A wonderfull day

[sheffielder]

but how is doyle getting a shirt?

I would be amazed if anyone actually said one of the following comments today.

Nice pass Doyle
Nice Challenge
Well covered
Get in there

Please give McAllister a run.

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Trust Foxy to send for the cavalry!

As we've found over the years LSF we agree on most things but the average takes a knock when we get to Monty, doesn't it?

Let me make it clear, I'm no fan of Mrs. Doyle but. I genuinely think he played better than Monty today. No big deal that, of course, and akin to debating who should be voted off X-Factor!

Far be it from me (once his fiercest critic) but I thought that Quinn, along with Willo, Ched and Matt Lowton, was involved in anything creative we did today.

Anyway, we kept a clean sheet and won. There's a long way to go and all to play for. We need a good January. If we're clever, brave and lucky we could well go close by the end of the season.

If you believe Doyle is a better player than Montgomery then I think you will lose all credibility you might have.

 

[pommpey]

I've watched Monty since he burst onto the scene. Okay, there have been occasions I have seen him in the limited times I have watched United for the 90 minutes when I've thought, 'Monty played well' or 'thank God Monty was there'. But they are overshadowed by the myriad of times when I've thought or said 'Aw, fucking HELL!' Like the countless times he's bobbled a ball of his shins, or versus one team last year when the opposition went on the attack, their winger picked the ball up outside our area and faced the cretin. I thought, 'Don't give a foul away, Monty. Just jockey him sideways or force him backwards, but the dipshit went in, clumpy feet and legs and gave them the free ick they were looking for, because they weren't really going anywhere with the attack. Of course, they scored from the resulting free kick. He has, like against Fulham some years ago, chased people round the pitch and done the full 90 with his shirt dripping and for that he is good. But we might as well employ an Olympic middle distance runner in his spikes to chase players round for the quality of football he produces. To be a decent midfielder you have to couple the work-rate with inductry, vision, skill and footballing nous, some players have varying levels of this, some, like Monty, have fuck all. In fact, I struggle to think of anyone who lacks all of this as much as he, and don't forget we have had people like Bobby Ford and Michael Twiss, not neccesarily the moulded defensive Zeus he is, but similarly fucking shit.

It's odd, therefore, that Monty has survived a fuckload of managers, yet flattered to decieve them all that he is the key to unlock our midfield, a rock to build it all on or even a decent player worthy of a wage.

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

If you believe Doyle is a better player than Montgomery then I think you will lose all credibility you might have.

If I believed that I'd say it. I merely said he was better today and that it was no big deal anyway. As a matter of interest I think gonnorhea is a better STD than syphillis. It doesn't mean I rate either highly!

Left to me, neither of them would be at BDTBL and we would reshape accordingly.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Our fans will never agree, particularly about Monty, but today summed it up for me. First shout 'Quinny you fucking lazy bastard'. Now there's lots of things you can call Quinny, but lazy is never one of them. The other was when Ched was subbed, 'Wilson you haven't an effing clue, why didn't you take that useless turd Cresswell off'. Five minutes later, Ched is sitting with an icepack on his ankle. Sometimes I wonder how we all seem to see the game so differently. Fans seem to take a dilsike to a player and will then never change their minds. Like you said Pommpey, has ANY of the last six managers ever left Monty out of a United side?

 

[captain pugwash]

Listenes to the game on Blades World via the commentary from Radio Cumberland. The two commentators agreed that Utd were the best team they had played all season. And why? Because we broke down any movement they had and were continuually first to the second ball. Now which two players in red and white would have been doing that?

 

[ghandi]

Our fans will never agree, particularly about Monty, but today summed it up for me. First shout 'Quinny you fucking lazy bastard'. Now there's lots of things you can call Quinny, but lazy is never one of them. The other was when Ched was subbed, 'Wilson you haven't an effing clue, why didn't you take that useless turd Cresswell off'. Five minutes later, Ched is sitting with an icepack on his ankle. Sometimes I wonder how we all seem to see the game so differently. Fans seem to take a dilsike to a player and will then never change their minds. Like you said Pommpey, has ANY of the last six managers ever left Monty out of a United side?

Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer played for England they were shite, and regardless of how many managers have picked Monty he's shite. The litmus test is how many clubs want to recruit him or have ever wanted not how many of our procession of no mark managers can't see how bad he really is.

 

[Pinchy]

Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer played for England they were shite, and regardless of how many managers have picked Monty he's shite. The litmus test is how many clubs want to recruit him or have ever wanted not how many of our procession of no mark managers can't see how bad he really is.

Exactly. Trust the evidence of your own eyes. We're not talking Clough, Shankly, Paisley and Ferguson are we?
In fairness, he was rarely first choice under NW.

 

[pommpey]

Listenes to the game on Blades World via the commentary from Radio Cumberland. The two commentators agreed that Utd were the best team they had played all season. And why? Because we broke down any movement they ad and were continuually first to the second ball. Now which two players in red and white would have been doing that?

