Kop needs urgent redevelopment

[OLDBLADE43]

Lets be frank - If Mcabe was in charge during the season just gone, Berge and Illy would have been sold in Jan.

It's possible we might have not been in a position where we were put in a transfer embargo so who knows

 

[blade too long]

BOTH sheffield clubs kops are built on great mounds of earth and rubble
this old photo of when pigs put a roof on the sty show how basic they are


the sheer waste of useful square footage under a new stand is pitiful
some grounds have fantastic facilities under rebuilt stands
with decent facilities and bars

 

[Maidenhead]

Unfortunately the team is in need of much more urgent redevelopment

 

[blade too long]

Unfortunately the team is in need of much more urgent redevelopment

different money streams , money used to improve spectator comfort and safety doesnt count towards FFP
all clubs need to move forward or end up with rusty edifices with large areas of seating condemned . like wednesday

 

[Maidenhead]

different money streams , money used to improve spectator comfort and safety doesnt count towards FFP
all clubs need to move forward or end up with rusty edifices with large areas of seating condemned . like wednesday

Yep, but we only have one pot of money and it's not big enough to redevelop both.

I pay to admire the team not the beautiful stands.

 

[blade too long]

utilising what is underneath gives you this

Yep, but we only have one pot of money and it's not big enough to redevelop both.

I pay to admire the team not the beautiful stands.

we only get to admire our team in the prem by having a ground worthy of being there
if BDBTBL looked like it did in 1989 we couldnt attract the players

Luton just returned to the prem but have plans already to go ahead with a new stadium . to underline they are thinking of the future as well as the now

 

[Maidenhead]

utilising what is underneath gives you this

we only get to admire our team in the prem by having a ground worthy of being there
if BDBTBL looked like it did in 1989 we couldnt attract the players

Redevelopment of the ground in 74/75 worked well didn't it?

New South stand was soon to become the best stand in Division 4 and how proud we were.

I'm sure it went a long way towards attracting Bassett and his boys to get us back to the top division 16yrs later.

I'd rather not go through that again.

 

[blade too long]

Redevelopment of the ground in 74/75 worked well didn't it?

New South stand was soon to become the best stand in Division 4 and how proud we were.

I'm sure it went a long way towards attracting Bassett and his boys to get us back to the top division 16yrs later.

I'd rather not go through that again.

nothing to do with the stand , just shite management and a board hell bent on selling the family silver
We sold a decent first team for peanuts and started getting in piss poor players and even more clueless managers

 

[blade too long]

we could up our income substantially with clever use of space under a new stand where just piles of rubble reside



its good financial sense to ensure we maximise income

 

[Nightsweats]

nothing to do with the stand , just shite management and a board hell bent on selling the family silver
We sold a decent first team for peanuts and started getting in piss poor players and even more clueless managers

Those days went with McGrab.
Regarding ground redevelopment you're basically saying it dosen't matter what league that spend consigns us to. We'll have a pretty, comfy stadium. Great. All 15k fans will love it.
People will stand on a dung heap to watch a good, winning team. They couldn't care less whether the bogs flush or not.
Spend on ground updates comes way after consolidation in the top flight. Anyone putting it above that is frankly a bit dim.

 

[blade too long]

If true, then the sensible approach would be to almost do it last.
The South Stand should always be the priority, it would give us the higher ROI through corporate boxes and seats which could be added. Those additional seats would then reduce the impact of closing the Kop.
Personally I think it's third in line, behind the Bramall Lane stand, and I sit on Shoreham.

as I said theres up to six levels of space available under the kop a massive increase in square footage , could easily accomodate more corporate boxes on one level maybe 2 , its potential is enormous with the right architecture the south stand is 48 years old the kop is prehistoric

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

we could up our income substantially with clever use of space under a new stand where just piles of rubble reside

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its good financial sense to ensure we maximise income

Cool. Show me the RoI projection? If it pays for itself within 5 years we’ll greenlight it, if not then it’s not getting looked at with the resources we have with this owner.
Try the next guys.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

utilising what is underneath gives you this

we only get to admire our team in the prem by having a ground worthy of being there
if BDBTBL looked like it did in 1989 we couldnt attract the players

Luton just returned to the prem but have plans already to go ahead with a new stadium . to underline they are thinking of the future as well as the now
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Luton have been planning a new stadium for amthe past 30 years.

