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If anyone at BDTBL medical/physio analysists actually reads these threads, - and heaven forbid if anyone there knows anything about mRNA gene therapies -
May I suggest you give all your playing staff a D-dimer test.
Oh, by the way, the tests should be carried out on the "vaccinated" players only, in order to save money.
Not for a moment do I suggest that the jabs may be responsible for our horrendous and unprecedented soft tissue injuries.
Nothing whatsoever to do with micro clots induced by the jab....
Poor old NRD.
 
Servigliano said:
If anyone at BDTBL medical/physio analysists actually reads these threads, - and heaven forbid if anyone there knows anything about mRNA gene therapies -
May I suggest you give all your playing staff a D-dimer test.
Oh, by the way, the tests should be carried out on the "vaccinated" players only, in order to save money.
Not for a moment do I suggest that the jabs may be responsible for our horrendous and unprecedented soft tissue injuries.
Nothing whatsoever to do with micro clots induced by the jab....
Poor old NRD.
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D Dimer is only really sensitive for an acute blood clot so not really of much used randomly in asymptomatic people.
Nice article in BMJ Heart today about the significant increase in cardiac complications post Covid. Would you like the link?
 
Oldun said:
D Dimer is only really sensitive for an acute blood clot so not really of much used randomly in asymptomatic people.
Nice article in BMJ Heart today about the significant increase in cardiac complications post Covid. Would you like the link?
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Re the link is it possible to send to me? thanks in advance
 
Oldun said:
D Dimer is only really sensitive for an acute blood clot so not really of much used randomly in asymptomatic people.
Nice article in BMJ Heart today about the significant increase in cardiac complications post Covid. Would you like the link?
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Thanks for the information re D-dimer (my expertise, such as it is, relates more to immunology).
My concern relates to blood clots, particularly micro clots/myocarditis which can apparently be induced by both covid infection and the mRNA vaccines. Immunohistochemistry can distinguish natural infection from the gene based spike. There are recent papers placing more blame on the latter.
Given the fact that United, and others are suffering unprecedented numbers of injuries - (unfortunately, I've been a fan since the mid 60's) I sought to think of possible explanations.

It would be interesting to know the injury rates for vaxxed v. unvaxxed players - but there's no chance of that being done and made public.
That said, I think I'd better shut up - I can see me being banned for going off topic (I'm not) but more particularly for committing the heinous heresy of being considered an antivaxxer.
 
Servigliano said:
Thanks for the information re D-dimer (my expertise, such as it is, relates more to immunology).
My concern relates to blood clots, particularly micro clots/myocarditis which can apparently be induced by both covid infection and the mRNA vaccines. Immunohistochemistry can distinguish natural infection from the gene based spike. There are recent papers placing more blame on the latter.
Given the fact that United, and others are suffering unprecedented numbers of injuries - (unfortunately, I've been a fan since the mid 60's) I sought to think of possible explanations.

It would be interesting to know the injury rates for vaxxed v. unvaxxed players - but there's no chance of that being done and made public.
That said, I think I'd better shut up - I can see me being banned for going off topic (I'm not) but more particularly for committing the heinous heresy of being considered an antivaxxer.
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All true. But the evidence currently shows that the risk of clots from vaccination is tiny, whereas the risk of clots and other cardiovascular problems from covid infection (even in mild and asymptomatic cases) is significantly higher. Nobody has ever said that vaccination is risk free but it is much less risky than not being vaccinated. It would be interesting to know the injury rates between players who have had covid and those that haven’t
 
Servigliano said:
Thanks for the information re D-dimer (my expertise, such as it is, relates more to immunology).
My concern relates to blood clots, particularly micro clots/myocarditis which can apparently be induced by both covid infection and the mRNA vaccines. Immunohistochemistry can distinguish natural infection from the gene based spike. There are recent papers placing more blame on the latter.
Given the fact that United, and others are suffering unprecedented numbers of injuries - (unfortunately, I've been a fan since the mid 60's) I sought to think of possible explanations.

It would be interesting to know the injury rates for vaxxed v. unvaxxed players - but there's no chance of that being done and made public.
That said, I think I'd better shut up - I can see me being banned for going off topic (I'm not) but more particularly for committing the heinous heresy of being considered an antivaxxer.
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I'd be interested in seeing your statistics on "...others are suffering unprecedented numbers of injuries".
 