Monty may have been trying to break up play and first to the ball. But it'swhat he does with the ball when he has it that is the telling point. Michael Brown was a midfield tiger, largely unafraid to get his feet in the tackle and come away with the ball (memorable game was the Sky TV 2-1 game at Fratton for that) and when he did that he'd find Nuddy, Tongy, Cheif or whoever; he'd take the ball fifteen to twenty yards toward their goal and lay in a runner or he'd thump the fucker into the net from distance. Monty can't do any of this - his passes are (and have been for fuck knows how long) wayward or overhit, he can't run effectively with the ball at his feet and if he's within range, the fucking ball might land in next week's game if you're lucky. Sure, he's fooled many mangers, but what exactly does he bring to United's game? What has he EVER brought to United's game? Ashley Ward used to 'hold the ball up ... bring other players into the game', but he was still bobbar. You can big players up all you like, but it is their net effect on the game that counts, and Monty's is, and always has been in the minus figures.

pommpey

 

[grafikhaus]

Isn't it funny how a thread titled 'A Wonderful Day' soon descends into a slagfest of the usual suspects!

For me, I thought MacGuire (sp?) was solid today, Willo looked to be having one of those days when he cared until he took a knock and had to go off (though would have been sin-binned in rugby for his neck-high challenge) and both Cressie and Ched put in a shift - thought Cressie should have gone off instead of Ched as he was flagging. There! No slagging at all!

However... D), Beattie was sat just in front of me and did not appear for the second half. Given the quality of 'service' our front players again didn't receive, he probably thought it would be foolish to step back into our 'system'. (Again, the visitors showed us how clever, quick interplay leads to all kinds of possibilities in and around the box)

But I'm determined not to be negative about a win, so onwards and upwards to bottom-team Chesterfield who are shipping goals. Can't see them changing that run against us next week.

Can you...........???

 

[shorehamview]

Very, very impressive stuff Pinch.

Your nose is getting brown again Mic. If it's not beating McCabe with financial details (some of which are deserved, some aren't) it's :kissass:, and it's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

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If you believe Doyle is a better player than Montgomery then I think you will lose all credibility you might have.

He believes Stephen Hawking is a better player than Montgomery. Remember that goal Monty scored? Pinchy didn't see it. Ever seen a Monty pass, or tackle? Pinchy hasn't, ever. Monty has never completed a pass, tackled a player or scored a goal, because Pinchy says so.

I'll happily accept that Monty isn't the best player we've ever had, but he's a long way too from being the worst as Pinchy would claim. He wasn't the worst in a red and white shirt yesterday either. Still, Pinchy has been watching and playing the game for a hundred and eleventy three years, so he must be right.

 

[Willie Carlin]

Trust Foxy to send for the cavalry!

As we've found over the years LSF we agree on most things but the average takes a knock when we get to Monty, doesn't it?

Let me make it clear, I'm no fan of Mrs. Doyle but. I genuinely think he played better than Monty today. No big deal that, of course, and akin to debating who should be voted off X-Factor!

Far be it from me (once his fiercest critic) but I thought that Quinn, along with Willo, Ched and Matt Lowton, was involved in anything creative we did today.

Anyway, we kept a clean sheet and won. There's a long way to go and all to play for. We need a good January. If we're clever, brave and lucky we could well go close by the end of the season.

I thought Lowton was and is good good at going forward but the defensive side of the game is shocking. He was beaten several times by their sub (the coloured lad)in the second half quite easiely. We let ourselves down yesterday with giving the ball away in the second half instead of getting and keeping the thing. We desperately need a player who can do this.

 

[sheffielder]

If I believed that I'd say it. I merely said he was better today and that it was no big deal anyway. As a matter of interest I think gonnorhea is a better STD than syphillis. It doesn't mean I rate either highly!

Left to me, neither of them would be at BDTBL and we would reshape accordingly.

77

I agree about MOnty and Doyle, however saying Doyle was better yesterday I find insulting to my own eyes

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Round 115 of the great Monty debate - Pinchy, I too have watched United for 51 seasons now and also played the game at a reasonable level (just to match you up on credentials of course) and we've crossed swords on Sir Nick on many an occasion over this past 10 years.
Today, Monty was sort of shit, sort of comedy and also did some of his usual necessary dirty work that goes unseen even by the discerning eye of yourself and his many other heavy critics. He was generally poor by his own standards imo, but he was far from alone. Doyle was certainly lucky to stay on and as Foxy says, he has a nasty streak that he uses cunningly, but he will pay soon and leave us short handed if continues some of the awful fouls he commits (usually on the blind side of the officials).
Quinn, as Sitwell says was, AWOL today and when he did appear, it usually led to poor decision making with his touch (usually one or two too many) his passing, (badly timed), his runs,(into the wrong areas and was then left gasping as if a tad unfit?).
The front two also left a lot to be desired today - Cressy, missed pen (that can happen to best of players), plenty of his usual effort, but generally his runs and partnership understanding with Ched was dire. Ched, how frustrating a player is he! Has some talent but no idea how to harness it and if he had another brain cell, he may well be dangerous, I really can't work this kid out?
The defence was generally sound, though I'm not sure if that was more Carlisle being rather clueless in the last third, but we withstood the ariel barrage in the final phase better than we have previously.
Generally, I thought we were piss poor today and if we play like that against an obviously floundering Chesterfield next week, they could still quite possibly turn us over.
I'd like to see Flynn start next week - He is a tidy little player and rarely gives the ball away plus he uses it rather astutely. He has no obvious turn of blistering pace but is 'nippy' over a short distance and once he has made a yard on an opponent, he generally uses this to the full advantage, more to come from this lad I think.