 

[blade too long]

Luton have been planning a new stadium for amthe past 30 years.

they are hoping to move in in 2026 now they have the site

google , Are Luton getting a new ground?
Luton Town FC is aiming to start groundworks for its planned new 23,500-capacity stadium before the end of the year. The club is pressing ahead with its Power Court stadium plan with the aim of submitting detailed plans before for its first match in the Premier League.May 30, 2023

 

[Tom Bott]

We have no idea what McCabe would’ve done had he won, but my guess on previous history would lean towards “fuck all” rather than progress the training facilities and ground.

Yet how did the academy get to the state it is, providing more 'stars' than it is possible to list over the past 20 odd years (bp).

McCabe.
He might not have had the billions that fans would wish for but he had the vision for the club.

 

[blade too long]

went to a wedding 2 years ago do at Aston Villas the holte suite under the holte end , lovely facility under the stand



and there are the bars

WEVE GOT THESE
lovely on a rainy day

 

[Sean Thornton]

went to a wedding 2 years ago do at Aston Villas the holte suite under the holte end , lovely facility under the stand
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and there are the bars
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WEVE GOT THESE
lovely on a rainy day
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Definitely comparable.

 

[SwissBlade]

Yet how did the academy get to the state it is, providing more 'stars' than it is possible to list over the past 20 odd years (bp).

McCabe.
He might not have had the billions that fans would wish for but he had the vision for the club.

The key with McCabes model was that he sold young talent as soon as an offer came in meaning that yes we got money in the coffers and sell on clauses but the team didn’t progress on the pitch unless we had a very astute manager in place to squeeze the most out of the squad. More often than not, this was not the case. Despite long runs for Warnock and wilder coming in when things were at their lowest, most of the time the onfield side of things was not progressive

With the prince he’s been reluctant to sell when there are possibilities to progress. This gamble could’ve back fired if we didn’t go up, but it has paid off now because we did.

The prince has also seen the value in the academy and talent continues to come through

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Those days went with McGrab.
Regarding ground redevelopment you're basically saying it dosen't matter what league that spend consigns us to. We'll have a pretty, comfy stadium. Great. All 15k fans will love it.
People will stand on a dung heap to watch a good, winning team. They couldn't care less whether the bogs flush or not.
Spend on ground updates comes way after consolidation in the top flight. Anyone putting it above that is frankly a bit dim.

So at what point do we ever improve the ground? Doesn’t seem to matter what division we are in, Premier League spend money on staying there, lower league spend money on getting promotion.

The perfect time is never going to arrive. But it needs to be done at some point otherwise we end up with a ground hopelessly not fit for purpose and we will face no choice but to update or face partial closures like across the city.

I would suggest the perfect time to redevelop is either when we’re on the verge of the Premier League (as in the Westfield corner) or when we’re actually there. How many years of consolidating in the Premier League does it take?

2, 3, 5, 10?

It’s thinking development can be put off forever that is a bit dim.

 

[Nightsweats]

So at what point do we ever improve the ground? Doesn’t seem to matter what division we are in, Premier League spend money on staying there, lower league spend money on getting promotion.

The perfect time is never going to arrive. But it needs to be done at some point otherwise we end up with a ground hopelessly not fit for purpose and we will face no choice but to update or face partial closures like across the city.

I would suggest the perfect time to redevelop is either when we’re on the verge of the Premier League (as in the Westfield corner) or when we’re actually there. Ho many years of conflict consolidating in the Premier League does it take?

2, 3, 5, 10?

It’s not thinking development can be put off forever that is a bit dim.

