me neither. Was certain that if not last night, then the axe would have been swung today. Then i remembered that the owner probably doesn't give a rat's fuck. Bordering on negligence that PH is still SUFC manager.

Be waiting for PIF to tell him when he can i suppose

 

[metalblade]

Hard to believe any decent manager would come into a club with no money and an owner who is desperate to sell, why would they? They could be out of a job as soon as a sale goes through and a relegation on their CV. I think the best we can hope for is a short term appointment until the end of the season. That said I can't really believe Hecky and the management team aren't already down the road, just goes to show how far the Prince is out of touch with the club, the levels of inertia are staggering from the owner and board. Hecky should have been emptying his locker at 5.00pm last night.

 

[Chilttheblade]

What we do know about Wilder
We played some of the best - if not the best football I have ever seen from my team.
Every player knew what they were doing and played to an actual system.
He smashed us out of league 1 and then through and out of the Championship, destroying some very good teams on the way.
He gave us our club back after years of dross.
He gave us our identify back and people spoke in glowing terms about us.
He made some bad decisions around recruitment and spent a lot of money on doing so. (Most managers buy shit players along the way)
He hasn’t set the world alight since he left.

What we don’t know about Wilder
Exactly what happened at the end of his tenure at the Blades. What the conversations were between him and the owner / board.

I really don’t get the toxic comments about him. Most managers ultimately fail in the end, regardless of who they are or what club they are at or what success they have had at that club. Most either get sacked or resign.

I don’t know if he is the answer to the current situation . I would hate for him to come back and tarnish his previous work (some say he already has..) but I know that we would probably have an identity, some personality and some bollocks about us.

So you want us to believe that when he was in charge and we started the season with worse results then this season and he wasn’t capable of turning things around then, this time around he is the saviour? This time with a worse squad then what he had? And with the opposition stronger?

Struggling to see the logic there

 

[William Large]

So you want us to believe that when he was in charge and we started the season with worse results then this season and he wasn’t capable of turning things around then, this time around he is the saviour? This time with a worse squad then what he had? And with the opposition stronger?

Struggling to see the logic there

Perhaps actually read what I put …..

‘I don’t know if he is the answer to the current situation’

 

[SUFCinks]

I think most fans realise these are the only 2 half decent managers that would join a club with ropey finances and an owner that wants to sell. Who else of any quality would be mug enough to take the job on?

Warnock is anything but half decent IMO. A real dinosaur of football, wouldn’t go near him with a barge pole. Wilder left on bad terms, i doubt he’s returning. His good moments definitely outway his bad , and i will always be fond of the journey he took us on but that final season was just as bad as what we have now. He couldn’t turn his own mess around last time, threw all the players under the bus and pissed off the chairman and most fans.

To search for a list of replacements is a big chore in itself. I definitely don’t have the time for that. There are lots of young managers out there who have made the step up in big leagues and i think a young and ambitious manager is the way to go. I appreciate that thats a risk and a very broad view though. Somehow we need to find the next; Ole werner, Will still, De zerbi , Jagoba, arrastate, Kompany, Digard, Mattius, jassle etc.

I’ll be honest apart from hassenhuttl who would be a stretch i don’t know who I would pick that wouldn’t have an element of risk. Keiran Mckenna would be high up on the list. With Ian Evett at bolton in for consideration. Otherwise i just know Wilder and Warnock are not for me.

 

[UddersBlade]

Problem is that I doubt that anyone else other than Wilder would want the job right now under The Prince!

 

[fifty shades of blade]

Well what I can say is I'm glad we never got Dyche on board, he's turned into a proper whiney always the victim bitch

 

[William Large]

Well what I can say is I'm glad we never got Dyche on board, he's turned into a proper whiney always the victim bitch

Funny how that coincided with his move to Everton…

 

[Broomhall Blade]

What we do know about Wilder
We played some of the best - if not the best football I have ever seen from my team.
Every player knew what they were doing and played to an actual system.
He smashed us out of league 1 and then through and out of the Championship, destroying some very good teams on the way.
He gave us our club back after years of dross.
He gave us our identify back and people spoke in glowing terms about us.
He made some bad decisions around recruitment and spent a lot of money on doing so. (Most managers buy shit players along the way)
He hasn’t set the world alight since he left.

What we don’t know about Wilder
Exactly what happened at the end of his tenure at the Blades. What the conversations were between him and the owner / board.

I really don’t get the toxic comments about him. Most managers ultimately fail in the end, regardless of who they are or what club they are at or what success they have had at that club. Most either get sacked or resign.

I don’t know if he is the answer to the current situation . I would hate for him to come back and tarnish his previous work (some say he already has..) but I know that we would probably have an identity, some personality and some bollocks about us.

Most managers do fail but hardly any leave via the back door.
Also very few managers are successful second time around...

 

[Chilttheblade]

Perhaps actually read what I put …..

‘I don’t know if he is the answer to the current situation’

No I read that but your last sentence said he would add something. He would add nothing.
He is a dinosaur who was a lucky manager who sold our future ( DCL, Ramsdale, Adams, Brooks among others) for short term gains. His player purchases determined our playing style since he left, with long term contracts making it difficult to buy better more flexible players .

 

[nopigfansintown]

United need a wheeler dealer that can maximise a small budget, getting the best out of limited players. Somebody that can recruit players himself, with the small team around them. Our leadershiphas made a shit ton of noise about having the skills to do this have singularly failed. If this continues in the Championship we'll continue to sink. There are few if any better options than Wilder that fit the above criteria, but it doesn't have to be Wilder. We are reaping the high cost loan strategy of the previous tw years now: our asset base is low and we need a massive turnover of players due to not securing more permanent transfers in the Championship. It looks like a huge rebuild next season.

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

I am not shilling for Wilder as I think it would be a mistake for Him and us to come back.. but if you think Warnock cares about anything other than Neil Warnock you are deluded.

He did what was right for the club in terms of building the academy which restricted his funds for the first team and took the criticism due to that.
He also worked in the Premier league with no payrise despite being promised one, his mrs told to leave hence the speculation around the Portsmouth job.
He’s got a massive ego but generally does the right thing by the clubs he manages.

 

[Harry's Game]

He did what was right for the club in terms of building the academy which restricted his funds for the first team and took the criticism due to that.
He also worked in the Premier league with no payrise despite being promised one, his mrs told to leave hence the speculation around the Portsmouth job.
He’s got a massive ego but generally does the right thing by the clubs he manages.

He recommended the sale of Billy Sharp to Scunny as he thought he would never make it at Championship level and even sanctioned selling Jags to Milwall for £250k until an injury crises brought Jags into the first team and he finally realised what we had , I don’t think oversights come much bigger than that.

 

[Rodley]

I’m fully on board the Ian Evatt train, but I imagine it Hecky goes it will be a formality.