West Ham United vs Sheffield United

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Premier League Matchweek 7 - Saturday 30th September 2023 - 16:30 - Tax Payer's Stadium
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Referee: Graham Scott
Assistants: Timothy Wood, Mark Scholes
Fourth Official: Keith Stroud
VAR: Darren Bond
Assistant VAR: Stuart Burt

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[Bobby b]

We had plenty of players in the box, get the ball in, what's to lose

 

[bakeblade]

The players like and respect Hecky, I think this is half the problem. They’re on easy street to a degree, Hecky hasn’t got a bollocking in him, continues to pick his favourites even though their form is atrocious. We need a Manager who’s not afraid to kick arse and who will not accept lack of effort. I was on the fence about Wilder but now I think he should return. It can’t be any worse than this shower of shit we’re seeing at the moment.

And of course no changes at halftime

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don't think we can go backwards from this. This is exactly the same as wilder relegation season

So far, it's worse.

 

[Not so Slim ane]

He picks the bloody team FFS!!

Who else can he pick that would make any difference!!!!? He's been give a pee shooter for a gunfight by the board

 

[paidsy]

Paul Heckingbottom will not win a PL game with us this season. That's the position whether he's still with us in May, or if he's gone at 6pm today.

 

[Not so Slim ane]

It's not Heckys fault for one off matches or individual mistakes

but tactics, not being well drilled when everyone knows what to do in a framework, general ability to control and pass a ball to feet is Heckys fault,
lack of character and confidence, ability to see tactical errors and make tactical in game changes and substitutions would be the managers responsibility.

Who would you replace him with that would be any better?

 

[Seth Rollins]

Who else can he pick that would make any difference!!!!? He's been give a pee shooter for a gunfight by the board

Thats a completely fair comment that I agree with. But we need a change & quickly.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Who you bringing in

Wilder ? Cos that’s going backwards

He was the greatest manager we've ever had, there's no one in the past who has performed a Brian Clough like miracle of taking a bottom of the table league 1 side to challenging for a Champions League place with alot of the same league 1 players. Sounds impossible, still can't believe it happened and we played good football too.

So if we need an impossible miracle...then we've seen with our own eyes Wilder can do it.
However I agree with the thought train that 2nd spells for managers generally don't work so Im not 100% convinced in Wilder either
Depends how desperate we are and what the other options are
If it's looking like with Hecky we have zero chance of staying up then at least with Wilder we do have a chance of not just staying up but finishing well clear of the relegation places. Still think on an individual player basis this years team is better than the Wilder team.

However Wilders success was based on the unique overlapping centre backpack tactic which was practiced over a few seasons.
So without that tactic...I'm not sure he's any better than Hecky...but once the players have lost faith in the manager...then Hecky needs putting out if his misery.

I suppose the decision is
1: Do we just accept we going down with 0% chance of staying up?
Do we accept we'll rarely attack in most games this season and are just keeping the score down to 2-0 or 3-0 every week.
It will be embarrassing but do we stay strong and use the logic that Hecky will get us promoted next season in the Championship?
However I didn't see anything special regards Heckys management last season, without N'Diaye don't think there's any way we'd have made the play-offs.
The main positive last season was Heckys pragmatism and negativity.
We'd go 1-0 then sit back defending the rest of the game, ironically this negativity helped us gain scrappy unconvincing wins.
Our defence would often be under loads of pressure in the Championship but we were so deep and organised that quite often our goalie would have little to do.

2: Regards Wilder, we've seen with our own eyes he's capable of performing miracles, so with this team we could end up mid table.
It could also go pear shaped, Wilder is quite emotional compared to the calm Hecky and it could turn toxic.
I'd give Hecky another match or 2 and if there's no sign of competing performance wise (not results wise)
then in my view we've nothing to lose taking the risk giving the job to Wilder.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Egan off so the answer is Basham what’s wrong with Trusty

 

[Not so Slim ane]

He was the greatest manager we've ever had, there's no one in the past who has performed a Brian Clough like miracle of taking a bottom of the table league 1 side to challenging for a Champions League place with alot of the same league 1 players. Sounds impossible.

So if we need an impossible miracle...then we've seen with our own eyes Wilder can do it.
However I agree with the thought train that 2nd spells for managers generally don't work so Im not 100% convinced in Wilder either
Depends how desperate we are and what the other options are
If it's looking like with Hecky we have zero chance of staying up then at least with Wilder we do have a chance of not just staying up but finishing well clear of the relegation places. Still think on an individual player basis this years team is better than the Wilder team.

