And the new 'scapegoat' is............

[alcoblade]

I don't think we should expect Flynn to do that on a regular basis. We have players who can probably give us more of that, which is why he should be competing with Robson for one creative/solid/non-dribbling wide role.

We shouldn't be expecting anything, because we shouldn't be playing him. He's a good trier and that's where it stops, unfortunately. Weak, pace-less, without trick. It's lost on me what anyone sees in him, unless they are blinded by the good honest hard work that makes us all want the best for any player.

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[LoughboroBlade]

Well, I'm afraid, Sir, you are incorrect. Murphy got to the byline several times, but Flynn did not on one single occasion. I know this as i consciously watched Flynn today because I knew this argument would come up again!

Sorry, but as I mention above that is absolutely not true - there was a great example where Flynn did this first half. I'm not someone that consciously makes exceptions to keep an eye on players, but I thought that this piece of skill would have been blindingly obvious to someone that was.

Just in case you think I'm making it up for the hell of it, here's Foxy's tweet at the time:

Flynn beats a couple of men and a bad lunge and puts a ball into the box, defender just gets there #sufc #twitterblades

 

[super_pig]

heh. i knew that would come up.. that 'was' a great piece of play.. he managed to stay on his feet for once despite the cynical attempt to trip him up.. other examples?? hmm.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

heh. i knew that would come up.. that 'was' a great piece of play.. he managed to stay on his feet for once despite the cynical attempt to trip him up.. other examples?? hmm.

He managed to beat his man, then stay on his feet, drove down the line and crossed it in. I'm not really sure why you're asking for other examples - all I wanted to do was correct this idea that he didn't do anything of any note. As I said before, if it had been anyone else it probably would have been mentioned - if he had an Italian name it would have been mentioned, a lot. The other decent piece of play was where his efforts won possession for Kitson to cross for Robson's header first half. That's on the FLS highlights for anyone that also missed that.

Again, as I've already said I thought Flynn was one of our poorer players yesterday. But some of the vitriol against him and blatant ignoring of anything positive he does in order to suit a certain argument needs flagging when it happens.

 

[diplomat]

We have not had a winger since Colin Morris left.

I watched 'Into the Night' last night and there was a character called Colin Morris in it played by none other than David Bowie. Made in 1985 I can only conclude that Bowie recognised the greatness of, and wanted to be, Colin Morris.

 

[alcoblade]

I watched 'Into the Night' last night and there was a character called Colin Morris in it played by none other than David Bowie. Made in 1985 I can only conclude that Bowie recognised the greatness of, and wanted to be, Colin Morris.

Oh, to have a 25 year old Colin Morris now.

We've got coli coli coli Colin Morris on the wing, on the wing
Colin, Colin Morris, Colin Morris on the wing!

So naff it's great.



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[Foxy]

You've made this point before and I'm sure you're set on it.

Time after time he has several options - yet he persistently chooses the same one - backwards.

I make the point when it happens, I'm not set on anything, there's no agenda. Its a fault in our play and would be the same regardless of the winger. You can't beat a man and cross the ball without anyone to cross to, you simply lose possession. It may be frustrating and result in slow build up, but I'd rather him retain possession and be whinged at for it, than get criticised for regularly crossing to the opposition keeper/centre back - we do enough tossing the ball back when chasing the game with a knackered striker forced to run 30 yards and a knackered ageing midfielder the two most advanced players.

As mentioned before, we tend to improve on this with a balanced side and when whoever is tasked with playing up front and breaking from midfield keep up with play.

You must watch different games to me every week if you regularly see several options.

 

[sitwell]

We never had a 25 year old Colin Morris.

And we dont have a Bob Hatton or Keith Edwards type player in the box to cross to.

 

[alcoblade]

We never had a 25 year old Colin Morris.

And we dont have a Bob Hatton or Keith Edwards type player in the box to cross to.

Colin Morris - The serious point was that I wouldn't want him now - but thanks for the history lesson -

As for Flynn - do you really think he's capable of it if there were? Do you really think Kitson wouldn't lap it up?

Not a chance in a million.


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[alcoblade]

You must watch different games to me every week if you regularly see several options.

During 90 minutes, do you think he makes the best of every option to beat a man? It's not the odd time, there's loads of times. I accept better fullbacks would help enormously - but that's a smokescreen for Flynn's real inadequacies.

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[Foxy]

During 90 minutes, do you think he makes the best of every option to beat a man?

Of course not, if he managed the best possible outcome of every time he had the ball he wouldn't be playing for League One Sheffield United. That wasn't the question though, you seemed to suggest that he regularly had various support and options forward of him (or at least keeping up with play), I don't see that at all, do you have any instances to use as examples?

I accept better fullbacks would help enormously - but that's a smokescreen for Flynn's real inadequacies.

Help from the fullbacks is one thing... The main issues for me are the immobility and unwillingness to make space from those in the middle (mainly an issue at home), the usual lack of balance (improved when using Murphy on the opposite side) and the reliance on a good but not particularly fast striker with a slow midfielder playing just off him.

Flynn looks better offensively when we have options and he cuts back a hell of a lot less.

It's not about smokescreens to cover inadequacies, it's about getting the best out of a player (and indeed the team) that some are intent in seeing the worst in.

In terms of "making the best of ever option", he's way down the list of first to be dropped at the moment for me, that's before taking into consideration the other side to his game.

 

[alcoblade]

Of course not, if he managed the best possible outcome of every time he had the ball he wouldn't be playing for League One Sheffield United. That wasn't the question though, you seemed to suggest that he regularly had various support and options forward of him (or at least keeping up with play), I don't see that at all, do you have any instances to use as examples?

