CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

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BrisBlade said:
We've currently got 23 seniors (3x GK, 10x defenders, 8 x midfield, 2x strikers, plus Osula, Jebbo and Traore who are under 21). This includes a few crocked ones though: Fleck, Brewster, RND and Coulibaly.
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No point giving Fleck or RND squad numbers imo, although hope springs eternal re Brewster
 

Sheffsteel said:
Here's the situation.

Villa are like the ticket tout outside a stadium with a handful of tickets 15 minutes before the match.
It's a Leonel Messi match and the tout knows there are people desperate to watch, so the 40 dollar tickets are being sold at 300 dollars.
Sheffield United are really desperate....will we pay the asking price with the added "desperation tax"?

We're realised that we can turn the tables on Villa.
Imagine a ticket tout 5 minute before kick-off with a few spare unsold tickets, the price now reduced to 150 dollars.
At kick off the price of the tickets reduces again to 80 dollars.

Basically as we near the end of the transfer window.....it's suddenly Villa who become desperate to sell.
They don't have any plans to use Archer.....so need to loan him out or sell him this window.
.....otherwise they'll have an unhappy stagnant player on their books losing value.

So United are waiting in the wings.....if Villa receive bids from other clubs we'll probably lose him.
If they don't receive any interest from PL clubs for 20 million...then they'll return to us asking if we're still interested.
United will be lining up alternative strikers....just incase Archer goes elsewhere.
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That's all well and good, but there's no sign that Villa actually want to sell him. They've just responded to an enquiry.

I'm pretty sure they won't give a shit if they're 'lumbered' with him come the end of the window.
 
Blade56 said:
Or…….. 5 mins to KO and tout drops price then there 20 people willing to buy his 10 tickets
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Ha ha yeh thats always the risk.
Wouldn't surprise me if our tactic is to leave much of our business until the final day.
Then it'll be a right free for all (like a jumble sale) and there could be other desperate clubs entering the frame.

Regards loans...I can imagine we've asked Man City about Palmer, McAtee and Doyle.
and Pep has basically said all 3 may be available but he's told us he won't know what's happening until the final week of the window.
Pep and Man City will probably say how they were impressed with how we death with Doyle and McAtee...so we'll be favourites for their players.
So we have little choice but to stay patient....however Pep could easily back track and change his mind.
 
If I was Villa, I'd loan him to Leeds or somewhere similar. Get a million or two loan fee and then know he will score goals and his value next sumner will go up even more. They are not short of money Villa and know that he is a player whose value should increase not decrease. Even now say they can't get 20 million currently and us or other teams are prepared to pay no more than 12-14 mill they may wait. Villa will feel that us not going to go down if he has another good loan in the Champ. Look at Gyokeres who went for a lot more. McBurnie and Brewster too.

Villa hold all the cards and will be in no rush knowing they can stick him on loan if no-one pays their asking fee. Would it be ridiculous for United to just take him on loan thus avoiding the Brewster situation? If we go down he ain't staying anyway as we will need to cut costs. If we stay up we can buy him?

I get the obsession with having players tied down but lets say we sign Archer for 14 mill and go down,then we probably only make our money back if we do go down (see price tag of a more proven albeit older striker in Adams).

United seem fixed into getting one or two young attackers from City/United as if they have to be our loans but it seems Archer is as unlikely to sign permanently than them two?
 
Deadbat said:
If I was Villa, I'd loan him to Leeds or somewhere similar. Get a million or two loan fee and then know he will score goals and his value next sumner will go up even more. They are not short of money Villa and know that he is a player whose value should increase not decrease. Even now say they can't get 20 million currently and us or other teams are prepared to pay no more than 12-14 mill they may wait. Villa will feel that us not going to go down if he has another good loan in the Champ. Look at Gyokeres who went for a lot more. McBurnie and Brewster too.

Villa hold all the cards and will be in no rush knowing they can stick him on loan if no-one pays their asking fee. Would it be ridiculous for United to just take him on loan thus avoiding the Brewster situation? If we go down he ain't staying anyway as we will need to cut costs. If we stay up we can buy him?