However Wilders success was based on the unique overlapping centre backpack tactic which was practiced over a few seasons.
So without that tactic...I'm not sure he's any better than Hecky...but once the players have lost faith in the manager...then Hecky needs putting out if his misery.

I suppose the decision is
1: Do we just accept we going down with 0% chance of staying up?
Do we accept we'll rarely attack in most games this season and are just keeping the score down to 2-0 or 3-0 every week.
It will be embarrassing but do we stay strong and use the logic that Hecky will get us promoted next season?
However I didn't see anything special regards Heckys management last season, without N'Diaye don't think there's any way we've make the play-offs.
The main positive last season was Heckys pragmatism and negativity.
We'd go 1-0 then sit back defending the rest of the game, ironically this negativity helped us gain scrappy unconvincing wins.

2: Regards Wilder, we've seen with our own eyes he's capable of performing miracles, so with this team we could end up mid table.
It could also go pear shaped, Wilder is quite emotional compared to the calm Hecky and it could turn toxic.
I'd give Hecky another match or 2 and if there's no sign of competing performance wise (not results wise)
then in my view we've nothing to lose taking the risk giving the job to Wilder.

Wilder

 

[paidsy]

We clearly have big issues playing in this system in the PL once again. Bringing in Wilder will not do anything to change that, so I don't see how that will have much positive impact for us.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

He was the greatest manager we've ever had, there's no one in the past who has performed a Brian Clough like miracle of taking a bottom of the table league 1 side to challenging for a Champions League place with alot of the same league 1 players. Sounds impossible.

So if we need an impossible miracle...then we've seen with our own eyes Wilder can do it.
However I agree with the thought train that 2nd spells for managers generally don't work so Im not 100% convinced in Wilder either
Depends how desperate we are and what the other options are
If it's looking like with Hecky we have zero chance of staying up then at least with Wilder we do have a chance of not just staying up but finishing well clear of the relegation places. Still think on an individual player basis this years team is better than the Wilder team.

However Wilders success was based on the unique overlapping centre backpack tactic which was practiced over a few seasons.
So without that tactic...I'm not sure he's any better than Hecky...but once the players have lost faith in the manager...then Hecky needs putting out if his misery.

I suppose the decision is
1: Do we just accept we going down with 0% chance of staying up?
Do we accept we'll rarely attack in most games this season and are just keeping the score down to 2-0 or 3-0 every week.
It will be embarrassing but do we stay strong and use the logic that Hecky will get us promoted next season?
However I didn't see anything special regards Heckys management last season, without N'Diaye don't think there's any way we've make the play-offs.
The main positive last season was Heckys pragmatism and negativity.
We'd go 1-0 then sit back defending the rest of the game, ironically this negativity helped us gain scrappy unconvincing wins.

2: Regards Wilder, we've seen with our own eyes he's capable of performing miracles, so with this team we could end up mid table.
It could also go pear shaped, Wilder is quite emotional compared to the calm Hecky and it could turn toxic.
I'd give Hecky another match or 2 and if there's no sign of competing performance wise (not results wise)
then in my view we've nothing to lose taking the risk giving the job to Wilder.

Lets not start this 'greatest manager we have ever had crap again. Harris and Bassett for me were better. Its all subjective.

 

[Alan Gordon Partridge]

McAtee making errors and looking way out of his depth today...

 

[loyalblade95]

Egan off so the answer is Basham what’s wrong with Trusty

Anel in the middle of defence?

 

[Bobby b]

I feel for foderingham, statistically he's the worst keeper in the premiership but christ he's made our stats so much better than they would've been without him

 

[loyalblade95]

Seem to be creating more chances in this game, even though we're not hitting the target. Need to hit the target though.

 

[Espania blade]

No creativity, no midfield, no wonder we just ship goals, Heck'y needs find a spark from somewhere.
We look like a workmanlike team that Will go quietly

 

[Half Bond Jls]

What we even doing in training?! That attack was fucking clueless.

 

[Champagneblade]

Ok. So that was a second yellow for the Mexican lad.

“Not much wrong with that, but he’s a bit lucky” says Tony Gale.

Why do they have such fucking partisan commentators?

It was a foul and he slid up his knee. Had he not been booked he would have been so it was a second yellow and West Ham then have 10 men. One week earlier, Robbo does win the ball and that’s a booking. It’s just fucking scandalous every week.

 

[Jon Bon II]

It reminds me of me trying to play ProEvo on the top level.

 

[Richeee]

Egan off so the answer is Basham what’s wrong with Trusty

Been reliable informed that trusty has a prothsthetic that's why Hecky won't use him

 

[fifty shades of blade]

Ok. So that was a second yellow for the Mexican lad.

