Blackwell

[SwissBlade]

Thankfully Coventry haven't got the likes of James Beattie, Gregg Halford, Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Gary Naysmith etc.

He doesn't have to have them... It's league 1 and not a good one at that

You're convienently forgetting that during that period he had a £15-20 million wage bill nearly 3 times more than most of the teams in the division.
Blackwell fucked up big time, and is just as culpable for wasting our money and our current situation as Robson.

Perhaps, but his record shows he got results and got us to 8th (from almost relegation zone) and 3rd...

** lights touch paper and stands back**

 

[JohnDenver]

Perhaps, but his record shows he got results and got us to 8th (from almost relegation zone) and 3rd...

** lights touch paper and stands back**

The margins are so narrow. We were within a gnat's of promotion under Blackwell. If we'd done it, so many things would be judged differently now... But lordy it was painful to behold.

As long as the results were good, I was willing to forgive him his dirge football, especially given what Robbo had done previously. But as soon as we lost the playoffs we should have done the sort cost cutting we're doing now, and started to look beyond one season at a time. Blackwell clearly wasn't the man for that.

 

[judge]

The only man who's ever managed to make me seriously consider not going to the Lane. Worst football in my 20 odd years, and that includes the Adrian Heath & Micky Adams debacles.

Thing is, when he first came in we were decent to watch then it went drastically downhill.

I thought the football under robson was much worse

 

[sitwell]

Blackwell was a motivator and I always thought it was odd timing to sack him.

That said he was never going to be the long term solution and he steadied a ship. Problem was it was difficult to then change direction (which I think Speed tried to start doing) and we've headed downwards ever since.

We've eventually ended up (by luck or good judgement) with a manager who has the right ideas, we just need to allow him time to bring us back. Last season was our best chance, so now its perhaps time for graft and some football... time will tell if it works

Trouble is, Blackwell could well be the man to upset our plans, because he might just manage to get the Coventry team motivated like he did with our players after Robson

'Blackwell was a motivator ' ??? ask any players who played for him ,Blackwell was a useless motivator a bully ,a council Warnock ,disliked almost universally by every player at the club. One player who I know very well blames him almost entirely for stalling his career for 5 years ,he got his career back on course again after and is still playing.
Kyle Naughton loved Sheff Utd but had spurs offered to loan him back to us he wouldnt have come because of Blackwell and his treatment of certain players.

 

[Worksop_Blade]

After being doubled by the pigs for the first time in nearly a century with a shite home display he comes out with:

"what do you want me to say Seth?"

You could start with sorry you fat balding tosser, I hope he fails at Cov and ends up in the depths of non league.

Despise that man.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

So I've just spent the thick end of £200 to go to Wembley with my lad for the Burnley Play-off Final - a side that had twice played us off the park that season when we played hoofball against them. After playing Preston off the park playing good football in the Semi-Final, I thought we might have a chance this time.

After 10 seconds, the ball comes back to Paddy, and the best pair of full-backs in the league set off for the halfway line whilst watching the ball being launched as a freebie to the best pair of centre backs in the league.

We should have set off back to Stanmore at that moment.

 

[SwissBlade]

'Blackwell was a motivator ' ??? ask any players who played for him ,Blackwell was a useless motivator a bully ,a council Warnock ,disliked almost universally by every player at the club. One player who I know very well blames him almost entirely for stalling his career for 5 years ,he got his career back on course again after and is still playing.
Kyle Naughton loved Sheff Utd but had spurs offered to loan him back to us he wouldnt have come because of Blackwell and his treatment of certain players.

He managed to motivate the players to get the results though - so all the rest is hearsay, speculation and subjective opinion.

He doesn't have to be liked to get the results, so despite opinions of him as a person he still got results.

 

[sheffielder]

He managed to motivate the players to get the results though - so all the rest is hearsay, speculation and subjective opinion.

He doesn't have to be liked to get the results, so despite opinions of him as a person he still got results.

Sorry, have to disagree with you here. He succeeded at first because of the players he had. When he brought in his own players was when things started to go tits up. France, Evans, Cresswell for starters; people who say he didn't have any money need to think again. Still rattles me that he had Naughton and Walker on the books when he spent 20k per week on France, Halford and Sun Jai.

Worst was Cotterill (originally brought in by Robson). Blackwell said to cotterill for last 6 months of that 1st season ' I don't want to see you facing our goal' to the next season when all he did was face his own goal. Blackwell's go for it was quickly followed by shit negative football.

Blackwell is every bit as guilty as to where we are now. 3 year contract for Cresswell anyone?

