Wilder by the looks of it

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Espania blade said:
So Heck'y got a four & a half tear contract that the owner is now going to renege on ?

If there's going to be a change (and I still have doubts, even though it's all over social media),
Then I think it's something Heck'y has agreed to, I really don't think our owner reneges on deals despite what some fans might think of him,
nor does he allow things to come out of the club without his permission, information wise the club is as tight as a ducks arse.
The next few days will be interesting whatever the outcome (and there's only one outcome) at Arsenal.
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I think that's part of the reason people are suggesting Hecky could still be around, in a different capacity.
 

I kinda don’t give a shit. Which is very unbladey of me.

The things I’m looking forward to with Wilder are:

  • Think overall fitness and stamina will improve.
  • I think we’ll develop an identity again and look more like a team, we look more disjointed with Hecky in my opinion. N’Diaye really covered up the cracks.
  • I presume we’ll be less cautious, and we should be as we’ve got fuck all to lose.
  • Alan Knill.


Things i’m not looking forward to:

  • Lack of players coming through the academy or given a chance.
  • Going back to playing British lads who work hard, instead of evolving as a club. Drinking culture etc. potentially creeping back.
  • If it’s the post-covid Wilder. The mardy interviews, throwing the players.
  • His ability to not speak in proper sentences.
 
Jimmy23 said:
So the stories are we lose v Arsenal and taxi for Hecky, which brings back the Chris Wilder who promoted us twice in three seasons and built an 11 to finish 9th in the top tier of English football. Some say yes, but from what I’ve seen a large chunk of blades don’t want him back. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but what has shocked me is the disrespect towards CW. You’ve got to remember what he achieved before that horrendous 20/21 campaign and let’s be honest blades, we wouldn’t be where we are right now if it wasn’t for CW/AK and all the rest of his back room staff. If Wilder comes in which I’m sure he will, best of luck and I’m backing him all the way. 2 wins from safety, we need a rocket up these players arses because Wilder loves this club. And let’s be honest, if he keeps us up from this position, he’ll definitely go down as one of our best servants of the club (if he isn’t already)

Good luck Hecky, but from the speculation I feel your times up very soon. Thanks for everything. And if Wilder comes in, let’s get behind him starting from Wolves next Sat


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No thanks
 
Big mistake, should keep our options open and offer him caretaker until end of season.

No one could be expected to keep what’s left of first team supplemented by Accademy players up. And if they are daft enough to fall back on “I only have one system Wilder” ffs don’t give him money to spend but get a DoF to keep an eye on him
 
Espania blade said:
So Heck'y got a four & a half tear contract that the owner is now going to renege on ?

If there's going to be a change (and I still have doubts, even though it's all over social media),
Then I think it's something Heck'y has agreed to, I really don't think our owner reneges on deals despite what some fans might think of him,
nor does he allow things to come out of the club without his permission, information wise the club is as tight as a ducks arse.
The next few days will be interesting whatever the outcome (and there's only one outcome) at Arsenal.
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He wouldn't be reneging on it, he'd have to pay him for the remainder of it.
But it seems bonkers to me.
 
Booker4 said:
If Hecky stays in some capacity that would be more of a comfort but I can't see him wanting to do that and I'm sure other clubs would come calling pretty quick from the Championship.
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I agree. Might take him a bit longer elsewhere though. He already knew our setup and our players really well, including the U23s obviously, when he took over from Slav. I remember him making a point about that in an interview as well. That was a massive advantage and made him the right choice for us at that time.
 
fifty shades of blade said:
So a team experiencing a crisis brings in a bloke who was clueless during a crisis... like bringing a tory in to create an anti poverty strategy...madness.
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Id call it a crisis when he took over. It was far worse than this. I don’t know if it will but who knows. Just hope he’s the humble down to earth bastard and not the angry “everybody’s Sheffield uncle” bastard he morphed into.
 
I can't for the life of me see why people are excited about Wilder coming back.

I see little to no logic based on his managerial performance of the last 3 years, his use and approach towards foreign players, and the deep division this will cause unless he somehow gets off to a flyer (extremely unlikely).

