Kop needs urgent redevelopment

[blade_ben]

I've never seen an issue with McCabe's plans. It achieves what is reasonably possible

Rake/legroom will still be the same so won’t solve the standing up and then SYP and whatever safety board will still have issues with it

 

[Stand United]

We have planning approved on the existing Kop plans that still stands – it is essentially ready to be put into place whenever the owner (current or future) wants to fund it, and these already take into account the pockets of land independent of the Kop. To put those plans to one side and go for a new plan, requiring new approval, would in addition to the extra time required likely see various attempts to delay approval from the owner of the pockets of land by the Kop. Unless those lands are bought back by the club, plans that deviate from the approved Kop works might be tricky to put into effect.

 

[Booker4]

Rake/legroom will still be the same so won’t solve the standing up and then SYP and whatever safety board will still have issues with it

I don't think their beef is with the leg room or rake though but more the access in and out of the stand in the gangways although not sure how that would change even in a new stand. I would imagine though that a new kop or refurbished one may well be able to solve some of the issues currently experienced although not entirely sure how either!

 

[Mike325]

Don't agree.
Every move to a new stadium tends to have a sound business case.
Often the cost to build a new stadium represents much better value for money than renovating the old stadium.

Reasons to stay at Bramall Lane
1: Location
The location of Bramall Lane is currently an asset, easy for large crowds to arrive and dissipate.
Unlike at Hillsboro we have loads of road access so no massive bottlenecks where traffic is stuck in queues for over 1 hour.

2: Access around the stadium
Accept that there's no access for anything at Bramall Lane or John Street
however there's plenty of land behind the Kop and next to the South stand.
This means we can leave both stands open and operational whilst prep work and building work is being done.
Where as at Hillsboro they are hemmed in by houses, so don't have much of a footprint to expand on therir site.

Disadvantages of the current stadium
Many away fans often comment about BL being the best stadium in the Championship, the history and heritage makes it stand out.
However there are 2 areas of concern regards our current stadium.
1: The Kop: Looks OK from inside the stadium but if I was bringing a visitor on a rainy day I'd feel slightly embarrassed that there's a makeshift concourse with no protection against the wind and rain. It was only meant as a temporary solution and for fans is the most important stand for renovating.
2: The South stand: I'm not talking from a fans point of view, its perfectly adequate and much better than Sheff Weds North stand that is antiquated in comparison.
However the media centre, boardroom, changing rooms, executive areas are THE FACE of a club.
The fashion these days is for a club to make these areas top notch in order to impress VIP visitors.

Really believe it's important for an owner to be able to invite his guest to Bramall Lane and feel extra proud of the stadium.
The idea would be the guest would drive down the slope into the underground car park, then catch the lift which leads them directly into the palatial boardroom.

The same idea can be attached to having a posh top class media centre, posh impressive board room, posh/ impressive executive areas, huge impressive changing rooms for the players all inside the revamped expanded South stand. The idea is that these influential people all leave Bramall Lane thinking even by PL standard "that's a really impressive stadium". Sheffielders frown on anything "posh" but in the real world it's pretty important to impress.

So we don't need to move to achieve our aims. Modernising the Kop and South stand would achieve everything we wanted taking the capacity to 41K
and would be much cheaper than building a stadium from scratch. The only downside is organising building work whilst trying to prevent a reduction in capacity.

Sorry pal can you condense your posts in future your not on the board at the lane keep it short and simple.

To long to read

Thanks mate

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I don't think their beef is with the leg room or rake though but more the access in and out of the stand in the gangways although not sure how that would change even in a new stand. I would imagine though that a new kop or refurbished one may well be able to solve some of the issues currently experienced although not entirely sure how either!

It's to do with people standing at other people's seats. Some areas are 2-3 times overcapacity.
General gangway access is no problem.
Not really linked to development work

 

[bladesmanluke]

Rake/legroom will still be the same so won’t solve the standing up and then SYP and whatever safety board will still have issues with it

No rake or leg room resolution will solve standing. We have thousands of fans who wish to stand come what may

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

To answer the question, the stand needs replacing urgently due to the current situation the club finds itself in with a reduced capacity that will, in all likelihood, become permanent.

It isn’t really a matter that can be ignored any longer. There are only two options. Redevelopment or moving. I do think the latter is a more likely scenario than many people would believe. Particularly if we get new owners.

As much as it is a heretical statement to make here (and I would only say this here under the cloak of anonymity such is the scale of what I’m about to suggest) but I don’t think moving is such a bad idea long term.

I don’t want us to ever leave the Lane. But it might just make sense.

There is no-where where a new stadium could be built within the Sheffield boundaries.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

The longer we leave it to update and increase capacity the more likely it is we will move from Bramall Lane all together. There is not a lot you can do with the present site John st and the lane can't be expanded and you wouldn't be able to make the kop much higher due to planning regs. A move away might be inevitable at some point.