 

[Paulus]

He was (is) a clueless, brainless, talentless, shit-spouting disaster of a football manager. This was the guy who signed Leon Britton but then say he didn't fit in with the way the team played, says it all really. Any suggestion of him being a motivator is rubbish, I would go along with the suggestion that he was a small minded bully though, perhaps some people can't distinguish between the two.

 

[Pinchy]

After being doubled by the pigs for the first time in nearly a century with a shite home display he comes out with:

"what do you want me to say Seth?"

You could start with sorry you fat balding tosser, I hope he fails at Cov and ends up in the depths of non league.

Despise that man.

My finger was poised on "like" but I know lots of nice fat balding chaps. Perhaps if you were to substitute "useless gobshite"? Come on, there's a "like" in it for you.

 

[DazBlade88]

Aside from the "speculation" that he was a bully, he seriously underachieved with the players he had here.

One thing I noticed, when the REAL pressure was on he didn't know what to do. He tried to avoid defeat rather than win games when it really mattered. He was absolutely brilliant when he was caretaker because he inherited a squad capable of winning the league when we were near the bottom, he could hardly fail because we had no real chance of promotion and we were far, far too good to go down.

The season we finished 8th was due to winning 3 in the last 4 when a run of 1 win in 9 meant we couldn't make the playoffs and the pressure had completely gone. The injuries took their toll but we actually finished closer on points to the relegation zone than the top 2.

In the season we finished 3rd, we had the best squad in the division by a country mile. 3rd was not a successful season with the players we had at our disposal, we should have been in the automatic promotion places with no questions asked in my opinion.

And all this happened whilst playing some of the most boring football (away from home especially) I've ever witnessed. There's a reason the bloke hasn't had a job since despite doing so well at United (as he modestly says himself). He's a nearly man who plays awful football and can't get a team over the line when it really matters.

 

[Bladesway]

Fucking hell, he took us to within a game of the Premiership what a twat. He had the rug pulled from under him by McCabe and as that happened the results got worse as did the performances.

The season he took over after Robson he worked wonders. He is basic, his teams aren't pretty to watch but those same players who under Robson were under performing suddenly got their arses in gear. Thats a motivator in my book.

Why hasn't he got himself a job until now? Well you may ask. Didn't his contract run out with us end of June 2012? The one McCabe extended even though he didn't need to.

Blackwell was limited but thats not news. But when your best players are sold off all at once what do you expect to happen?

Oh and the same Chairman who kept him on past the end of the season when he should have sacked him then let him buy players and sacked him a couple of games into a new season. One of those games we drew away at Cardiff with 10 men.

Sun Ji Hi (or whatever) was a McCabe signing under Warnock by the way. But even I wouldn't blame Warnock for that one. Kev wanted to capture the Chinese market.

 

[SwissBlade]

Sorry, have to disagree with you here. He succeeded at first because of the players he had. When he brought in his own players was when things started to go tits up. France, Evans, Cresswell for starters; people who say he didn't have any money need to think again. Still rattles me that he had Naughton and Walker on the books when he spent 20k per week on France, Halford and Sun Jai.

Worst was Cotterill (originally brought in by Robson). Blackwell said to cotterill for last 6 months of that 1st season ' I don't want to see you facing our goal' to the next season when all he did was face his own goal. Blackwell's go for it was quickly followed by shit negative football.

Blackwell is every bit as guilty as to where we are now. 3 year contract for Cresswell anyone?

Some players did well for him others didn't.
Some players he signed some he didn't.

Yet he somehow managed to demotivate them, piss them all off, sign crap replacements, sign players that got injured and never played any real first team action (but he still gets shite for) and we managed to finish in the play offs and top ten....

Crikey if he could work on his people skills and get someone else to sign players for him, he'd win the Champions league the world cup and the olympics within a week.

 

[blade too long]

Seems like a reasonable question to me.

winning football has turned wednesdy fans back into the gloating arrogant shits we all remember
do you think they care that the aesthetic sides not there

if they string 2 passes together in a game they claim to be the new barca
we expect way too much from average players

Id take a championship play off season watching occasional flair over looking good in div one any day
a reasonable trade off , wouldnt you say

Blackwell started his last season with a sparkling display over watford and a tremendously entertaining game with west brom , then we got a catalogue of injuries, this myth he wanted to play dull shit all the time doesnt wash, given a fully fit squad hed play as much pretty pretty football as the next team lets not forget his last wins included terrific win at Reading, just before a 3-0 romp at ipswich as players returned

