National anthem?

[Katzenjammer]

You berate this chap for generalising the feelings of a nation, but then claim that Her Maj was 'internationally revered' which looks like a generalisation to me.

I'm sure she was revered in many countries by many people, but many couldn't give a flying fuck including 4 members of my unroyal household.

Don't get me wrong, RIP, genuinely, but the whole rancid lot wants tearing down.

How do you propose it "gets torn down"?

 

[Welshblade]

Sorry was very much trying to explain why Swansea would not play the national anthem from a Welsh viewpoint and those were all the reason why that I could think of from my upbringing. Think it was very justified not to play it.

 

[Paisley Blade]

How do you propose it "gets torn down"?

By the consent of the people, which won't happen. It's an aspiration rather than an expectation.

 

[Isar]

Unless I’m missing something you seem to be arguing with yourself here?

Self debating is very satisfying.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

How do you propose it "gets torn down"?

Step by Step. Let's start with...
Removing all constitutional responsibilities from the monarchy, make it purely ceremonial, pageantry, please the tourists stuff.
Reduce the symbolism, get them off the stamps & pound coins.
Get all the land & buildings into public ownership. Let them live in them rent free if it helps.
Cut the funding to a threadbare level. The deal is they dig deep into their own inherited, personal wealth. Once that's spent, we'll sit down and work with them from there.

I'm a proud republican. I don't want them dead, I don't want the palaces blown up. I just don't want them involved in decision making. I don't want the pointless theatre of them inviting an elected member of parliament to form a government (for eg).

Let them prance around on horses & wear daft hats if they still want all that shit. I'm more neutralise the monarchy than abolish it.

Oh. And I am aware none of that is going to happen.

 

[1888to1889]

The trouble with the Scotch and Welsh is they only want to be part of the UK when it suits them. I'd be happy enough if they both fucked off then England wouldn't have to subsidise the twats. A bit of independence would do them good they'd soon come running back for their free prescriptions and other benefits. There is a reason there are less people living in Scotland or Wales than Yorkshire any of them that want to make owt of their sad lives move to England.

Scotch is a drink, Scots on the other hand are people from Scotland

 

[shorehamview]

Clearly that idiot Farage has never heard of teams with small European pedigrees like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Ac Milan, Ajax, and the like. Still, it’s another opportunity for him to show his ignorance of just about everything.

 

[Chingo]

My view of the Welsh is that they don’t like anyone!
Once stayed in a b&b above a pub in Blackwood near Cardiff and I was first down after a change and shower into the bar and everyone was talking in English, the rest of our party came down and when it became obvious we wasn’t local like flicking a switch they started talking in Welsh and the atmosphere wasn’t great at all.

It’s them that’s the problem , they don’t want to mix or know anyone else!

 

[Blade.com]

Step by Step. Let's start with...
Removing all constitutional responsibilities from the monarchy, make it purely ceremonial, pageantry, please the tourists stuff.
Reduce the symbolism, get them off the stamps & pound coins.
Get all the land & buildings into public ownership. Let them live in them rent free if it helps.
Cut the funding to a threadbare level. The deal is they dig deep into their own inherited, personal wealth. Once that's spent, we'll sit down and work with them from there.

I'm a proud republican. I don't want them dead, I don't want the palaces blown up. I just don't want them involved in decision making. I don't want the pointless theatre of them inviting an elected member of parliament to form a government (for eg).

Let them prance around on horses & wear daft hats if they still want all that shit. I'm more neutralise the monarchy than abolish it.

Oh. And I am aware none of that is going to happen.

Well dismantled Phil, but what do we replace it with or who? . We tried been a Republic, last barely 10 years before it collapsed in huge debt . One reason and don't think you would have liked it, restricted beer drinking. Cheers.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Well dismantled Phil, but what do we replace it with or who? . We tried been a Republic, last barely 10 years before it collapsed in huge debt . One reason and don't think you would have liked it, restricted beer drinking. Cheers.

I'm a little embarrassed to say - I've never really thought about it. Do we need anything other than a single elected parliament? The Prime Minister? Is that all we need? Interested to know why countries need another person to be Head of State.

 

[Big Hitter]

Just been to Wales for a week. Found them all lovely, friendly people. Some nutters in every form of life.....

 

[bertieblade]

Do the Royal family actually make my decisions which effect the running of the country?
Surely they just sign off on things which have previously been decided by parliament

 

[Katzenjammer]

Do the Royal family actually make my decisions which effect the running of the country?
Surely they just sign off on things which have previously been decided by parliament

The Monarch can still technically sack the Prime Minister, although this hasn't been done since 1834.

Although it did happen in Australia in 1975 when the Queen's governor-general dismissed Prime Minister Gough Whitlam.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

My view of the Welsh is that they don’t like anyone!
Once stayed in a b&b above a pub in Blackwood near Cardiff and I was first down after a change and shower into the bar and everyone was talking in English, the rest of our party came down and when it became obvious we wasn’t local like flicking a switch they started talking in Welsh and the atmosphere wasn’t great at all.

It’s them that’s the problem , they don’t want to mix or know anyone else!

To be fair, if I had the chance to completely change languages just to piss off a random stranger that I don't know, I'd 100% be doing exactly that.

 

[Welshblade]

I think everyone that speaks more than one language does that, but its more to save face than to be rude.

I am English first language but learnt Welsh in school. My friends all speak English to me knowing my parents are from Sheffield but Welsh to each other or to the group and I just reply in English.

But if someone walked into a pub and looked lost and they were English, I would speak to my friends in Welsh first and ask do you think they look lost before approaching them. I feel like its less intimidating, nothing worse walking into a pub and hearing and knowing people are talking about you.

 

[Chingo]

I think everyone that speaks more than one language does that, but its more to save face than to be rude.