Should we complain too much after today? Clean sheet, fifth in table, 5 points clear of 7th place - but i still left Bramall Lane today shaking my head at the mediocrity of it all....

Am I missing something in regards to Quinn? You do realise Sitwell would say Quinn was shit even if he went home with the match ball?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Doyle was a bit better second half than his completely missing performance of the first half.

I wouldn't say Lowton was back to his best but he was improved. Maguire did well and Collins but there were a few occassions of worry still today when they allowed the ball to bounce in the box that a better team could have punished us for, but much much better than recent weeks.

I thought McAllister would have helped us keep possession far better in the last 20 minutes as well. We went into panic stations for the last ten minutes, but in the end still had a good few breaks. Quinn infuriates me at the moment the ammount of times we were in real good positions where he'd pull the ball back and totally take the sting out of the attack was silly.

Quinn got through on goal near the end, clear chance, but wait, Quinn can`t use his right foot so has to turn slowly round and wait for the carthorse attack to catch up. Apart from Simonsen the display was awful.

 

[blade too long]

Sign of how good 7 of our players are if they can carry 4 dead wood players and still keep a clean sheet and get 3 points

We are fabulous at finding the negatives at the Lane, but hopeless in our quest to take the positives.
Players , even the Tony Curries have shit games
Saw George Best live about 6 times and the only thing he did was the goal at old trafford in the 2-0 win and that was because theyd systematically took Len Badger out of the game, who had him in his pocket
Gil Reece ended up marking him, but hes regarded as the greatest talent ever , but I must have seen him on his off days

Not saying Monty is the new George Best , but hes in a pants run of form , it happens.
We arent the finished article , but considering most thought at best wed do well to stay up , something scunthorpe and preston who came down with us are flirting with now , Wilsons not doing too bad
We can keep up there and even push on , but we have to support the effort being made, not the constant never ending whinging thats become the norm

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Should we complain too much after today? Clean sheet, fifth in table, 5 points clear of 7th place - but i still left Bramall Lane today shaking my head at the mediocrity of it all....

part of my point
when we were say 5th in the championship many left the ground feeling that way
we tend to be gloomy buggars
I reckon if we were 5th in the prem and only just beaten everton 1-0
thered still be some complaining

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Your nose is getting brown again Mic. If it's not beating McCabe with financial details (some of which are deserved, some aren't) it's :kissass:, and it's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

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He believes Stephen Hawking is a better player than Montgomery. Remember that goal Monty scored? Pinchy didn't see it. Ever seen a Monty pass, or tackle? Pinchy hasn't, ever. Monty has never completed a pass, tackled a player or scored a goal, because Pinchy says so.

I'll happily accept that Monty isn't the best player we've ever had, but he's a long way too from being the worst as Pinchy would claim. He wasn't the worst in a red and white shirt yesterday either. Still, Pinchy has been watching and playing the game for a hundred and eleventy three years, so he must be right.

Quinn was the worst player yesterday, and what of Cresswell missing the rebound off the bar?
Very poor.

 

[Pinchy]

Quinn was the worst player yesterday, and what of Evans missing the rebound off the bar?
Very poor eyesight, I've got.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Quinn was the worst player yesterday, and what of Evans missing the rebound off the bar?
Very poor.

It was Cresswell who missed the rebound off the bar, not Evans.

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Quinn got through on goal near the end, clear chance, but wait, Quinn can`t use his right foot so has to turn slowly round and wait for the carthorse attack to catch up. Apart from Simonsen the display was awful.

Simmo had nothing to do. It was an ok performance against a team with a good away record. We weren't great but deserved to win - as the possession, shots & corner stats show.

 

[super_pig]

>I thought Lowton was and is good good at going forward but the defensive side of the game is shocking
yes.. because he is a box to box midfielder playing out of position.. he can tackle a bit and his instinct is to get forward.. even from fullback he often appears in the box.. monty was so bad on saturday that people were simply guffawing at his ineptitude.. my window cleaner is a massive and after the derby he collared me and says 'who is that guy who was your captain, he's bloody awful'..
who/what/where is doyle??