Kop needs urgent redevelopment

[blade too long]

Amazing though how the real top clubs kept their facilities at the highest levels .ground .training facilities etc you can move forward just on yhe pitch. Hehe infra structure secures s clubs long term future . Yes we see between owners do redeveloping the kop just now is off the table ....but hopefully will be back on any future owners sgenda

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Won't do if we don't modernise ...that's the point Leicester did it recently and were level with us 13 year ago. It's our we are alright being also rans attitude that's always held us back

Ambition shouldn't be a dirty word

They went bankrupt is that what you’re suggesting, we build a new Kop and go into Admin?
All these ideas but if anyone actually asks how you’d fund them you’ve go no suggestions.
Unfortunately we live in the real world where you can’t just dream money into existence, but I will ask again, how would you fund it and what is your expected RoI schedule?

 

[blade too long]

If you haven’t got the money relevant or not for FFP/P&S purposes it’s a pipe dream, not a club beating issue.

Not beating the club . Just want the club to move forward on and off the pitch so we can attract better players and in time bigger crowds

They went bankrupt is that what you’re suggesting build a new Kop and go into Admin?
All these ideas but if anyone actually asks how you’d fund them you’ve go no suggestions.
Unfortunately we live in the real world where you can’t just dream money into existence.

They did bad things when building up the stadium but was a while till they won the league title....but shows admin need not be the end of the world either

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Not being rude but are you drunk?

Wouldn’t like to see what you’re like when you are being rude

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Not beating the club . Just want the club to move forward on and off the pitch so we can attract better players and in time bigger crowds

They did bad things when building up the stadium but was a while till they won the league title....but shows admin need not be the end of the world either

It’s a yes or no answer as we can’t afford it at the moment. Therefore are you proposing we build it and go into Administration given the punishments are much heavier now?
If not how are you proposing to fund it and what is the RoI.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Wouldn’t like to see what you’re like when you are being rude

Surely it would be ruder to assume he was sober and he just talking absolute juvenile nonsense.

 

[blade too long]

I've said with Prince in charge its not feasible but as soon as we areon an even keel it must go hand in hand improving on and off the pitch
As to being sober you'd have to be paraletic not to understand modernise or die. That's any business

 

[Nick Jansky]

They did bad things when building up the stadium but was a while till they won the league title....but shows admin need not be the end of the world either

Ask the small traders who are left without a penny following an admin whether it feels like the end of the world. Or don’t they matter?

 

[Pedro Verde]

There will be no major ground redevelopment until we are an established PL club or a new owner comes in who has loads of dosh
We have just escaped a big financial problem by being promoted to the PL so anyone expecting major work to be done on the ground is not living in the real world

 

[blade too long]

Ask the small traders who are left without a penny following an admin whether it feels like the end of the world. Or don’t they matter?

I don't condone how Leicester handled getting the King power built . And would be horrified if we went about it that way . We've upgraded immensely since 95 without getting in financial difficulty. We can continue in our legitimate attempt to move gorward

 

[Nightsweats]

Wouldn’t like to see what you’re like when you are being rude

Given there isn't an ounce of logic or common sense to the infrastructure before team arguement it's a perfectly reasonable question. Not a criticism.
Given both BTL and your usernames I would have thought you'd accumulated enough of both those qualities over time not to happily consign us to relegation in exchange for an uplift in pie sales.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I don't condone how Leicester handled getting the King power built . And would be horrified if we went about it that way . We've upgraded immensely since 95 without getting in financial difficulty. We can continue in our legitimate attempt to move gorward

Yes, when the finance is available to do it, but not at the expense of the team, as happened in the early 70s.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I've said with Prince in charge its not feasible but as soon as we areon an even keel it must go hand in hand improving on and off the pitch
As to being sober you'd have to be paraletic not to understand modernise or die. That's any business

It’s not an even keel if you’re wanting us to spend more than we earn.
Therefore it’s either a mortgage with rates at a high we’ve not seen for decades, we default and don’t pay, resulting in points deductions, likely relegation and young player sales, or you’re actually saying instead of an even keel, you’re expecting someone to buy the club and then have enough left over to fund it for us expecting no short or medium term return.
Would you expect them to do the same for the Academy too?

 

[YES Blade]

There will be no major ground redevelopment until we are an established PL club or a new owner comes in who has loads of dosh
We have just escaped a big financial problem by being promoted to the PL so anyone expecting major work to be done on the ground is not living in the real world

We’ll never be established in the Premier League, we’ll always be one bad season away from relegation.

We need to make a decision on a long term plan for the Lane at some point in the near future and try to finance it.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The key with McCabes model was that he sold young talent as soon as an offer came in meaning that yes we got money in the coffers and sell on clauses but the team didn’t progress on the pitch unless we had a very astute manager in place to squeeze the most out of the squad. More often than not, this was not the case. Despite long runs for Warnock and wilder coming in when things were at their lowest, most of the time the onfield side of things was not progressive

With the prince he’s been reluctant to sell when there are possibilities to progress. This gamble could’ve back fired if we didn’t go up, but it has paid off now because we did.

The prince has also seen the value in the academy and talent continues to come through

Arguable on both counts. Tonge, Montgomery, Stephen Quinn, Paddy Kenny and Phil Jagielka were all at the club for a substantial amount of time under McCabe's sole ownership.Some arguably too long.

