And the new 'scapegoat' is............

[bartman]

Step forward Ryan Flynn.

The 'crown' has been worn by Tonge,Quinn,Williams and Hill but Mr Flynn has received this award.

Today,anything Flynn did was critisised by some on the Kop(if you don't want to win a tackle,just fuck off was one comment. )

today

McDonald sells Flynn short with a pass,defender wins it...Flynn abused.
Robson sells McMahon...nothing said.
Flynn closes down Lewington and misses a tackle...abused
McDonald(not for the first time in the match),bottles going into a tackle...nothing said
Murphy passes behind Flynn so he can't reach it..guess who gets blamed?

and comically...McMahon crosses in to the Kop...Flynn gets the blame

Flynn wasn't the best player for us today but the abuse he gets is unbelievable

 

[mekkyblade]

Same in the south stand pal, but he is fuckin nesh, scared stiff of getting kicked

 

[silverfox]

Sadly same where we sit too.....no matter how crap the pass to him it was Flynn who was at fault.

Do some people actually watch what is happening or just want to slag someone off?

 

[Guesty]

Flynn gets a lot of unfair stick but I think Murphy is shocking. He just gets his head down and runs until he runs out of space or pitch. Neither winger added much today it must be said and as a result the threat we carried was negligible at best.

 

[Jon Bon]

So he should be n'all. He's absolutely woeful. How the hell he gets a start and plays the full 90 minutes week in, week out is beyond me.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Flynn wasn't the best player for us today but the abuse he gets is unbelievable

I thought he was off the boil today, but you're absolutely right in the examples you mention that he's become a default target no matter who's to blame.

Long also got some sarcastic cheers when he caught a cross today after his decision to punch a cross away. It's wet, he's already discovered from an earlier save that the ball might not be the easiest to keep hold of, and he makes good distance on the punch. But we may as well scream at him and then take the piss when he next catches a cross. What magnificent support we have.

 

[Rodley]

I think the fundamental judgement of any winger is how often he beats a man to the byline and gets a cross in. Devlin, for example, was an ordinary player but time and time again he took on the full back and digged out the cross. Equally Ndlovu used to take on the full back and carry the ball up the pitch (albeit not under complete control). Both players were loved. See Ian Bryson et al.

Like a striker who can't finish, a goalie who is unreliable, etc - a wide player who can't, or doesn't beat his fullback just won't be popular.

 

[bartman]

So he should be n'all. He's absolutely woeful. How the hell he gets a start and plays the full 90 minutes week in, week out is beyond me.

Maybe because he is not woeful ;-) He was ok at Oldham,Bournemouth,Bury recently It is the blind hatred towards him which is staggering especially when today,the biggest culprit for avoiding tackles and not getting 'stuck in' was McDonald.

Former scapegoat Hill was excellent today but it still appeared to stick in some people's throats to praise him

 

[Jon Bon]

McDonald does other things and is a lot more creative than Flynn. Like someone else said, if you're a winger and you can't take your fullback on and beat him once in a while, what is the point, eh?

Agree about Hill though. He was tremendous today and, to be fair, he has been for a while.

 

[Guesty]

I thought he was off the boil today, but you're absolutely right in the examples you mention that he's become a default target no matter who's to blame.

Long also got some sarcastic cheers when he caught a cross today after his decision to punch a cross away. It's wet, he's already discovered from an earlier save that the ball might not be the easiest to keep hold of, and he makes good distance on the punch. But we may as well scream at him and then take the piss when he next catches a cross. What magnificent support we have.

The support was fine today. I was the first to say it was very flat against Orient but today they were far more vocal and encouraging. And we were rewarded with exactly the same thing; a side with ambitions of automatic promotion failing to beat mediocre opposition at home and indeed not managing to exert any sort of consistent pressure.

 

[Foxy]

Flynn can and will beat a man, a regular problem however is that when he receives the ball he's more often than not the player in the most advanced position with no-one near joining him... Therefore having to come backwards.

I pointed this out to a guy who was abusing him at Oldham, discussed the positions of the strikeforce and his fellow midfielders, his response: "well we shouldn't fucking pass to him then!".

He was involved in some of our better moves today despite nothing really coming off, also worked hard as per.

McDonald though, made one, single, best pass of the game and for the rest of the game was poor

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

We have not had a winger since Colin Morris left.

 

[Rodley]

Flynn can and will beat a man, a regular problem however is that when he receives the ball he's more often than not the player in the most advanced position with no-one near joining him... Therefore having to come backwards.

I pointed this out to a guy who was abusing him at Oldham, discussed the positions of the strikeforce and his fellow midfielders, his response: "well we shouldn't fucking pass to him then!".