I get the obsession with having players tied down but lets say we sign Archer for 14 mill and go down,then we probably only make our money back if we do go down (see price tag of a more proven albeit older striker in Adams).

United seem fixed into getting one or two young attackers from City/United as if they have to be our loans but it seems Archer is as unlikely to sign permanently than them two?
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On the flip side, Villa pretty much did the same with Davis, supposedly turned down £15m a few years ago but then eventually shipped him on loan again and then he flopped somewhat and are now selling for £1m. I do agree though, as unfortunately they're rich enough to be able to afford to risk those scenarios.
 
Lord Eddard Muir said:
No point giving Fleck or RND squad numbers imo, although hope springs eternal re Brewster
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Agree on Fleck. RND's injury (and Coulibaly's for that matter) is both mysterious and ominous. Ideally, to fill the squad my shopping list would be:
  • Origi or Archer for one of the two free spots (or get both if Brewster is out for longer than we thought).
  • Get the Man U fella in on loan for the other free spots.
  • Sell Lowe and get in the Wolves fella.
  • Get Macca back on loan for Flecks spot.
  • Get Doyle or O'Brien in as a perm for Coulibaly if he is gone.
  • Get another CB for cover using RND's spot if he is gone (overseas loan?).
  • Get the Plymouth keeper in for competition for Wes and get Amissah a good loan.
Not too much to ask is it? 😀
 
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Sheffsteel said:
Here's the situation.

Villa are like the ticket tout outside a stadium with a handful of tickets 15 minutes before the match.
It's a Leonel Messi match and the tout knows there are people desperate to watch, so the 40 dollar tickets are being sold at 300 dollars.
Sheffield United are really desperate....will we pay the asking price with the added "desperation tax"?

We're realised that we can turn the tables on Villa.
Imagine a ticket tout 5 minute before kick-off with a few spare unsold tickets, the price now reduced to 150 dollars.
At kick off the price of the tickets reduces again to 80 dollars.
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Aye
Then you realise you’ve been scammed (again) & have lashed out $80 to watch Lionel Messi’s doppelgänger 😉
 
Deadbat said:
If I was Villa, I'd loan him to Leeds or somewhere similar. Get a million or two loan fee and then know he will score goals and his value next sumner will go up even more. They are not short of money Villa and know that he is a player whose value should increase not decrease. Even now say they can't get 20 million currently and us or other teams are prepared to pay no more than 12-14 mill they may wait. Villa will feel that us not going to go down if he has another good loan in the Champ. Look at Gyokeres who went for a lot more. McBurnie and Brewster too.

Villa hold all the cards and will be in no rush knowing they can stick him on loan if no-one pays their asking fee. Would it be ridiculous for United to just take him on loan thus avoiding the Brewster situation? If we go down he ain't staying anyway as we will need to cut costs. If we stay up we can buy him?

I get the obsession with having players tied down but lets say we sign Archer for 14 mill and go down,then we probably only make our money back if we do go down (see price tag of a more proven albeit older striker in Adams).

United seem fixed into getting one or two young attackers from City/United as if they have to be our loans but it seems Archer is as unlikely to sign permanently than them two?
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He's apparently said he doesn't want another Championship move though. He wants a move to the PL. I'm sure he would rather play anywhere than sit on the bench at villa but this must be the one point that puts us a stronger position than others and may mean it's worth holding out to see what happens
 
Deadbat said:
If I was Villa, I'd loan him to Leeds or somewhere similar. Get a million or two loan fee and then know he will score goals and his value next sumner will go up even more. They are not short of money Villa and know that he is a player whose value should increase not decrease. Even now say they can't get 20 million currently and us or other teams are prepared to pay no more than 12-14 mill they may wait. Villa will feel that us not going to go down if he has another good loan in the Champ. Look at Gyokeres who went for a lot more. McBurnie and Brewster too.