Utterly nonsensical to me but hardly surprising at the same time.
 
Davalon said:
I can't for the life of me see why people are excited about Wilder coming back.

I see little to no logic based on his managerial performance of the last 3 years, his use and approach towards foreign players, and the deep division this will cause unless he somehow gets off to a flyer (extremely unlikely).

Utterly nonsensical to me but hardly surprising at the same time.
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I was sorry to see him go when he did.

But he left after falling out with the owner and managed to alienate much of the fan base with the manner of it.

He’d come back to a mediocre squad, many of whom are broken and NO MUNEH to do anything about it.
So what could he achieve?

As you say, it’s utterly nonsensical.
 
Davalon said:
I can't for the life of me see why people are excited about Wilder coming back.

I see little to no logic based on his managerial performance of the last 3 years, his use and approach towards foreign players, and the deep division this will cause unless he somehow gets off to a flyer (extremely unlikely).

Utterly nonsensical to me but hardly surprising at the same time.
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I can see what you're saying re Wilder and foreign players but if Wilder does come back I can only assume that the Prince and Wilder will have come to an agreement re signing foreign players and also presumably working with foreign players. The Prince has said Wilder's a better manager now than before, I suspect that Wilder would have to take a different approach given we're not flying top of the league and it's not his squad but at the same time there's still a few of his players left too so it's not going to be totally foreign to him either, no pun intended.

I still think Hecky deserves the chance to stay, at least till January but if the board want a change then Wilder will be a good fit as long as the relationship he had with the players was decent when he left and there's never been anyone to say different on that. If on the other hand the board just want Wilder back anyway rather than a change full stop then I think that's harsh on Hecky because as you say, it's not as if Wilder has done well since he left. I do think he inherited a mess at Watford and it was never his type of squad, at Middlesborough he seemed to fall out over recruitment (again) and he flirted with the Burnley job probably because of the recruitment side. It's never dull at the Lane at least!
 

Davalon said:
I can't for the life of me see why people are excited about Wilder coming back.

I see little to no logic based on his managerial performance of the last 3 years, his use and approach towards foreign players, and the deep division this will cause unless he somehow gets off to a flyer (extremely unlikely).

Utterly nonsensical to me but hardly surprising at the same time.
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I feel the same way. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion and none of us can predict the future, but it just seems to be based on nothing but wishful thinking to me.

That season Wilder came in can’t be recreated. It’s not the same team anymore as much as people want to insist it is. Plus he’s done nothing at the jobs he’s had since to suggest he’s capable of repeating the trick.

Wilder was the right man at the right time. But it’s not that time anymore and to me he’s not the right man.
 
fifty shades of blade said:
So a team experiencing a crisis brings in a bloke who was clueless during a crisis... like bringing a tory in to create an anti poverty strategy...madness.
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I agree re the tories, re Wilder and a crisis, well we were in crisis when he joined and it didn't start well either for Wilder but that turned out ok. Before when we were relegated, Wilder certainly needed to learn from that but not so sure anyone could have kept us up that season either! With good recruitment in January I can see us competing better this season but I can see that with Hecky staying also.

I still feel sacking Hecky, unless he want out (I presume unlikely) then we should be giving Hecky more time.
 
Apologies if it's been mentioned already as I've only skim read the thread, but from what I've seen from it thus far it demonstrates exactly why this is a shit idea.

Splitting the fanbase in two when we're playing like shit and getting dicked every week is a really dumb thing to do. You'll have arguments at the back of the Kop between pissed up Wilder In/Wilder Out types which could well turn to fisticuffs if they're daft enough.

Only thing that could stop that happening would be Wilder coming in and picking up some points for us which I have absolutely no faith in him doing. The squad isn't good enough for this level and there's not a managerial change on earth that could change that fact. Bringing Wilder back would be a desperate attempt to keep the fans onside during a tumultuous period of results and distract from the fact that we're still on extremely shaky grounds as a club right now.

