CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

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Booker4 said:
It's all well and good saying £20m is too much but if we get a cheaper alternative that isn't ready then we're almost certainly relegated. Even at £20m I still think it will be a good price in the long term, I don't think he's the next Brewster. Only time will tell but I do think Archer will prove to be a good player at PL level.
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My guess on the buyback thing is effectively they want to buy him back for a figure near what they sold him for making it effectively a loan where if he is shite or gets injured we lose £15m

I think the Brewster deal had a decent profit attached making it worthwhile.
 
FriethBlade said:
Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, the thinking that 18m is a lot of money is way out of line in the premier league. Brennan Johnson is valued at over 50m, MGW went for 40m+ etc etc.

We should be able to reinvest the Ndiaye money on a striker and if we can't we are basically accepting thst the PL is
not for us and we have no intention of seriously trying to stay up
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Spot on 👏🏻
 
Bell4 said:
It’s odd isn’t it

Be careful what you wish /aspire for

Winning promotion to the top league in world football only to quite probably endure a season of misery and frustration before going back to where we came to try and do it all over again . Self defeating behaviour.

After all - it’s not that we had any time whatsoever to get our act together to be able to create conditions that gives our manager a sniff of a chance is it ?

We have well known and sensible contributors to this forum who openly state that they have accepted relegation - by the start of August .

You really have to go some to create that kind of mindset within elements of your fan base so early on when nearly every other club on the planet and their supporters would be full of enthusiasm, hope and energy .

What a shit show
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I agree with this but I still have decent enthusiasm for the future for the below reasons.
  • Promotion for me was about landing that monumental financial reward that would provide stability for the club.
  • Failing to get promoted last year would have left us selling all of our best assets to plug the financial hole of another year in the Championship.
  • The squad would have been built with academy players in one of the hardest leagues in the world to get promoted in. At best, a few good players from league 1 signing for us and loans from other Championship sides.
  • Without Promotion last season, relegation to league 1 in the Championship this season would have been a genuine risk.
It's not lost on me that promotion has secured a lot for out football club. We could have well been on our way down the ranks like Derby.

I see this season as rebuilding the squad to be in good contention to get promoted from the Championship in the 24/25 season.
  • Long contracts for cheap, but potentially solid young players for us throughout the next few years.
  • Debts paid and financial security for the club, so that if we do get promoted in 24/25, we are hopefully in a more stable place to spend the promotion funds.
  • New owners with new investment hopefully a bonus along the way.
There's no getting away from the shit show of planning for recruitment and of course, the disaster of the contract situation with so many of our regular players only having 1 year left. Survival in the Premier League this season will be exceptionally hard but not unachievable. If we do, a lot of those players may sign extensions and we may have further funds to spend next season to be a little more ambitious than survival. My point is that if we do go down, our risk of going bust and heading to league 1 at 200mph should not be the case given our business at the moment here. I was gutted as most about Sander and Illy, but in hindsight, using those funds to secure our future next season rather than giving it a go for a year is sensible.

I will be going to almost every game with the other thousands of blades fans and roaring them on. If these boys are with Hecky and give 100% in every match, we may pull off something incredible, but if not, at least our club will not sail down the ranks back to league 1 for years.
 
Bell4 said:
It’s odd isn’t it

Be careful what you wish /aspire for

Winning promotion to the top league in world football only to quite probably endure a season of misery and frustration before going back to where we came to try and do it all over again . Self defeating behaviour.

After all - it’s not that we had any time whatsoever to get our act together to be able to create conditions that gives our manager a sniff of a chance is it ?

We have well known and sensible contributors to this forum who openly state that they have accepted relegation - by the start of August .

You really have to go some to create that kind of mindset within elements of your fan base so early on when nearly every other club on the planet and their supporters would be full of enthusiasm, hope and energy .