“Not much wrong with that, but he’s a bit lucky” says Tony Gale.

Why do they have such fucking partisan commentators?

It was a foul and he slid up his knee. Had he not been booked he would have been so it was a second yellow and West Ham then have 10 men. One week earlier, Robbo does win the ball and that’s a booking. It’s just fucking scandalous every week.

And it is every week as well. Pundits, officials...etc

 

[Inter_blade83]

Ok. So that was a second yellow for the Mexican lad.

“Not much wrong with that, but he’s a bit lucky” says Tony Gale.

Why do they have such fucking partisan commentators?

It was a foul and he slid up his knee. Had he not been booked he would have been so it was a second yellow and West Ham then have 10 men. One week earlier, Robbo does win the ball and that’s a booking. It’s just fucking scandalous every week.

I turned it off last week when the ref gave the corner for Fods save following the deliberate elbow from the Newcastle player. How was that a corner... it's a free kick.

Today I switched it off after McAtee gets booked for winning the ball and putting it out of play, fairly.

I've had enough of this league now.

Not watching another minute.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Rather Gene Wilder than backdoor Chris. We need to move forwards not backwards.

We don't need to move forward or backward....we just need to stay up.

Couldn't care less about Hecky or Wilder.....All we should care about is Sheffield United.
Always makes me shake my head how so many people (talking in general) are incapable of "critical thinking".

It's as though, "Don't like Wilder, he left us in the lurch, so he's xxxxxxxxx", cue the insults and disrespect (which is incredible really for the best manager we've ever had)
and "I like Hecky so whatever he does I'll support him even if we lose every remaining match", surely this is rank incompetence to have zero accountability.

Liking or disliking a personality shouldn't really come into it.
People seem to want to put people in a box, hang a label on them.....then choose a gang.

Are you in the pro Hecky gang or the pro Wilder gang? I'm not in either gang....couldn't care less, like and dislike bits of both of them.

It's a fact Wilder has been the best manager in our history....in that 4 year spell it's one of the most amazing transformations of a club in English football
but there are some weaknesses and things I didn't like about him, his success was built around that amazing overlapping centre back tactic, once we lost O'Connell and to a degree Basham, the replacement centebacks were never as good and the tactic gradually fell apart, then we had little to offer. As mentioned no plan B.

There are things I like about Hecky's personality, he's calm, handles pressure well and just gets on with it but I'm never sure of what he's trying to do, there doesn't seem to be a plan A never mind plan B. Wilder had us more well drilled, as though every player was more comfortable on the ball and knew where to pass before even looking, where as with Hecky the players have more license to play how they want, so Hecky is relying on individual ability instead of teamwork.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

We don't need to move forward or backward....we just need to stay up.

Couldn't care less about Hecky or Wilder.....All we should care about is Sheffield United.
Always makes me shake my head how so many people (talking in general) are incapable of "critical thinking".

It's as though, "Don't like Wilder, he left us in the lurch, so he's xxxxxxxxx", cue the insults and disrespect (which is incredible really for the best manager we've ever had)
and "I like Hecky so whatever he does I'll support him even if we lose every remaining match", surely this is rank incompetence to have zero accountability.

Liking or disliking a personality shouldn't really come into it.
People seem to want to put people in a box, hang a label on them.....then choose a gang.

Are you in the pro Hecky gang or the pro Wilder gang? I'm not in either gang....couldn't care less, like and dislike bits of both of them.

It's a fact Wilder has been the best manager in our history....in that 4 year spell it's one of the most amazing transformations of a club in English football
but there are some weaknesses and things I didn't like about him, his success was built around that amazing overlapping centre back tactic, once we lost O'Connell and to a degree Basham, the replacement centebacks were never as good and the tactic gradually fell apart, then we had little to offer. As mentioned no plan B.

There are things I like about Hecky's personality, he's calm, handles pressure well and just gets on with it but I'm never sure of what he's trying to do, there doesn't seem to be a plan A never mind plan B. Wilder had us more well drilled, as though every player knew where to pass before even looking, where as with Hecky the players have more license to play how they want, so Hecky is relying on individual ability instead of teamwork.

That, the best manager United ever had..?...

 

[DSB-91]

We don't need to move forward or backward....we just need to stay up.

Couldn't care less about Hecky or Wilder.....All we should care about is Sheffield United.
Always makes me shake my head how so many people are incapable of "critical thinking".

It's as though, "Don't like Wilder, he left us in the lurch, so he's xxxxxxxxx", cue the insults and disrespect (which is incredible really for the best manager we've ever had)
and "I like Hecky so whatever he does I'll support him even if we lose every remaining match", surely this is rank incompetence to have zero accountability.