Hecky gets us to the play-offs, gets us promoted despite a turbulent season, tries to assemble a competitive squad on a (relative) shoestring and gets sacked as a reward? Despite coming out and saying his job is safe regardless? And we replace him with a bloke who, respectfully, hasn't done anything of note since leaving us?

That would absolutely stink for me.
 
TJB. said:
Apologies if it's been mentioned already as I've only skim read the thread, but from what I've seen from it thus far it demonstrates exactly why this is a shit idea.

Splitting the fanbase in two when we're playing like shit and getting dicked every week is a really dumb thing to do. You'll have arguments at the back of the Kop between pissed up Wilder In/Wilder Out types which could well turn to fisticuffs if they're daft enough.

Only thing that could stop that happening would be Wilder coming in and picking up some points for us which I have absolutely no faith in him doing. The squad isn't good enough for this level and there's not a managerial change on earth that could change that fact. Bringing Wilder back would be a desperate attempt to keep the fans onside during a tumultuous period of results and distract from the fact that we're still on extremely shaky grounds as a club right now.

Hecky gets us to the play-offs, gets us promoted despite a turbulent season, tries to assemble a competitive squad on a (relative) shoestring and gets sacked as a reward? Despite coming out and saying his job is safe regardless? And we replace him with a bloke who, respectfully, hasn't done anything of note since leaving us?

That would absolutely stink for me.
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Agree with most of your post but don't think bringing back Wilder would be done to keep the fans onside, I presume, if it happens, that the Prince feels it's the best for the club. You're spot on it would divide the fanbase though.
 
I notice el accounto already getting into the good books with Wilder. He really can’t think of a better man for the job, Prince is lucky to have a top quality manager ready to step in.

So transparent that weirdo.
 
Rodley said:
I’m a bit ambivalent about that to be honest. It was pressure of Covid and it told on all of us. Even then our performances were better than they have been this season.
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I'm not sure they were. I just think the opposition were as bored with the whole process as United were and were happy with 1 or 2 goal wins
 
Booker4 said:
Agree with most of your post but don't think bringing back Wilder would be done to keep the fans onside, I presume, if it happens, that the Prince feels it's the best for the club. You're spot on it would divide the fanbase though.
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Perhaps I'm wrong but that's how it feels to me. A bit of a Bladey Blade appointment to try and gloss over the mess we're in at ownership level.
 
KoppedOff said:
I get why sone people think we need a change. And I get why some people look back at Wilders achievements with us and would welcome him back.

But realistically, who gets what out of this (if it happens)?

Can see why Wilder would fancy it; another good pay day when his options are looking thin. But surely the same problems regarding infrastructure, recruitment are still there? Unless he’s been genuinely humbled over his last 3 years experiences and has effectively had his knackers done and will just fall in line.

But struggling to see why Abdullah would want this particular move?

Okay- they’ve made up and are pals again. Thats lovely. But what exactly is he thinking this move will achieve?

Is he honestly expecting Wilder will suddenly revive this ragtag, mostly injured mess of a squad of another mans players and stay up? The same bloke who he had an huge, embarrassing public fall-out with, amidst on pitch capitulation and leading to a massive pay off and a need for huge reform on and off the pitch?

If thats the case, what kind of businessman/mug is he? Even just from Abdullahs POV; Why would you go straight back in with the same bloke who caused you all that public and professional grief and expense, then relieved you of an alleged £4m… just because he flew out to your house and said “Oh sorry pal… got a bit hairy back then, eh?”

And if he’s as skint as we’re led to believe, wheres the sense in paying off the remainder of Heckys FIVE YEAR contract (not to mention McCall, Lester, etc) and then giving a 3 year contract to Wilder (if reports are true) and presumably Knill and potentially a coaching role for one W Sharp? Thats a lot of spunkin moneh for whats likely to yield the same end result, come what May (if not March).

All I can think of is that our great leader thinks getting rid of Hecky and replacing him with a cult hero who achieved genuinely amazing things, but then shit his trousers will somehow deflect the blame for the abysmal off field operations over the last 12 months, inflicted by… er, Abdullah himself.

10 years at the club now; he’s done some good, some bad, some odd. I still genuinely have no idea what his actual motivations are or his plan is for being here.