To where?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

No rake or leg room resolution will solve standing. We have thousands of fans who wish to stand come what may

Plus, the club, syp and safety committee aren't bothered about standing as such. They are bothered people standing 2 to a seat.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I've never seen an issue with McCabe's plans. It achieves what is reasonably possible

It‘s by far the most sensible plan, gives us 95% of what the club and fans want for a relatively low price with minimal inconvenience to fans.
In an ideal world I’d prefer 100% of what the club and fans want but if it’s double the costs then unless the new owner is so rich he doesn’t mind wasting money then i would expect him to choose the value for money option, especially as it’s close to perfect.

However there are some major considerations that have changed since those plans were drawn up.
1: Safe standing
It’s not just about installing the seats, there’s a chance capacities could be increased in a few years through safe standing, like in Germany.
However the concourse areas, stairway exits, kiosks, toilets would need to be much bigger to deal with the extra capacity.

2: Streaming services
There is talk that every single match for both the PL and Championship will be officially available to stream.
You could imagine there being season ticket streaming offers to watch matches at home or in the pub.
Makes you wonder if ALL clubs might see a drop in attendances whilst finances still stay high due to streaming and TV deals.
If this happens then a 30 to 35K stadium might be plenty.

 

[247Blade]

It‘s by far the most sensible plan, gives us 95% of what the club and fans want for a relatively low price with minimal inconvenience to fans.
In an ideal world I’d prefer 100% of what the club and fans want but if it’s double the costs then unless the new owner is so rich he doesn’t mind wasting money then i would expect him to choose the value for money option, especially as it’s close to perfect.

However there are some major considerations that have changed since those plans were drawn up.
1: Safe standing
It’s not just about installing the seats, there’s a chance capacities could be increased in a few years through safe standing, like in Germany.
However the concourse areas, stairway exits, kiosks, toilets would need to be much bigger to deal with the extra capacity.

2: Streaming services
There is talk that every single match for both the PL and Championship will be officially available to stream.
You could imagine there being season ticket streaming offers to watch matches at home or in the pub.
Makes you wonder if ALL clubs might see a drop in attendances whilst finances still stay high due to streaming and TV deals.
If this happens then a 30 to 35K stadium might be plenty.

Like your point 2 ... its probably the future?!

 

[S64 Blade]

Man City left Maine Rd long before before the City Group had taken them over

They didn’t build the ground though. It was built for the Commonwealth games. Man City only paid a small fraction of the cost.

 

[Mike325]

No rake or leg room resolution will solve standing. We have thousands of fans who wish to stand come what may

True pal the views can be testing from some places. If your in block a and we score kop end the pillars can block it out. Like when Lunny scored against Bournemouth in prem went mad but the pillar blocked the whole move

 

[Sean Thornton]

It‘s by far the most sensible plan, gives us 95% of what the club and fans want for a relatively low price with minimal inconvenience to fans.
In an ideal world I’d prefer 100% of what the club and fans want but if it’s double the costs then unless the new owner is so rich he doesn’t mind wasting money then i would expect him to choose the value for money option, especially as it’s close to perfect.

However there are some major considerations that have changed since those plans were drawn up.
1: Safe standing
It’s not just about installing the seats, there’s a chance capacities could be increased in a few years through safe standing, like in Germany.
However the concourse areas, stairway exits, kiosks, toilets would need to be much bigger to deal with the extra capacity.

2: Streaming services
There is talk that every single match for both the PL and Championship will be officially available to stream.
You could imagine there being season ticket streaming offers to watch matches at home or in the pub.
Makes you wonder if ALL clubs might see a drop in attendances whilst finances still stay high due to streaming and TV deals.
If this happens then a 30 to 35K stadium might be plenty.

What’s a relatively low price, what’s the figure based on and where’s the money coming from without mega rich owners?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

What’s a relatively low price, what’s the figure based on and where’s the money coming from without mega rich owners?

Easy, everybody who thinks it's urgent just chips in an equal amount. 20 million divvied up between a thousand people must only be 10 or 20 quid each?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Easy, everybody who thinks it's urgent just chips in an equal amount. 20 million divvied up between a thousand people must only be 10 or 20 quid each?

For yours the actual question hasn’t even been decided on yet people have an answer.

 

[Mike325]

There is no-where where a new stadium could be built within the Sheffield boundaries.

Current stadium just needs improving don’t need a new ground

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

For yours the actual question hasn’t even been decided on yet people have an answer.

No, it's more important to decide on how somebody should spend vast sums of money and suspend people watching for a season in or two. No need to get hung up on trivialities of if / what problem there are.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

As they said in the film…”I think we need a bigger boat”

 

[UTB]

No bigger blade than me Seth.

 

[DifferentClass]

Having bogs that don't look like they come from the fucking Tudor (Henry VIII, not John) era is the number one priority. Matchday atmos is not enhanced in any way, shape or form by having to stand in other Blades' piss and often shit while the aroma of said secretions and skunk fills the air. Surprised there hasn't been a disease breakout linked to the Kop bogs, they're fucking minging.
Everything else comes second. Yes, even the poles.