Liking or disliking a personality shouldn't really come into it.
People seem to want to put people in a box, hang a label on them.....then choose a gang.

Are you in the pro Hecky gang or the pro Wilder gang? I'm not in either gang....couldn't care less, like and dislike bits of both of them.

It's a fact Wilder has been the best manager in our history....in that 4 year spell it's one of the most amazing transformations of a club in English football
but there are some weaknesses and things I didn't like about him, his success was built around that amazing overlapping centre back tactic, once we lost O'Connell and to a degree Basham, the replacement centebacks were never as good and the tactic gradually fell apart, then we had little to offer. As mentioned no plan B.

There are things I like about Hecky's personality, he's calm, handles pressure well and just gets on with it but I'm never sure of what he's trying to do, there doesn't seem to be a plan A never mind plan B. Wilder had us more well drilled, as though every player knew where to pass before even looking, where as with Hecky the players have more license to play how they want, so Hecky is relying on individual ability instead of teamwork.

Ask fans of every club Wilder’s managed since us what they think of him. He’s consistently proved a disaster pal.

Hiring him would just be a sign we’re totally out of ideas and just taking a punt on nostalgia.

 

[paidsy]

The subs have remained as random and daft as they were last season at least.

 

[Not so Slim ane]

We don't need to move forward or backward....we just need to stay up.

Couldn't care less about Hecky or Wilder.....All we should care about is Sheffield United.
Always makes me shake my head how so many people (talking in general) are incapable of "critical thinking".

It's as though, "Don't like Wilder, he left us in the lurch, so he's xxxxxxxxx", cue the insults and disrespect (which is incredible really for the best manager we've ever had)
and "I like Hecky so whatever he does I'll support him even if we lose every remaining match", surely this is rank incompetence to have zero accountability.

Liking or disliking a personality shouldn't really come into it.
People seem to want to put people in a box, hang a label on them.....then choose a gang.

Are you in the pro Hecky gang or the pro Wilder gang? I'm not in either gang....couldn't care less, like and dislike bits of both of them.

It's a fact Wilder has been the best manager in our history....in that 4 year spell it's one of the most amazing transformations of a club in English football
but there are some weaknesses and things I didn't like about him, his success was built around that amazing overlapping centre back tactic, once we lost O'Connell and to a degree Basham, the replacement centebacks were never as good and the tactic gradually fell apart, then we had little to offer. As mentioned no plan B.

There are things I like about Hecky's personality, he's calm, handles pressure well and just gets on with it but I'm never sure of what he's trying to do, there doesn't seem to be a plan A never mind plan B. Wilder had us more well drilled, as though every player was more comfortable on the ball and knew where to pass before even looking, where as with Hecky the players have more license to play how they want, so Hecky is relying on individual ability instead of teamwork.

What's Steve Bruce doing these days?

 

[fifty shades of blade]

We don't need to move forward or backward....we just need to stay up.

Couldn't care less about Hecky or Wilder.....All we should care about is Sheffield United.
Always makes me shake my head how so many people (talking in general) are incapable of "critical thinking".

It's as though, "Don't like Wilder, he left us in the lurch, so he's xxxxxxxxx", cue the insults and disrespect (which is incredible really for the best manager we've ever had)
and "I like Hecky so whatever he does I'll support him even if we lose every remaining match", surely this is rank incompetence to have zero accountability.

Liking or disliking a personality shouldn't really come into it.
People seem to want to put people in a box, hang a label on them.....then choose a gang.

Are you in the pro Hecky gang or the pro Wilder gang? I'm not in either gang....couldn't care less, like and dislike bits of both of them.

It's a fact Wilder has been the best manager in our history....in that 4 year spell it's one of the most amazing transformations of a club in English football
but there are some weaknesses and things I didn't like about him, his success was built around that amazing overlapping centre back tactic, once we lost O'Connell and to a degree Basham, the replacement centebacks were never as good and the tactic gradually fell apart, then we had little to offer. As mentioned no plan B.

There are things I like about Hecky's personality, he's calm, handles pressure well and just gets on with it but I'm never sure of what he's trying to do, there doesn't seem to be a plan A never mind plan B. Wilder had us more well drilled, as though every player knew where to pass before even looking, where as with Hecky the players have more license to play how they want, so Hecky is relying on individual ability instead of teamwork.

It isnt a fact, well it is, but in your head! Again we need to move forwards not backwards...and dont come back with any more essay length replies

 

[Blade56]

Best of luck picking a MoM