Villa hold all the cards and will be in no rush knowing they can stick him on loan if no-one pays their asking fee. Would it be ridiculous for United to just take him on loan thus avoiding the Brewster situation? If we go down he ain't staying anyway as we will need to cut costs. If we stay up we can buy him?

I get the obsession with having players tied down but lets say we sign Archer for 14 mill and go down,then we probably only make our money back if we do go down (see price tag of a more proven albeit older striker in Adams).

United seem fixed into getting one or two young attackers from City/United as if they have to be our loans but it seems Archer is as unlikely to sign permanently than them two?
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The guy on Blades Ramble was suggesting that Villa need to sell him because of FFP. Don't know how true that is but he seemed confident he wouldn't go out on loan and def not to a championship side.
 
Railway Blade said:
The guy on Blades Ramble was suggesting that Villa need to sell him because of FFP. Don't know how true that is but he seemed confident he wouldn't go out on loan and def not to a championship side.
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Also loaning Archer out to a Championship club won't increase his value....he's already prove he's an excellent player at that level, so his value has increased.
Archers' agent won't want his player to have another season in the Championship....unless it's offer they can't refuse....also it's better than not playing.

Archer is at an age where he needs to be playing in the Premier League this season to help his progression.
If Villa don't have space for him and don't intend to play him....they can either watch him go backwards and loose value
or loan him to a Premier League club or simply sell him to anyone.
If it was a sale...then assume Villa would prefer to sell to a Championship club to keep us weaker...but the player would prefer the PL.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Here's the situation.

Villa are like the ticket tout outside a stadium with a handful of tickets 15 minutes before the match.
It's a Leonel Messi match and the tout knows there are people desperate to watch, so the 40 dollar tickets are being sold at 300 dollars.
Sheffield United are really desperate....will we pay the asking price with the added "desperation tax"?

We're realised that we can turn the tables on Villa.
Imagine a ticket tout 5 minute before kick-off with a few spare unsold tickets, the price now reduced to 150 dollars.
At kick off the price of the tickets reduces again to 80 dollars.

Basically as we near the end of the transfer window.....it's suddenly Villa who become desperate to sell.
They don't have any plans to use Archer.....so need to loan him out or sell him this window.
.....otherwise they'll have an unhappy stagnant player on their books losing value.

So United are waiting in the wings.....if Villa receive bids from other clubs we'll probably lose him.
If they don't receive any interest from PL clubs for 20 million...then they'll return to us asking if we're still interested.
United will be lining up alternative strikers....just incase Archer goes elsewhere.
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Yes i understand all that mate but I should imagine the manager would have liked a striker in as soon as possible to work with him rather than wait .As we speak now there is not long to go before things come to a head so it would be nice if your theory comes true just hope no other club jumps in and leaves us high and dry without the striker we desperately need Dont get me wrong i would like to see him at the Lane but not for the fee they are asking for and all the sell back clauses.
 

Like him or loathe him, he still walks into our starting 11 currently.

This idea that he’s suddenly shit now he’s left doesn’t hold much water to me.

Yes, he was inconsistent, but he also offered something in games when we needed something, alongside Ndiaye, McAtee and Doyle.

Replacing 4 creative players with 1 isn’t solid recruitment currently.
 
ekke287 said:
Like him or loathe him, he still walks into our starting 11 currently.

This idea that he’s suddenly shit now he’s left doesn’t hold much water to me.

Yes, he was inconsistent, but he also offered something in games when we needed something, alongside Ndiaye, McAtee and Doyle.

Replacing 4 creative players with 1 isn’t solid recruitment currently.
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Further forward he would start but I'd rather have Souza and Hamer in CM.
 
Bell4 said:
This

Always rocked up in anticipation of watching our 6’4 midfielder dominate play and get us off our seats .

Probably happened 7/8 times for 15/20 min slots the whole time he was with us

No heart
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If he was 5'11" people wouldn't be saying this and just assume that because he is tall that he is a different sort of player to what he actually is
 
From the pig end said:
Berge 100% went missing in games.
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I liked Berge but he 100% did go missing in games

He was without doubt for such a tall lad an hopeless header of the ball and...