Fans get spoilt , Villa fans forced out ONIELL for only finishing top 6, they are currently favourites to go down now,again be careful what you wish for sometimes

 

[blade too long]

The season we finished 8th The injuries took their toll but we actually finished closer on points to the relegation zone than the top 2.

ridiculous quote

the teams that finish 8th in the prem are always closer in points to the bottom3 than the top 2
http://www.sufc.co.uk/fixtures-results/league-table/#

the club that finished 6th Blackpool were closer in points to the bottom 3 than the top 2 , but they got promoted

the only fact that matters is the team that finishes 8th has gained more points than 16 other clubs in the championship

Messi never won a world cup winners medal so by your negative aspect of looking at stuff hes obviously shit

 

[Bladesman]

winning football has turned wednesdy fans back into the gloating arrogant shits we all remember
do you think they care that the aesthetic sides not there

if they string 2 passes together in a game they claim to be the new barca
we expect way too much from average players

Id take a championship play off season watching occasional flair over looking good in div one any day
a reasonable trade off , wouldnt you say

Blackwell started his last season with a sparkling display over watford and a tremendously entertaining game with west brom , then we got a catalogue of injuries, this myth he wanted to play dull shit all the time doesnt wash, given a fully fit squad hed play as much pretty pretty football as the next team lets not forget his last wins included terrific win at Reading, just before a 3-0 romp at ipswich as players returned

Fans get spoilt , Villa fans forced out ONIELL for only finishing top 6, they are currently favourites to go down now,again be careful what you wish for sometimes

It might be a case of of be careful what you wish for.

Although I was saying even when Blackwell was in charge that at times we looked like a team that could end up in League 1. He did piss off key members of the squad and freeze them out of the team e.g. David Cotterill.

We did have one of the best squads in the League and he still didn't achieve promotion. Had he stayed with us we would of probably just hung on but we would still be a team plodding around in the championship for another decade with him at the helm. He would of still lost the better players had we stayed up because we were reducing the wage bill and he was freezing players he didn't like anyway.

McCabe probably is still paying him and more fool him.

 

[Ted Danson]

Isnt Blackwell statistically the best manager we've ever had though? or if not hes very close.

Yes the football was painfull to watch but better than Robsons. I wouldnt hold him solely responsable for the unrest in the team either and for big contracts he gave to Cressy etc as they would of all known what the likes of Hendri and Beattie were on and would of been wanting something similar. I blame Robson for everything

 

[Bladesman]

Isnt Blackwell statistically the best manager we've ever had though? or if not hes very close.

Yes the football was painfull to watch but better than Robsons. I wouldnt hold him solely responsable for the unrest in the team either and for big contracts he gave to Cressy etc as they would of all known what the likes of Hendri and Beattie were on and would of been wanting something similar. I blame Robson for everything

I blame the people that built Bramall Lane on an ancient indian burial ground.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Isnt Blackwell statistically the best manager we've ever had though? or if not hes very close.

Not quite, that would currently be a certain Danny Wilson.
Wilson and Spackman both also play(ed) attractive, attacking football. Warnock did too in 2002/2003.
Kendall and Porterfield did so early on but then went more negative and boring.

Having said that, I still enjoyed watching Bassett's 100+ goals "kick and rush" 3rd Division team more than any of them.

Rank Manager P W D PTS AVG Win %
1 Wilson 62 34 16 118 1.90 55%
2 Spackman 43 20 17 77 1.79 47%
3 Kendall 82 34 27 129 1.57 41%
4 Blackwell 125 53 36 195 1.56 42%
5 Porterfield 226 98 58 352 1.56 43%
6 Warnock 388 165 100 595 1.53 43%
7 Harris 612 258 144 918 1.50 42%

 

[Pinchy]

Isnt Blackwell statistically the best manager we've ever had though? or if not hes very close.

Yes the football was painfull to watch but better than Robsons. I wouldnt hold him solely responsable for the unrest in the team either and for big contracts he gave to Cressy etc as they would of all known what the likes of Hendri and Beattie were on and would of been wanting something similar. I blame Robson for everything

WOULD OF alert! Emergency! Is there a lexicographer in the house?

 

[Grecian2000]

this myth he wanted to play dull shit all the time doesnt wash,

Washes whiter than the whitest powder ever made.

Complete twat. I must now leave this thread as the very mention of his name and what he did to us makes my blood boil.