Heckys not perfect (injuries, subs), but he’s a good man who’s pulled us out of the shit with genuine dignity. This season is awful, but his pre season was derailed by his superiors and he certainly doesn’t deserve the skullduggery seemingly happening now. Wilders done amazing things for us in the past and given us great times. If he’s manager by next week, I’ll support him and hope for the best. But it all leaves a sour taste and Im VERY dubious for the reasoning.
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Good well measured post.
Why would the Prince choose Wilder? Here are possible reasons.

1: Avoiding SUFC reputational damage
Possibly the Prince feels the PR damage of struggling to break 10 points this season and becoming the worse PL team in it's 30 years will give the club massive publicity for all the wrong reasons. We'll become a laughing stock. Any PL that struggles to break 10 points is likely to finishing bottom half in the Championship or even be relegated. Might have an effect on making us harder to sell.
Also Wilder is much more of PR darling than Hecky, we'll gain more publicity as a club
He's a much better more entertaining speaker, more honest (which can also be a bad thing) and detailed in his post match comments and tactics.
Where as Hecky plays a straight bat and prefers not to give much away regards tactics or injuries.

2: Familiarity
Better the devil you know. The Prince has seen Wilder as his mardy emotional worse, so he knows exactly the man he's employing, warts and all.
The Prince knows more about the breakup than anyone on this forum, so if he's forgiven Wilder then who are we to complain?
He's seen with his own eyes how the guy operates, his work ethic, motivational powers, tactics etc. So it's not so much a risk.

3: Excellent track record of massively overachieving with little money
The Prince might already be thinking we'll be relegated and next season have just an average Championship level budget. However Wilder had shown money doesn't matter so much, even with average players he can somehow gel them into a well oiled team able to perform to really high level.

4: Self- motivation
Wilder stock is currently low, he's almost on the scrap heap, getting on a bit in age so might struggle to find significant work.
This job is the "last chance saloon" for him, a chance for redemption.
He's struggled recently at Middlesboro and Watford, think that can be a positive because managers tend to learn more from the bad times instead of the good times. What a massive incentive he has now has to achieve at the club he supported as a boy and man.

5: Succession plan
Maybe Billy Sharp is still highly regarded by the club but of course there's no room for him with Hecky, McCall and Lester.
So this is an opportunity to have coaching team of Wilder, Knill and Sharp, with a view to making Sharp potentially a future manager.

6: Mutual agreement
For all we know there might have already been discussions with Hecky to retain his services but done in a mutually agreed respectful way.

7: Psychological effect of having Wilder as manager
A big positive is that Wednesday fans still have cold sweats when they hear the name Chris Wilder, they absolutely despise him.
Speak to any Wednesday, they absolutely hate the thought of us bring Wilder back, they think he is a miracle worker.

Note: Agree with some of the other posters. Altho we're now a desperate club, Wilder is even more desperate than us.
Think we could have negotiated a 8 month temp contract to the end of the season, review it at the end of the season, like we did with Blackwell.
My expectation is that Wilder saves us from relegation, my expectation is that we play like the 1st half against Man Utd most matches and we finish on over 25 points. If this happens then think Wilder deserves a chance in the Championship.

If we've given him a 4 year contract, like some say then can only guess it's on a low salary
Surely the Prince won't fall for the same fiasco as last tie, so there'll be clauses in our favour, where we can leave but only with a limited payoff.
 
Jimmy23 said:
Unpopular opinion but if I had 4 million given to me to resign the club in the position we were in I’d be a dickhead if I didn’t take it, and I think there are loads out there that secretly would regardless of how long you’ve supported the blades and how many grounds you’ve been to following them. Let’s get into the real world - a lot of people including my self would be fazed by that kind of cash amount
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Really, just because he asked for £4 million (as the prince said), it is highly unlikely he was paid that, it was the start of negotiations! Remember all managers get a pay off when they still have a contract. The fact the prince wants him back suggests it wasn't all that acrimonious.
 
Out of all the managers in the world, Wilder is the only one we can think of to dig us out of a hole.
 

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