He was involved in some of our better moves today despite nothing really coming off, also worked hard as per.

McDonald though, made one, single, best pass of the game and for the rest of the game was poor

Our wide play is awful Foxy - if it's not Flynn and its not the "set-up" of the team, what is it? why do we utterly fail to stretch teams out and get to the byline? I'm not being antagonistic but tactics and team selections at home simply aren't working! Thus boring football, awful atmosphere and poor results!

 

[Darthblade]

Our wide play is awful Foxy - if it's not Flynn and its not the "set-up" of the team, what is it? why do we utterly fail to stretch teams out and get to the byline? I'm not being antagonistic but tactics and team selections at home simply aren't working! Thus boring football, awful atmosphere and poor results!

We should have gone for Green from Charlton on loan - he's a quality winger who can deliver a cross ....

 

[LSF]

Oh aye, without doubt Flynny is the new Monty, Tonge, Gannon etc and going back to my early days the unfortunate Tony Wagstaff, built a bit like Flynny and the butt of the 'flat caps' ire whenever the poor lad played.
Today the flynnfuckers were in front behind and to the sides of me. Granted the kid had a bad one today (and I've defended him all season), he looks tired and ready for a break from the starting line up imo, but I really don't get the abuse he or any of those who don the red & white stripes receive.
Abusing your own players - what is the fucking point, I ask you!

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

he looks tired and ready for a break from the starting line up imo

I'll use that one at work on Monday.

Me - "Ey boss, I'm feeling a bit flat, any chance you can give me some time off to re-charge my batteries"?
Boss - "Fuck off, you're well paid, get on with it you mardy twat"

 

[LSF]

I'll use that one at work on Monday.

Me - "Ey boss, I'm feeling a bit flat, any chance you can give me some time off to re-charge my batteries"?
Boss - "Fuck off, you're well paid, get on with it you mardy twat"

Hilarious!

 

[Hollinsend]

Our wide play is awful Foxy - if it's not Flynn and its not the "set-up" of the team, what is it? why do we utterly fail to stretch teams out and get to the byline? I'm not being antagonistic but tactics and team selections at home simply aren't working! Thus boring football, awful atmosphere and poor results!

Could have sworn I saw both Flynn and Murphy get to the byline on a number of occasions today, unfortunately either the final delivery was poor or there just weren't enough striker/midfield players getting into the box to finish.

Thought we had the same problem today generally - ball retention generally pretty good but we paid the price of too slow build up, which gave them chance to get organised in front of us.

I thought today was frustrating in the result and the atmosphere was OK.

 

[Russ]

We have not had a winger since Colin Morris left.

Agree he was good, but I think you forgot Dane Whitehouse, Ian Bryson, Alan Roberts, Keith Gillespie, Peter Ndlovu....

 

[Deadbat]

I have been called for criticising Flynn before but today he did nothing. Murphy at least had 2 or 3 runs which led to corners but both were ineffectual. At home you need your forward thinking players to take some initiative and make things happen. I felt there was only Robson of the whole front 6 along with Doyle to some extent actually taking any responsibility. I agree Flynn sometimes gets criticissed wrongly (and is better away from home when we have a solid 5 and his hard work defending etc is better used) but not sure how many can defend him today; I cannot remeber him doing anything of note and he did jump put of 3 or 4 tackles/challenges. Also, that corner at the end?!!

At home you expect your wingers to attack, get crosses in, have some shots, make things happen....sadly ours dont seem to do that and thus their is great reliance on Kitson feeding off scraps. For all those criticisng McDonald and others in the central midfield (I am one -he was awful today for long stretches), who is he suppoed to pass to when the wingers often hide and the front two have no mobility whatsoever? Ors our passes have to be so precise and always just to feet as our players up top dont have pace to chase through balls or go at men when balls are played in front of them.

 

[silverfox]

Many more worse than Flynn today but don't let that put you off!

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I have been called for criticising Flynn before but today he did nothing. Murphy at least had 2 or 3 runs which led to corners but both were ineffectual. At home you need your forward thinking players to take some initiative and make things happen.

What about the instance first half when he received the ball on the break at the halfway line, and with little room on the touch line managed to run past his man, maintain his run despite a really cynical trip-attempt, before running to the byline and winning a corner. I'm not going to say this is an everyday occurrence for Flynn, and I agree with the general assessment that he had a poor game on the whole, but at least recognise a good piece of wing play when he does it. Had De Girolamo done that people would have been talking about it for the next month!

Pretty sure he also picked out Robson for that blocked effort first half. His corner at the end was terrible, following a corner immediately before that was decent.

