CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

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I wouldn’t go higher than 14m and they won’t get bigger than 14m unless we are daft enough.

Hardly anyone in the Championship would be inclined to pay that and only us and Luton are interested from the top flight.

So who do Villa think they are getting 18m from?
 
ThatJa said:
Not sure why we would pull out of a 12m deal for Akpom if its too much, only then to spend 18m+ on Archer.
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Because Archer is 21. The hope for United is twofold, firstly that whoever we sign is a 10 goal PL striker and secondly that they have the potential to be sold for well above what we paid. Akpom may have met the first element of that but at 27 (28 in October) he's not going to fulfil the second.

Also re Che Adams, his release clause expired yesterday, so its pretty dumb to then bid for him....
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August 16th is a bizarre day for a release clause to expire. Where did you hear that?
 
ThatJa said:
Not sure why we would pull out of a 12m deal for Akpom if its too much, only then to spend 18m+ on Archer.

Also re Che Adams, his release clause expired yesterday, so its pretty dumb to then bid for him....
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It wasn't the £12 million transfer, it was the length of contract with poor resale value.
Also if we'd have matched £12 mill the Ajax would have likely increased it, so we have been in an auction pusing the price up making him poor value.

At least with Archer....we can afford to take a risk because he's still young, so if we are relegated and things turn sour.
At least we can selll Archer probably for a decent fee where as Akpom would be worth little and he'd continue to paid his £30 to £40K for 5 years
making staying within FFP really tricky in the Championship.
 
ThatJa said:
Not sure why we would pull out of a 12m deal for Akpom if its too much, only then to spend 18m+ on Archer.

Also re Che Adams, his release clause expired yesterday, so its pretty dumb to then bid for him....
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Re-sale value. Archer would be 24 nearing the end of his contract with us Akpom would be nearly 32 so we would hopefully get a far bigger future resale for Archer therefore recouping the spend.
 
YES Blade said:
The market is what someone is willing to pay for him.

We’re bidding against Luton and maybe some Championship clubs, that should tell you that Archer ain’t worth what Villa are asking. That’s part of signing a player, knowing who else is interested and adapting your buying strategy to suit.
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Time is a factor though, surely. Do we keep lowballing right up to the end of the window to get the best price, by which time our 4th, 5th and 6th choice strikers have possibly gone elsewhere? What if an established team steps in later in the window and buys him as a squad player cos all of their other targets have gone?
Lets say we do get him at the end of the window. We save a few million quid but we're already 6 points adrift at the foot of the table by then, and at that point Archer ain't even trained with us!
I'll say it again - we're fucking about!
 
Balham Blade said:
Because Archer is 21. The hope for United is twofold, firstly that whoever we sign is a 10 goal PL striker and secondly that they have the potential to be sold for well above what we paid. Akpom may have met the first element of that but at 27 (28 in October) he's not going to fulfil the second.


August 16th is a bizarre day for a release clause to expire. Where did you hear that?
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It’ll be to give the club time to find a replacement. Makes perfect sense it ending on the 16th
 
CoatesyBlade said:
It’ll be to give the club time to find a replacement. Makes perfect sense it ending on the 16th
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It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. July 31st makes sense, as would a deadline set before the start of the season, or one tied to the end transfer window. Not one which expires on a Wednesday in the second week of the season.
 
Sheffsteel said:
We could easily afford 12 million for Akpom.
However the transfer fee is only half the equation.

The rest of the equation, which many of out fans never really consider is the salary
but more importantly the "relegation clause" and length of contract.
Common sense says any promoted club has a good chance of instant relegation, so when we're negotiating salaries.
It's not the set salary that matters, most players are looking at the drop in wage figure if and when we're relegated.

No way can we afford a no relegation clause, it's obvious really because it could lead to probably FFP issues, with points deductions and possibly admin.
Also if you accept the reports that he was given a 5 year contract, then basically Akpom has secured his future.
There's no way we would commit ourselves to such a lengthy commitment.

Imagine if we're relegated and a new owner comes in.
He'll think who ever gave Akpom a massive contract with no relegation clause was total madness.
Especially if he's ordinary again this season, all Blades would be saying "you only have to look at Wikipedia to see he's a one season wonder, Bettis out".
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Problem is you are not only assuming what Akpom relegation clause would be, you are also assuming that whatever targets we have next up to look at, also won’t have similar

It’s not that I don’t get the point, it’s more that sometimes it might be worth the risk rather than settling for inferior just because they cost less
 
Balti Pie said:
Time is a factor though, surely. Do we keep lowballing right up to the end of the window to get the best price, by which time our 4th, 5th and 6th choice strikers have possibly gone elsewhere? What if an established team steps in later in the window and buys him as a squad player cos all of their other targets have gone?
Lets say we do get him at the end of the window. We save a few million quid but we're already 6 points adrift at the foot of the table by then, and at that point Archer ain't even trained with us!
I'll say it again - we're fucking about!
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What if the choice is £14m for Archer and we can also afford to sign Doyle or it’s £18m and no Doyle?

We’ve got a limited budget, we need to use it wisely. Making panicked, desperate signings is crazy and we’ll regret it in the long run.

Stick to our valuation and if we get the player then great, if he goes elsewhere then so be it.
 

Sheffsteel said:
No way can we afford a no relegation clause,
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That’s what parachute payments are for aren’t they? To pay off high contracts if religated not to buy more players. If your employer hits a rough patch and says sales are down so I’m cutting everyone’s wages but bringing in more people you’d rightly kick off.
 
YES Blade said:
What if the choice is £14m for Archer and we can also afford to sign Doyle or it’s £18m and no Doyle?

We’ve got a limited budget, we need to use it wisely. Making panicked, desperate signings is crazy and we’ll regret it in the long run.

Stick to our valuation and if we get the player then great, if he goes elsewhere then so be it.
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Archer + no Doyle ....no issue imo
 
Every game weekend that passes, the more chance a striker is injured somewhere in Europe and the competition for the player could increase. This dragging on is down to Villa, not us. And it's understandable.
 
YES Blade said:
What if the choice is £14m for Archer and we can also afford to sign Doyle or it’s £18m and no Doyle?

We’ve got a limited budget, we need to use it wisely. Making panicked, desperate signings is crazy and we’ll regret it in the long run.

Stick to our valuation and if we get the player then great, if he goes elsewhere then so be it.
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With the players we've brought into midfield, you'd think Doyle is now a luxury we can't afford so doesn't really come into it.
 
YES Blade said:
What if the choice is £14m for Archer and we can also afford to sign Doyle or it’s £18m and no Doyle?

We’ve got a limited budget, we need to use it wisely. Making panicked, desperate signings is crazy and we’ll regret it in the long run.

Stick to our valuation and if we get the player then great, if he goes elsewhere then so be it.
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I do get your point, but we seem to be juggling plates and sometimes when you do that you just end up with a load of smashed plates! 😂 It's a dangerous game which could lead to the well worn phrase being wheeled out again, "we tried....."
I'd rather get Archer in now while we can, get him settled in, and up our chances of scoring and getting points on the board.
 
Villa wont get £18m for Archer, probably only us and Luton interested from the prem, (maybe Burnley?)......if they want to sell him they will have to drop their price, otherwise, he goes out on loan to the Champ again....
 

£12/£14 mill and if we stay up give them 20

Fuck it they can have £30 mill if they want it
 
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