He was without doubt for such a big unit weak in the tackle

Not once did he grab a game by scruff of the neck and single handedly win it for us.

First half of last season - Norwood was the the best midfielder we had

Second half Doyle was the best midfielder we had

Berge was by no means rubbish but what we got for him was a good deal, now Ndiaye thats a total different kettle of fish.
 
jt64 said:
If he was 5'11" people wouldn't be saying this and just assume that because he is tall that he is a different sort of player to what he actually is
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He has all the physical attributes to dominate - ala - D Rice , but he didn't - he was grossly underwhelming , and i was a fan!
 
ekke287 said:
Like him or loathe him, he still walks into our starting 11 currently.

This idea that he’s suddenly shit now he’s left doesn’t hold much water to me.

Yes, he was inconsistent, but he also offered something in games when we needed something, alongside Ndiaye, McAtee and Doyle.

Replacing 4 creative players with 1 isn’t solid recruitment currently.
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I liked him

But he offered very little over the three years -
 
ekke287 said:
Like him or loathe him, he still walks into our starting 11 currently.

This idea that he’s suddenly shit now he’s left doesn’t hold much water to me.

Yes, he was inconsistent, but he also offered something in games when we needed something, alongside Ndiaye, McAtee and Doyle.

Replacing 4 creative players with 1 isn’t solid recruitment currently.
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I don’t think anyone is saying that. On his day, Berge was a class apart and second only to Ndiaye in terms of quality, and comfortably ahead of anyone else. The way he’d waltz past defenders was exceptional.

But there was just a weird thing where he only seemed to be able to occasionally switch it on. And if he didn’t switch it on, what was left was a player who mostly jogged around the pitch, often lost 50/50s and played effectively scared football by continually passing sideways or backwards. I appreciate you can’t go past defenders every time but there was a weird contrast with Berge where he was either contributing massively or contributing very little at all. I have to say watching him jog around for Burnley contributing very little in their game against Man City made me realise I’m not sure I’ll miss him a great deal. Man City are obviously a pretty exceptional team, but we also need to recognise that Berge was inconsistent even while up against Champ teams.

If Hamer can bring and maintain a high level of willingness to carry the ball, make positive passes and put pressure on the opposition off the ball to the standards he’s already starting showing then he’s a clear upgrade on Berge. This is not suddenly deciding Berge is shit either.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
I don’t think anyone is saying that. On his day, Berge was a class apart and second only to Ndiaye in terms of quality, and comfortably ahead of anyone else. The way he’d waltz past defenders was exceptional.

But there was just a weird thing where he only seemed to be able to occasionally switch it on. And if he didn’t switch it on, what was left was a player who mostly jogged around the pitch, often lost 50/50s and played effectively scared football by continually passing sideways or backwards. I appreciate you can’t go past defenders every time but there was a weird contrast with Berge where he was either contributing massively or contributing very little at all. I have to say watching him jog around for Burnley contributing very little in their game against Man City made me realise I’m not sure I’ll miss him a great deal. Man City are obviously a pretty exceptional team, but we also need to recognise that Berge was inconsistent even while up against Champ teams.

If Hamer can bring and maintain a high level of willingness to carry the ball, make positive passes and put pressure on the opposition off the ball to the standards he’s already starting showing then he’s a clear upgrade on Berge. This is not suddenly deciding Berge is shit either.
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Well said - this
 
ekke287 said:
Like him or loathe him, he still walks into our starting 11 currently.

This idea that he’s suddenly shit now he’s left doesn’t hold much water to me.

Yes, he was inconsistent, but he also offered something in games when we needed something, alongside Ndiaye, McAtee and Doyle.

Replacing 4 creative players with 1 isn’t solid recruitment currently.
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A midfield of berge/hammer/Souza

Is a top draw midfield easily good enough for the prem

Maybe I’d wed have signed them before he went he’d have wanted to stay
 

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