What a shit show
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Well, if you have accepted relegation after one match then you aren't very supportive, or a supporter at all, are you? History tells us, that things change very quickly in football, for better and worse.
A constant nagging, depressing, negative, repetitive, boring narrative is the real reason some "supporters" feel as they do.
The club has signed 7 players, it will probably be around 10 by deadline day. It does it's best to improve. It undoubtedly gets things wrong. Every club does. It has relatively low amounts to spend in this division. That's a fact. You can't change that.
What you can do is actually support it. Encourage, promote, enthuse and project positivity, even when it's tough. That's supporting. Research any great manager and they'll all tell you, that some of these despondent doom mongers amongst us, are the very people they'd least like to have on board.
 
MojoMuffin said:
I agree with this but I still have decent enthusiasm for the future for the below reasons.
  • Promotion for me was about landing that monumental financial reward that would provide stability for the club.
  • Failing to get promoted last year would have left us selling all of our best assets to plug the financial hole of another year in the Championship.
  • The squad would have been built with academy players in one of the hardest leagues in the world to get promoted in. At best, a few good players from league 1 signing for us and loans from other Championship sides.
  • Without Promotion last season, relegation to league 1 in the Championship this season would have been a genuine risk.
It's not lost on me that promotion has secured a lot for out football club. We could have well been on our way down the ranks like Derby.

I see this season as rebuilding the squad to be in good contention to get promoted from the Championship in the 24/25 season.
  • Long contracts for cheap, but potentially solid young players for us throughout the next few years.
  • Debts paid and financial security for the club, so that if we do get promoted in 24/25, we are hopefully in a more stable place to spend the promotion funds.
  • New owners with new investment hopefully a bonus along the way.
There's no getting away from the shit show of planning for recruitment and of course, the disaster of the contract situation with so many of our regular players only having 1 year left. Survival in the Premier League this season will be exceptionally hard but not unachievable. If we do, a lot of those players may sign extensions and we may have further funds to spend next season to be a little more ambitious than survival. My point is that if we do go down, our risk of going bust and heading to league 1 at 200mph should not be the case given our business at the moment here. I was gutted as most about Sander and Illy, but in hindsight, using those funds to secure our future next season rather than giving it a go for a year is sensible.

I will be going to almost every game with the other thousands of blades fans and roaring them on. If these boys are with Hecky and give 100% in every match, we may pull off something incredible, but if not, at least our club will not sail down the ranks back to league 1 for years.
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100% spot on. Promotion bailed us out. Lets not put ourselves in a position where we risk the club again. I'd be happy to get relegated with the lowest points total ever if it puts the club back on an even keel with finances.
 
FriethBlade said:
Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, the thinking that 18m is a lot of money is way out of line in the premier league. Brennan Johnson is valued at over 50m, MGW went for 40m+ etc etc.

We should be able to reinvest the Ndiaye money on a striker and if we can't we are basically accepting thst the PL is
not for us and we have no intention of seriously trying to stay up
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100% this. If you want a young English striker with a decent goalscoring record in the championship then that's £20m.

We're miles out of our depth with our current spending. When we sold Ndiaye & Berge I'd possibly say we were in a similar position to Forest who literally lost the bulk of their squad that got them promoted. They had to spend big on MGW and quite a few others to have any chance of survival. You'll see a few success stories every now and again where a team survives on a shoestring budget, but that's few and far between. Unfortunately, history shows you have to spend big on quality to have any chance of surviving.
 
What's the player going to do if he's not going on loan and isn't in their plans? Tea lady duties?

I'd hand in a transfer request if I were him.
 

Be interesting to see how many of those who think Archer is overpriced, criticised the club for paying the McBurnie fee
 
Not knowing the offer on the table in the slightest, but I get the impression we have somewhere in the region of £10m left in our budget and we're extremely reluctant to go over that mark. We are crying out for a striker and we just seem to be dillydallying. It's going to be extremely hard to find a striker in that price range that is premier league ready. At this rate if we don't get Archer we may as well just go with the youth and hope they produce.
 