I am English first language but learnt Welsh in school. My friends all speak English to me knowing my parents are from Sheffield but Welsh to each other or to the group and I just reply in English.

But if someone walked into a pub and looked lost and they were English, I would speak to my friends in Welsh first and ask do you think they look lost before approaching them. I feel like its less intimidating, nothing worse walking into a pub and hearing and knowing people are talking about you.

No they were speaking English until it became obvious or word got round that we were from over the border.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Just had a word with the palace, they don't want you dead either. Oh and they're ok with the old hat thing too.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

You berate this chap for generalising the feelings of a nation, but then claim that Her Maj was 'internationally revered' which looks like a generalisation to me.

I'm sure she was revered in many countries by many people, but many couldn't give a flying fuck including 4 members of my unroyal household.

Don't get me wrong, RIP, genuinely, but the whole rancid lot wants tearing down.

A “few” Scots didn’t agree.

 

[Paisley Blade]

Lovely pictures GBS, but my point stands.

 

[pommpey]

Don't get me wrong, RIP, genuinely, but the whole rancid lot wants tearing down.

And replaced with what, exactly?

pommpey

 

[Katzenjammer]

And replaced with what, exactly?

pommpey

Some dullard in a suit every 4 or 5 years because that's really progressive and forward thinking.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

And replaced with what, exactly?

pommpey

You don't need to replace anything. The simple history of monarchy is they have & will continue to have less power. They literally used to reign, what they said went. That's absurd to the modern monarchy. Just let them drift into a self funded tourist attraction.

 

[Chingo]

Don't get me wrong, RIP, genuinely, but the whole rancid lot wants tearing down.

It really doesn’t , over two thirds of the country disagree with you so it won’t be happening anytime soon!

 

[raul]

My view of the Welsh is that they don’t like anyone!
Once stayed in a b&b above a pub in Blackwood near Cardiff and I was first down after a change and shower into the bar and everyone was talking in English, the rest of our party came down and when it became obvious we wasn’t local like flicking a switch they started talking in Welsh and the atmosphere wasn’t great at all.

It’s them that’s the problem , they don’t want to mix or know anyone else!

To be fair we all started speaking Welsh as soon as you crossed the threshold of the Nelly back in the day too.....

 

[Chingo]

You don't need to replace anything. The simple history of monarchy is they have & will continue to have less power. They literally used to reign, what they said went. That's absurd to the modern monarchy. Just let them drift into a self funded tourist attraction.

Or why don’t we just leave it as it is which the vast majority seem to agree with ?

 

[Chingo]

To be fair we all started speaking Welsh as soon as you crossed the threshold of the Nelly back in the day too.....

Gay

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Lovely pictures GBS, but my point stands.

Understood mate, no problem.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Or why don’t we just leave it as it is which the vast majority seem to agree with ?

Surely you don't agree with absolutely everything that the majority seem to agree with. More people support Manchester United than Sheffield United. We're allowed to disagree with the majority, that's the deal.

 

[pommpey]

Some dullard in a suit every 4 or 5 years because that's really progressive and forward thinking.

Or some fucking celebrity, voted in by a populist-loving mass.

"Louis Tomlinson isn't MY President! I voted for Jesy Nelson. Girl Power!'

I'm not fucking joking here. If we start dicking about with being a republic, and voting in Presidents. you'll have every fucking host of slaves to corporate dollars and incompetents gracing our political spectrum.

We have a constitutional monarchy. The government and its actions are nominally appointed by the head of state (because functionally and democratically, someone has to press the tit to make it happen) and thankfully the levers and knobs of power are not actually in the hands of those who wear family crowns for centuries. Their existence stands for continuity of identity, not rule of law or act of parliament.

Seems to me many are anti-Royalist much the same as many were pro-Brexit. When you drilled down into pro-Brexit sentiments past explaining exactly why there was any reason to leave, no answer came but 'immigrants'. Same for anti-Royalists, for whom drilling down on their rationale unearths some pretty stupid classist, inverted snobbery.

When you say to Brexiters 'how much does being in the EU actually put you out of pocket'? they have no answer. When you say to anti-Royalists 'how much do they personally cost you'? they also have no answer. Its all 'gut feeling' and no sensibility.

pommpey

 

[Katzenjammer]

Or some fucking celebrity, voted in by a populist-loving mass.

"Louis Tomlinson isn't MY President! I voted for Jesy Nelson. Girl Power!'

I'm not fucking joking here. If we start dicking about with being a republic, and voting in Presidents. you'll have every fucking host of slaves to corporate dollars and incompetents gracing our political spectrum.

We have a constitutional monarchy. The government and its actions are nominally appointed by the head of state (because functionally and democratically, someone has to press the tit to make it happen) and thankfully the levers and knobs of power are not actually in the hands of those who wear family crowns for centuries. Their existence stands for continuity of identity, not rule of law or act of parliament.

Seems to me many are anti-Royalist much the same as many were pro-Brexit. When you drilled down into pro-Brexit sentiments past explaining exactly why there was any reason to leave, no answer came but 'immigrants'. Same for anti-Royalists, for whom drilling down on their rationale unearths some pretty stupid classist, inverted snobbery.

When you say to Brexiters 'how much does being in the EU actually put you out of pocket'? they have no answer. When you say to anti-Royalists 'how much do they personally cost you'? they also have no answer. Its all 'gut feeling' and no sensibility.

pommpey

Very true.

Republicans also can't seem to grasp that the importance of Monarchy lies not in the exercise of power, but in the limitation it places on absolute power from any partisan faction.

Just as the American system of checks and balances divides powers between the House, Senate, Executive and Judiciary, Constitutional Monarchy safeguards against totalitarian twattishness.