 

[A_Bladesman]

Having bogs that don't look like they come from the fucking Tudor (Henry VIII, not John) era is the number one priority. Matchday atmos is not enhanced in any way, shape or form by having to stand in other Blades' piss and often shit while the aroma of said secretions and skunk fills the air. Surprised there hasn't been a disease breakout linked to the Kop bogs, they're fucking minging.
Everything else comes second. Yes, even the poles.

The current king is Charles, it was Elizabeth before. You got to police your own - Getting all the facts and investigating properly. There could be a clamp down in the future. Be great if you would reply. Don't let be warn you about what might happen. Please.

 

[Charlieblade]

Having bogs that don't look like they come from the fucking Tudor (Henry VIII, not John) era is the number one priority. Matchday atmos is not enhanced in any way, shape or form by having to stand in other Blades' piss and often shit while the aroma of said secretions and skunk fills the air. Surprised there hasn't been a disease breakout linked to the Kop bogs, they're fucking minging.
Everything else comes second. Yes, even the poles.

I think both Tudor periods offer similar comparisons.

 

[JJBlade]

Sorting the kop now, would be like paying for a full Louie vuitton make over of a cess pit. The idiots that cause the problems want ousting first.

What happens at the Lane with people standing and being in the wrong place so that they can talk to their mates, or try to create an atmosphere with like minded people happens at every stadium.

It's just that fans of other teams don't whinge and bitch about it.

Our siddarners have moaned, whinged and bitched about a relatively miniscule problem so much that they have brought the problem to the attention of the hi vis jacket mob.

The hi vis jacket mob have then used their "Sheffield only SS tactics" to annoy fans which has created further trouble, which has brought it to the attention of the police.

This has then brought it to the attention of the safety committee

And all because a bunch of miserable siddarners couldn't keep their gobs shut and let kids be kids

Almost all the older members of my family support Wendy. The reason I became a United fan was because United had much better fans.

If I was a kid today I would probably have followed them like the rest of the older members of my family because sadly United fans have turned into a right bunch of pricks

 

[bertieblade]

No matter what you think of your fellow fans, it is not them that have reduced the capacity of the Kop and threatened closure: but the authorities, who are insisting that we adhere to the relevant ground regulations which we have to in order to maintain our health and safety certificate.

 

[JJBlade]

No matter what you think of your fellow fans, it is not them that have reduced the capacity of the Kop and threatened closure: but the authorities, who are insisting that we adhere to the relevant ground regulations which we have to in order to maintain our health and safety certificate.

The siddarners have brought it to the attention of the authorities in the first place

Four miles away that shower can bounce up and down for 90 minutes if they want, but someone going for a slash creates a constant whinge and moan from our fat lazy old twats and the authorities have finally acted.

Probably the most boring, sedate, medicated bunch of fans on the planet have got a part of their stadium shut down because of their whinging boringness

 

[bartman]

The siddarners have brought it to the attention of the authorities in the first place

Four miles away that shower can bounce up and down for 90 minutes if they want, but someone going for a slash creates a constant whinge and moan from our fat lazy old twats and the authorities have finally acted.

Probably the most boring, sedate, medicated bunch of fans on the planet have got a part of their stadium shut down because of their whinging boringness

The pigs have had part of their ground shut down and capacity reduced in other stands.

Our fans need to stop blocking gangways at the top of the Kop and the problem will be solved.

 

[Sean Thornton]

BLOCKING GANGWAYS.

BUT DONT LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF KNOCKING PART OF THE FANBASE.

#prayingforthoseoverseasnonbladefamilymemberswhosechristmasisruinedbynotbeingabletogetaticketfortoday/madeupbollocks

 

[Sean Thornton]

The siddarners have brought it to the attention of the authorities in the first place

Four miles away that shower can bounce up and down for 90 minutes if they want, but someone going for a slash creates a constant whinge and moan from our fat lazy old twats and the authorities have finally acted.

Probably the most boring, sedate, medicated bunch of fans on the planet have got a part of their stadium shut down because of their whinging boringness

“whinging boringness”

‘Int irony brilliant

 

[JJBlade]

The pigs have had part of their ground shut down and capacity reduced in other stands.

Our fans need to stop blocking gangways at the top of the Kop and the problem will be solved.

Years ago following on from the disaster

But they are not getting parts of the stadium shut down because of people standing or sitting in the wrong place or bouncing about like morons, because nobody has moaned, whinged and bitched about it.

Our fans are pathetic, the problem has gone up the chain of command, the hi vis jackets were checking tickets and pushing and shoving people about months ago, this has got higher authorities involved with the inevitable result.

But it was all started by a bunch of do gooding siddarners who could not bear the thought of a group of people having fun or going to the match for any other reason than to sit there like a cabbage for 90 minutes