George_Forman said:
Not knowing the offer on the table in the slightest, but I get the impression we have somewhere in the region of £10m left in our budget and we're extremely reluctant to go over that mark. We are crying out for a striker and we just seem to be dillydallying. It's going to be extremely hard to find a striker in that price range that is premier league ready. At this rate if we don't get Archer we may as well just go with the youth and hope they produce.
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Why 10m? Tje Prince when interviewed inferred we got more than 15m for Ndiaye. Hecky stated that he had been told he could spend all the Ndiaye money
 
George_Forman said:
Not knowing the offer on the table in the slightest, but I get the impression we have somewhere in the region of £10m left in our budget and we're extremely reluctant to go over that mark. We are crying out for a striker and we just seem to be dillydallying. It's going to be extremely hard to find a striker in that price range that is premier league ready. At this rate if we don't get Archer we may as well just go with the youth and hope they produce.
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We haven't spent f*ck all so far.
 
MojoMuffin said:
I agree with this but I still have decent enthusiasm for the future for the below reasons.
  • Promotion for me was about landing that monumental financial reward that would provide stability for the club.
  • Failing to get promoted last year would have left us selling all of our best assets to plug the financial hole of another year in the Championship.
  • The squad would have been built with academy players in one of the hardest leagues in the world to get promoted in. At best, a few good players from league 1 signing for us and loans from other Championship sides.
  • Without Promotion last season, relegation to league 1 in the Championship this season would have been a genuine risk.
It's not lost on me that promotion has secured a lot for out football club. We could have well been on our way down the ranks like Derby.

I see this season as rebuilding the squad to be in good contention to get promoted from the Championship in the 24/25 season.
  • Long contracts for cheap, but potentially solid young players for us throughout the next few years.
  • Debts paid and financial security for the club, so that if we do get promoted in 24/25, we are hopefully in a more stable place to spend the promotion funds.
  • New owners with new investment hopefully a bonus along the way.
There's no getting away from the shit show of planning for recruitment and of course, the disaster of the contract situation with so many of our regular players only having 1 year left. Survival in the Premier League this season will be exceptionally hard but not unachievable. If we do, a lot of those players may sign extensions and we may have further funds to spend next season to be a little more ambitious than survival. My point is that if we do go down, our risk of going bust and heading to league 1 at 200mph should not be the case given our business at the moment here. I was gutted as most about Sander and Illy, but in hindsight, using those funds to secure our future next season rather than giving it a go for a year is sensible.

I will be going to almost every game with the other thousands of blades fans and roaring them on. If these boys are with Hecky and give 100% in every match, we may pull off something incredible, but if not, at least our club will not sail down the ranks back to league 1 for years.
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I hope you are right mate and hope that the lack of investment in the squad is down to putting the club on a more financial footing .I think if this is the case most Blades fans would accept this even though it would be disappointing not being able to compete in the prem . If we get relegated and we are still in the shit then the fans would be quite rightly asking questions .
 
FriethBlade said:
Why 10m? Tje Prince when interviewed inferred we got more than 15m for Ndiaye. Hecky stated that he had been told he could spend all the Ndiaye money
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We just don't seem to be budging from the 10-15m range. I know it's probably down to the buy back clause but it was the same issue with Akpom. Yes I know we probably didn't value him at 12m but if he was hecky's top target surly you'd go a little over you're valuation for him
 
This shows we cannot compete. If we aren’t willing to pay premier league prices we won’t be in the premier league. Time and time again we make it and then throw the opportunity away in not investing properly.
 
FriethBlade said:
Yep bit like me offering 20k for a 40k BMW and being told no then pulling out
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Tin fucking pot

If this is the case. Why the hell didn’t we go for Akpom as he was in our tin pot budget.

And, a bloody big and, we should have not sold #29 if we can only get half an Archer for what we sold him for.

Get the fat Arab out of this club, sooner the better!
 

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