You need to rewind a bit - I don't accept the assertion that if players aren't more advanced, your wide me have to go backwards - you can beat a man / move forward / suck the play and players your way.

I don't need to give examples, because it's constantly the opposite of this. Good examples of Flynn's play are as easy to identify as a good home performance by United. They stand out like sore thumb but they do exist - accepted.

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[BladeFisher]

Why dont Macdonald or McMahon take corners when Robson goes off ,they are supposed dead ball experts ,offer nothing in the box and flynn would be a better defender.

Apparently Maguire is an excellent corner taker.

 

[Rodley]

We shouldn't be expecting anything, because we shouldn't be playing him. He's a good trier and that's where it stops, unfortunately. Weak, pace-less, without trick. It's lost on me what anyone sees in him, unless they are blinded by the good honest hard work that makes us all want the best for any player.

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Agree Alco. I rated Monty, thought Bobby Ford picked a decent pass and liked Tonge a lot. Never one for the annual SUFC witch hunt.

I just think t'owd Flynny is an ordinary player at best - not sure what others see in him. Even when he plays well, he rarely gets over a 6.5/10 for me.

 

[bartman]

Apparently Flynn is rubbish and shouldn't be in the side yet the 'ratings' on this site for each game never seem to have him as our worse player. I know this is only from a snapshot of fans but I assume the ratings are from people who go to the games who will make a balanced judgement.

However,the main point is why do some of our fans always seem to want someone to abuse...it's pathetic and pointless

 

[alcoblade]

Apparently Flynn is rubbish and shouldn't be in the side yet the 'ratings' on this site for each game never seem to have him as our worse player. I know this is only from a snapshot of fans but I assume the ratings are from people who go to the games who will make a balanced judgement.

However,the main point is why do some of our fans always seem to want someone to abuse...it's pathetic and pointless

You can't find many examples of me finding scapegoats. I am a United fan - I want the best for all our players. I really want the best for Flynn because he's a really honest player and he puts a shift in - but I cannot paper over the fact that he's not nearly good enough for a promotion chasing side.

Should I keep quiet about my thoughts? What exactly is the point of a discussion board then?

And unlike thousands of cardboard cutouts around me, I vociferously back the team, and never boo - other than the odd end of match rant. My typing doesn't affect Flynn you know.

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[Princess Annes Dog]

Agree Alco. I rated Monty,

Stopped reading at that point as I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[bartman]

You can't find many examples of me finding scapegoats. I am a United fan - I want the best for all our players. I really want the best for Flynn because he's a really honest player and he puts a shift in - but I cannot paper over the fact that he's not nearly good enough for a promotion chasing side.

Should I keep quiet about my thoughts? What exactly is the point of a discussion board then?

And unlike thousands of cardboard cutouts around me, I vociferously back the team, and never boo - other than the odd end of match rant. My typing doesn't affect Flynn you know.

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This wasn't a personal dig at you,alco,just a comment about why some fans needs to have a scapegoat

I disagree with you on Flynn in that I think he is god enough for this level and there are playings who should be dropped brfore him. However he certainly isn't good enough for the championship and I would expect him to be moved on if we go upl

 

[Rodley]

Stopped reading at that point as I couldn't stop laughing.

Bit splay footed for you PAD?

 

[norfolkblade]

While Flynn wasn't particularly good Saturday, I thought McDonald had a shocker.

Ok, no movement may be an excuse for his poor distribution, however it's not an excuse for him not going up for a couple of headers he could have easily won or neshing out of a few challenges too - that really does annoy me. You're a central midfielder, get stuck in!

 

[LSF]

seal..

best you can do SP?

 

[Jon Bon]

The thing with Flynn is that he's not my idea of a winger. When I hear the word 'winger', I think of Alan Woodward, Alan Roberts, Colin Morris, Jock Bryson, Paul Devlin - all players who could take a man on, beat him and get a cross into the box or a shot on goal. Flynn hardly ever takes a man on and when he does he rarely beats him, preferring most of the time to turn back, away from the fullback. Even full backs like Borbokis and Lowton were more effective wingers than Flynn.

This approach is probably why he gets a start week after week as unfortunately Wilson's main objective seems to be not to lose rather than try to win, so he's probably happy to see his 'wingers' playing the percentage game rather than tear-arsing to the byline to get a cross in.

 

[Grecian2000]

This approach is probably why he gets a start week after week

He didn't get a start every week when Williamson and Quinn were here. He's only evolved into a starter because better players have left holes that have, inevitably, been filled by lesser players. He is one such "lesser" player.

Last season we had the firepower to attack teams and win games by doing so, this season we have nowhere near such attacking ability and have to win games by keeping it tight, a different and far less pleasant on the eye approach but one we're stuck with. As you say, this means his defensive capabilities are now more of an asset than his attacking skills as far as being given, and retaining, his place in the team.

 

[TopBoy]

Since the start of last season I've really wanted Flynn to do well as he's a very honest and hard working player. In League 1 you need that type of player but as you go up the leagues I'm not sure it's enough. For now Flynn is adequate, if he was more than that we'd sell him anyway.

 

[super_pig]

This approach is probably why he gets a start week after week as unfortunately Wilson's main objective seems to be not to lose rather than try to win, so he's probably happy to see his 'wingers' playing the percentage game rather than tear-arsing to the byline to get a cross in.

won't do at home.. teams won't come out

 

[super_pig]

best you can do SP?

all i could be bothered mate