I take it your cheque covering this is in the post to the club.
I suspect if you asked any number of Blades whether they would choose to spend £20m (our player budget as far as has been made public) on players giving us the best chance of retaining Prem status and another year of big income, or spunk it on a bar under the kop which would generate an extra tenner or so after we,ve paid Compass or whichever bunch of cowboys run our catering I reckon you'd be in a minority of 2. You and BTL.
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. We are in a position where things are either or. If we can saty up for the next 2/3 seasons then without doubt there will be cash spare for stadium upgrades. Until then personally I want every shiny penny invested on the playing side.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Nobody wants to put it off forever, but as long as the club has little or no money to spend on the team, there's no point spending a lot on the stadium now. Better to do it properly whenever there is decent funding that it, than some cheap bodge job now that either bankrupts the club or doesn't massively improve things (possibly both).

 

[Sean Thornton]

McCabe had the right idea when he posted the plans for the upgrade. Unless Scarborough was to finance it it was never going to happen. Sadly we’ve never been in a position to do anything but the bare minimum -ie PL requirements since.

Interesting that McCabe is - rightly -now getting credit for the initial development of the academy. However l do wonder how many of those using Kevin as a positive against The Princes actions were the ones screaming some time ago that it was never down to McCabe but solely Colin’s baby? (Forgetting he handed it over to Ron Reid, the man who actually upped the anti). There will be some hypocritical crossover there.

In short, there’s never been the funds for substantial development so let’s not the anti Arabist lot stop pretending the Prince has been remiss over this.

 

[blade too long]

Those days went with McGrab.
Regarding ground redevelopment you're basically saying it dosen't matter what league that spend consigns us to. We'll have a pretty, comfy stadium. Great. All 15k fans will love it.
People will stand on a dung heap to watch a good, winning team. They couldn't care less whether the bogs flush or not.
Spend on ground updates comes way after consolidation in the top flight. Anyone putting it above that is frankly a bit dim.

It's shouldn't be an either or question.
Tell me a recent champions league spot winner in an old 30k ground.

 

[noire]

I still find it interesting that people are still obsessing over a stand that was built nearly 50 years ago being the cause of all our woes.

 

[Nightsweats]

It's shouldn't be an either or question.
Tell me a recent champions league spot winner in an old 30k ground.

Not being rude but are you drunk? I'll bet you the deeds to my house we don't qualify for the CL over the next 50 years so your point is completely irrelevant and your belief that spending what little we have on the ground thus ensuring relegation and a lengthy stay in the lower leagues is borderline insanity.

 

[nopigfansintown]

There's an obvious positive correlation between quality of ground/infrastructure, the resulting turnover increase and league position. It's axiomatic and can be viewed throughout the top two divisions. You have the odd outlier but they rarely last. The problem as always is having an ownership with the vision and money to solve this quandary.

 

[blade too long]

Not being rude but are you drunk? I'll bet you the deeds to my house we don't qualify for the CL over the next 50 years so your point is completely irrelevant and your belief that spending what little we have on the ground thus ensuring relegation and a lengthy stay in the lower leagues is borderline insanity.

Won't do if we don't modernise ...that's the point Leicester did it recently and were level with us 13 year ago. It's our we are alright being also rans attitude that's always held us back

Ambition shouldn't be a dirty word

 

[S64 Blade]

I still find it interesting that people are still obsessing over a stand that was built nearly 50 years ago being the cause of all our woes.

Actually, it was the South Stand that missed the penalty against Walsall in 1981. Not Don Givens.

 

[Sean Thornton]

different money streams , money used to improve spectator comfort and safety doesnt count towards FFP
all clubs need to move forward or end up with rusty edifices with large areas of seating condemned . like wednesday

If you haven’t got the money relevant or not for FFP/P&S purposes it’s a pipe dream, not a club beating issue.

 

[Nightsweats]

Won't do if we don't modernise ...that's the point Leicester did it recently and were level with us 13 year ago. It's our we are alright being also rans attitude that's always held us back

Ambition shouldn't be a dirty word

League position is determined by points gained not what catering is on offer.
I'm leaving this with you now because I find your arguement ridiculous in the extreme in our current financial position and personally as I haven't bought anything to eat or drink at the Lane for north of 30 years I only care about the fare on the pitch.
All yours.