I can think of the two Kyles and some younger lads that were sold early e.g. Slew and Mellis. There's no doubt some I've forgotten.

Under the joint ownership Calvert Lewin, Ramsdale, Adams, Murphy (young?) and Maguire were all sold pretty quickly.

Under the Prince's sole ownership none that wouldn't be classed as fringe players have left early unless we include the second Ramsdale sale. Hopefully Ndiaye isn't the first.

 

[jt64]

The perfect time is never going to arrive. But it needs to be done at some point otherwise we end up with a ground hopelessly not fit for purpose

The Kop has arguably been in that state for 20 years

 

[FTPE]

The pisses have a roof on now, god what do you young uns want!?

 

[nopigfansintown]

The current Kop was announced as being very much a temporary measure at the time. Yet here we are.

We've had more recent announcements about the Lane now being a multi purpose venue. This has been evidenced with the Brook vs Spence fight with various concerts and events. These are all considerations when looking at improving infrastructure. It's noteworthy that this ownership saw the removal of the Kop posts as a priority if we stayed up another season last time. 15 million was the cost. There was also an announcement of a new building at Shirecliffe which has since been jettisoned and talk that a new training ground/academy is wanted.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Unfortunately we live in the real world where you can’t just dream money into existence

I know it's not directly relevant here, but isn't money basically actually dreamed into existence.

I don't know much about this beyond a couple of youtube videos but that's pretty much what fiat currency is, isn't it?

 

[blade too long]

It’s not an even keel if you’re wanting us to spend more than we earn.
Therefore it’s either a mortgage with rates at a high we’ve not seen for decades, we default and don’t pay, resulting in points deductions, likely relegation and young player sales, or you’re actually saying instead of an even keel, you’re expecting someone to buy the club and then have enough left over to fund it for us expecting no short or medium term return.
Would you expect them to do the same for the Academy too?

Where did I say that . We have developed up till now without going into sdmin

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I know it's not directly relevant here, but isn't money basically actually dreamed into existence.

I don't know much about this beyond a couple of youtube videos but that's pretty much what fiat currency is, isn't it?

Sure we just need a country to buy us and put it into effect for our benefit.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Where did I say that . We have developed up till now without going into sdmin

Are you oblivious to our financial situation last season? You constantly say that you want development without saying where the money is coming from. You claim there’s a separate pot which there isn’t so which budget are you cutting? Transfers, wages, academy, back room or are you borrowing and not paying back?

 

[Nick Jansky]

I know it's not directly relevant here, but isn't money basically actually dreamed into existence.

I don't know much about this beyond a couple of youtube videos but that's pretty much what fiat currency is, isn't it?

Yes, you are correct. If you can be bothered to look (I can’t) there’s a debate on it in somewhere in General Chat in which WalthamstowBlade was handed his arse.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Yes, you are correct. If you can be bothered to look (I can’t) there’s a debate on it in somewhere in General Chat in which WalthamstowBlade was handed his arse.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Unfortunately, failure is always just round the corner for us. Our lack of investment in the team will always provide us with an excuse not to improve the ground.

 

[Tom Bott]

Leicester did it recently and were level with us 13 year ago. It's our we are alright being also rans attitude that's always held us back

They were bought by a billionaire in 2010.

That's 1000 £££££££££££ times more than McC, or HRH have.

But apart from the that no difference between them and us.
Let's have the best stadium in League 2.

 

[YES Blade]

Unfortunately, failure is always just round the corner for us. Our lack of investment in the team will always provide us with an excuse not to improve the ground.

That’s the way I see it as well. We could get ourselves mortgaged up to our eye balls and build a new stadium or spend fuck all on the Lane letting it go to wrack and ruin.

In both scenarios it’s certain we’ll end up in the Championship again and I wouldn’t rule out League One again at some point either.

So they’re never going to be that perfect time to do something.

 

[Tom Bott]

It's noteworthy that this ownership saw the removal of the Kop posts as a priority if we stayed up another season last time. 15 million was the cost. There was also an announcement of a new building at Shirecliffe which has since been jettisoned and talk that a new training ground/academy is wanted.

Yet last season couldn't pay the outstanding transfer fee(s) or afford to turn on the heating at the new training ground pitch.

Sometimes people say things to promote their own selves.

Sometimes people just talk bollocks.

The 15 million quoted has probably near doubled since then.

 

[YES Blade]

Yet last season couldn't pay the outstanding transfer fee(s) or afford to turn on the heating at the new training ground pitch.

Sometimes people say things to promote their own selves.

Sometimes people just talk bollocks.

The 15 million quoted has probably near doubled since then.

I really cannot see the point in spending £15m on removing the posts when the are plenty of other issues with the Kop.

It’s just a waste of money, might as well save that £15m and put it towards a full modern development of the Kop or another stand(s).

 

[blade too long]

Are you oblivious to our financial situation last season? You constantly say that you want development without saying where the money is coming from. You claim there’s a separate pot which there isn’t so which budget are you cutting? Transfers, wages, academy, back room or are you borrowing and not paying back?

I never once claimed we had a separate pot . I said the money a club spends on the facilities is separated from ffp costs

Just for clarity we should spend on updating out ground when we are financially sound enough to budget for it which we've done rather well since knocking down the old John Street stand.