 

[DazBlade88]

ridiculous quote

the teams that finish 8th in the prem are always closer in points to the bottom3 than the top 2
http://www.sufc.co.uk/fixtures-results/league-table/#

the club that finished 6th Blackpool were closer in points to the bottom 3 than the top 2 , but they got promoted

the only fact that matters is the team that finishes 8th has gained more points than 16 other clubs in the championship

Messi never won a world cup winners medal so by your negative aspect of looking at stuff hes obviously shit

That's not a fair comparison either though. 8th in the Premier is the equivalent to 10th in the Championship. And you have to take into consideration the sheer gulf in class between the sides in the Premier League compared to the much more level playing field in the Championship. The fact is that we were a distinctly mediocre side in the season we finished 8th, and it was unacceptable to finish so far behind when we were supposed to be targetting the top 2.

The Messi thing is neither here nor there. I don't really know what you're getting at with that. I always look for the positive side of things if I can, but with Blackwell I can't see how anybody can think he didn't underachieve as our manager once he took the job permanently.

 

[Jonboy60]

WOULD OF alert! Emergency! Is there a lexicographer in the house?

Would of, could of,should of. Just wandering were the word ' have' fits in TDs vocab' anywhere. Funny thing is as you read it, it takes a few seconds to register but sounds plausible. No offence TD, but I knew " pinchy" would of been waiting in the wings for this one.

 

[Ted Danson]

Ok I'll bite, where have you been wandering Jonboy??

 

[blade too long]

Not quite, that would currently be a certain Danny Wilson.
Wilson and Spackman both also play(ed) attractive, attacking football. Warnock did too in 2002/2003.
Kendall and Porterfield did so early on but then went more negative and boring.

Having said that, I still enjoyed watching Bassett's 100+ goals "kick and rush" 3rd Division team more than any of them.

Rank Manager P W D PTS AVG Win %
1 Wilson 62 34 16 118 1.90 55%
2 Spackman 43 20 17 77 1.79 47%
3 Kendall 82 34 27 129 1.57 41%
4 Blackwell 125 53 36 195 1.56 42%
5 Porterfield 226 98 58 352 1.56 43%
6 Warnock 388 165 100 595 1.53 43%
7 Harris 612 258 144 918 1.50 42%

one has to factor in wilsons only played against the garbage in league 1, excellently I may add
but statistically blackwell lost less games percentage wise, which has to be factored into the overall picture
spackman lost 39% of his games in charge
blackwell lost only 28.7 of his considerably more games in charge
kendall lost 32%

warnock drew too many

 

[Sothall_Blade]

one has to factor in wilsons only played against the garbage in league 1, excellently I may add
but statistically blackwell lost less games percentage wise, which has to be factored into the overall picture
spackman lost 39% of his games in charge
blackwell lost only 28.7 of his considerably more games in charge
kendall lost 32%

warnock drew too many

The way the table is being displayed is perhaps confusing but Spackman only lost 6 of his 43 games (14%).
Blackwell lost 29%, Kendall lost 26%.
Warnock drew only 26% of his.

Rank Manager Played Won Drawn Lost Points Avg Pts Win % Draw % Lose %
1 Wilson 62 34 16 12 118 1.90 55% 26% 19%
2 Spackman 43 20 17 6 77 1.79 47% 40% 14%
3 Kendall 82 34 27 21 129 1.57 41% 33% 26%
4 Blackwell 125 53 36 36 195 1.56 42% 29% 29%
5 Porterfield 226 98 58 70 352 1.56 43% 26% 31%
6 Warnock 388 165 100 123 595 1.53 43% 26% 32%
7 Harris 612 258 144 210 918 1.50 42% 24% 34%

 

[Jonboy60]

Ok I'll bite, where have you been wandering Jonboy??

Lol, nowhere TD, complete balls up with the spelling.

 

[Pinchy]

one has to factor in wilsons only played against the garbage in league 1, excellently I may add
but statistically blackwell lost less games percentage wise, which has to be factored into the overall picture
spackman lost 39% of his games in charge
blackwell lost only 28.7 of his considerably more games in charge
kendall lost 32%

warnock drew too many

Spackman didn't have any games in charge! He was Charles Green's puppet. A truly awful manager who failed to last a full season with any of his three clubs!

Lies, Damned Lies and.....Statistics.

 

[blade too long]

must have been hard working with someones arm up your arse

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

He managed to motivate the players to get the results though - so all the rest is hearsay, speculation and subjective opinion.

He doesn't have to be liked to get the results, so despite opinions of him as a person he still got results.

Not when it counted, come Wembley Blackwell was shaking like a shittin' dog (to quote a good friend of mine)