 

[sitwell]

Why dont Macdonald or McMahon take corners when Robson goes off ,they are supposed dead ball experts ,offer nothing in the box and flynn would be a better defender.

 

[blader]

Could have sworn I saw both Flynn and Murphy get to the byline on a number of occasions today, unfortunately either the final delivery was poor or there just weren't enough striker/midfield players getting into the box to finish.

Thought we had the same problem today generally - ball retention generally pretty good but we paid the price of too slow build up, which gave them chance to get organised in front of us.

I thought today was frustrating in the result and the atmosphere was OK.

Well, I'm afraid, Sir, you are incorrect. Murphy got to the byline several times, but Flynn did not on one single occasion. I know this as i consciously watched Flynn today because I knew this argument would come up again!

He just has to be dropped, why can a scapegoat not just be a player who is not good enough?? I also think it frustrates people because we have replacements for Flynn. We can't drop: Kitson, Doyle, Macca, Collins, Maguire because we do not have similar players who can step in. However, we have 2 wingers on the bench who could at least do what Flynn does, and more in my opinion. I think that's why people are calling for him to be dropped.

 

[silverfox]

Well, I'm afraid, Sir, you are incorrect. Murphy got to the byline several times, but Flynn did not on one single occasion. I know this as i consciously watched Flynn today because I knew this argument would come up again!

He just has to be dropped, why can a scapegoat not just be a player who is not good enough?? I also think it frustrates people because we have replacements for Flynn. We can't drop: Kitson, Doyle, Macca, Collins, Maguire because we do not have similar players who can step in. However, we have 2 wingers on the bench who could at least do what Flynn does, and more in my opinion. I think that's why people are calling for him to be dropped.

I'm sure any player can be dropped if they are playing so poor.....can't they?

 

[super_pig]

i'm not even going to read this dross.. it's the new monty thread.. if flynn wants to stop being the scapegoat i have a few simple tips for him.. stop being so fucking crap.. get your foot in.. stop falling down. get the right side of the opposing player and stop checking back all the time.. 'ah he puts a good shift in' .. fuck that shit.. stop feeling sorry for him we are effectively playing with ten men

 

[super_pig]

Oh aye, without doubt Flynny is the new Monty, Tonge, Gannon etc and going back to my early days the unfortunate Tony Wagstaff, built a bit like Flynny and the butt of the 'flat caps' ire whenever the poor lad played.
Today the flynnfuckers were in front behind and to the sides of me. Granted the kid had a bad one today (and I've defended him all season), he looks tired and ready for a break from the starting line up imo, but I really don't get the abuse he or any of those who don the red & white stripes receive.
Abusing your own players - what is the fucking point, I ask you!

seal..

 

[alcoblade]

Flynn can and will beat a man, a regular problem however is that when he receives the ball he's more often than not the player in the most advanced position with no-one near joining him... Therefore having to come backwards.

I pointed this out to a guy who was abusing him at Oldham, discussed the positions of the strikeforce and his fellow midfielders, his response: "well we shouldn't fucking pass to him then!".

He was involved in some of our better moves today despite nothing really coming off, also worked hard as per.

McDonald though, made one, single, best pass of the game and for the rest of the game was poor

You've made this point before and I'm sure you're set on it.

Time after time he has several options - yet he persistently chooses the same one - backwards.

He worked hard off the ball to his credit - but this constant apologising for players who don't do the basics of their game threatens to be our undoing. Beat a man / put a telling ball in - 1. Protect your defence - 2.

UTB

 

[blader]

You've made this point before and I'm sure you're set on it.

Time after time he has several options - yet he persistently chooses the same one - backwards.

He worked hard off the ball to his credit - but this constant apologising for players who don't do the basics of their game threatens to be our undoing. Beat a man / put a telling ball in - 1. Protect your defence - 2.

UTB

Fully agree, alco. This constant evidence used defence of him makes me think that, if true, Flynn should be at right back. Actually, with Mcmahon's limited ability going forward (and sometimes in defence) is that the worst idea for home games? Maybe I've had a few too many and really need to go to bed...

 

[Bergen Blade]

You've made this point before and I'm sure you're set on it.

Time after time he has several options - yet he persistently chooses the same one - backwards.

UTB

If there's noone in the box before he contemplates making a run towards the byline, there could still be time for team mates to get in there by the time a cross comes in. If it repeatedly was a problem that Flynn raced to the byline and whipped in good crosses to nobody, that would be something to work on in training, and maybe not the hardest thing to put right.

But I don't think we should expect Flynn to do that on a regular basis. We have players who can probably give us more of that, which is why he should be competing with Robson for one creative/solid/non-dribbling wide role.