N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
The list is getting shorter.. just the 7 injured.

O'Connell
Bogle
RND
Lowe
Coulibaly
Berge
Jebbison
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A few on that list expected to be back in January. RND and Bogle are the two we may not see again this season.

Annoyingly no one else to comeback pre world cup now other than Clark and Stevens.
 
N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
The list is getting shorter.. just the 7 injured.

O'Connell - knee ligaments - poss patella tendon(?); training
Bogle - ACL recovery complications; match/surgery
RND - hamstring; match
Lowe - hamstring; match
Coulibaly - knee ligaments; training
Berge - ankle ligaments; match
Jebbison - ankle ligaments; training
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Down to two soft tissue injuries too. The other 5 are all joint/ligament issues. You could argue that McBurnie (hernia) should be on the list too.

Bladesman said:
A few on that list expected to be back in January. RND and Bogle are the two we may not see again this season.

Annoyingly no one else to comeback pre world cup now other than Clark and Stevens.
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Bogle possibly out for the season?! Really? And RND out for 7 months with a hamstring?
 
LJBlade said:
I'd be interested in seeing your statistics on "...others are suffering unprecedented numbers of injuries".
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Anecdotal in the sense that other fans seem to complain of long injury lists when we play them.
Stats, EPL for 21/22 was 938 and for 22/23 up to 1231.
 
Balham Blade said:
Down to two soft tissue injuries too. The other 5 are all joint/ligament issues. You could argue that McBurnie (hernia) should be on the list too.



Bogle possibly out for the season?! Really? And RND out for 7 months with a hamstring?
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Well it doesn't sound like RND is a standard hammy injury and Bogle was out for ages last time.

Maybe I have been reading too many of CaptainMorgans injury predictions. 😄
 
Updated guesses following the latest media round ahead of our trip to West Brom.

Will start with the bad news, as it has now been fully confirmed that Norrington-Davies is going to be out for "months," which means his hamstring will likely require surgery. I've no idea whether that means he is going to be on the Max Lowe end of the scale (3/4 months) or the Sander Berge end of the scale (was it about 7/8 months?) but either way, not good.
I really feel for the lad. As with Bogle last season, a young player starting to show real Premier League potential, consistently performing at 8/10 levels and then getting a really nasty injury to cripple the momentum. Such a shame. Even more so for RND with the World Cup on the horizon.

It has also has been confirmed that Daniel Jebbison has done damage to his ankle ligaments and will be out for a similar timeframe to what Ben Osborn was (3/4 months). Sadly, this probably rules him out of a January loan and means he will have lost a full-year of game development.

Moving onto the good news, Clark & Stevens have now finally returned to full training. I don't expect them to be involved this weekend but hopefully we see them on the bench / getting some minutes this side of the World Cup. Clark, in particular, would be a very welcome addition to our back line given the recent problems we've had defensively...
I also expect Jack Robinson may now be ready to step into our team following a week or two on the bench. He started for the 23s recently and played about an hour.
He was really solid at the back end of last season and if we can get that version of JR back then Basham's days in the XI should hopefully (but sadly) be numbered.

In very unexpected good news, it sounds and looks like Jack O'Connell may be nearing a return.
It won't be with us, nor at this level, but a loan deal further down the pyramid may be on the cards. He was, for me, our best player during the Wilder era and the only one who genuinely could have played at the very top of the game. I really hope he makes a successful return and finds happiness in doing so.

Norwood & Ahmedhodzic remain on 4 yellow cards and one more away from a 1 game suspension.
Wes Foderingham has one game left to serve of his 3 game ban.

W Foderingham - November - suspended for 3 games

C Clark - November 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

E Stevens - November 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

J O'Connell - January 2023 (2.5 years) - knee injury

S Berge - January 2023 (3 months) - ankle ligament

J Bogle - January 2023 (3 months) - knee operation

M Lowe - January 2023 (4 months) - hamstring

D Jebbison - February 2023 (4 months) - ligaments (?)

I Coulibaly - January 2023 (5 months) - knee ligaments

R Norrington-Davies - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring
 
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