CONFIRMED Slaviša Jokanović

[Flatulent_Bob]

Playing devil's advocate: if it was that huge a loss why didn't we change the formation the mitigate that loss?

I'd concur that losing JOC didn't make the system anywhere near as effective - but why not change the system??

Like I keep saying, I hope we find a new manager who isn't as rigid as the previous one and we can flex and adapt tactics and shape as required...

Change the formation to what, and play whom in the defence?
Look at the players we have back there, you can find one at a push who could play centre back at PL level without being massively exposed.

There's a reason we stuck ridgily to the three and it's because we didn't have the players to change it. What we could have, and should have changed is how deep the midfield was then pulled and how the fullbacks stopped pushing on meaning we effectively had 6 defensive players within the last 30 yards almost constantly.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Change the formation to what, and play whom in the defence?
Look at the players we have back there, you can find one at a push who would play centre back at PL level.

Egan, Jagielka and Ampadu could play as a two.

You could have had Egan/Jagielka with Ampadu sat in front in a midfield 5...

Either, either or though. All I know is 18 games = 2 points - trying to shoehorn Ampadu, Stevens and Bryan to LCB clearly wasn't working and clearly wasn't working long before we got to 18 games.

Going back on topic - a manager/coach who could come up with a Plan B when Plan A palpably isn't working is what I want...

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Egan, Jagielka and Ampadu could play as a two.

You could have had Egan/Jagielka with Ampadu sat in front in a midfield 5...

Either, either or though. All I know is 18 games = 2 points - trying to shoehorn Ampadu, Stevens and Bryan to LCB clearly wasn't working and clearly wasn't working long before we got to 18 games.

Going back on topic - a manager/coach who could come up with a Plan B when Plan A palpably isn't working is what I want...

OK, totally disagree that Jags or Ampadu could play in a back 2. Egan I think there's a huge question mark about at PL level.
Totally agree about the tactics though, but it wasn't the formation, it was the mentality he couldn't fix. We were shitting it every match and if we did start brightly it disappeared quicker than a fart in a gale once the opposition did anything in response. That's what we lost from the first half of the season, belief and CW is included in that, and for me that is why we wanted out and he needed to peg it on the board.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

OK, totally disagree that Jags or Ampadu could play in a back 2. Egan I think there's a huge question mark about at PL level.
Totally agree about the tactics though, but it wasn't the formation, it was the mentality he couldn't fix. We were shitting it every match and if we did start brightly it disappeared quicker than a fart in a gale once the opposition did anything in response. That's what we lost from the first half the season, belief and CW is included in that, and for me that is why we wanted out and he needed to peg it on the board.

Couldnt put my hand on heart and say you're right or wrong. However, history tells us trying to shoehorn a LCB into the system that isn't JOC was fundamentally wrong.

Mentality is right though and the Chris Wilder who resigned his commission at HMS Bramall Lane was diametrically different to the one of the early days. The one who ended the game with 5 strikers v Fulham having lost 6-4...

 

[Snowflake]

Couldnt put my hand on heart and say you're right or wrong. However, history tells us trying to shoehorn a LCB into the system that isn't JOC was fundamentally wrong.

Mentality is right though and the Chris Wilder who resigned his commission at HMS Bramall Lane was diametrically different to the one of the early days. The one who ended the game with 5 strikers v Fulham having lost 6-4...

What happened to the original topic for discussion ?

 

[S40BLADE]

Welcome to Rumour Mill. Where we wait in hopeful anticipation for positive news. Only to be met with derailed threads.

 

[Rudders]

Welcome to Rumour Mill. Where we wait in hopeful anticipation for positive news. Only to be met with derailed threads.

So it's not today then dad?

 

[S40BLADE]

So it's not today then dad?

There's always tomorrow son... always.

 

[SLB]

Egan, Jagielka and Ampadu could play as a two.

You could have had Egan/Jagielka with Ampadu sat in front in a midfield 5...

Either, either or though. All I know is 18 games = 2 points - trying to shoehorn Ampadu, Stevens and Bryan to LCB clearly wasn't working and clearly wasn't working long before we got to 18 games.

Going back on topic - a manager/coach who could come up with a Plan B when Plan A palpably isn't working is what I want...

"Egan, Jagielka and Ampadu could play as a two"


No, we'd never get away with that. People would notice there's three of them..

 

[Billyblade]

FGS get the thread back on topic!!!

Now, who owns the Freehold?

 

[BigBed]

I don't think I did bad to say I'm not on twatter or facetube.
Besides, I thought they used the steel left over from titanic to build Hillsborough?

 

[Jinxy1966]

I don't think I did bad to say I'm not on twatter or facetube.
Besides, I thought they used the steel left over from titanic to build Hillsborough?

They used the steel reclaimed from the wreck by the looks of it. Quite apt really as HMS Piss the League hit its own particular iceberg in the shape of their points deduction with Chansiri at the helm & Bazza taking up the Kate Winslet pose at the prow & has now sunk into the murky depths of League 1.
Another similarity is that the sty also tends to end up under water.

 

[Kevin Arnott]

I don't think I did bad to say I'm not on twatter or facetube.
Besides, I thought they used the steel left over from titanic to build Hillsborough?

They just didn't realise they'd still need the lifeboats

 

[Newbury Blade]

Couldnt put my hand on heart and say you're right or wrong. However, history tells us trying to shoehorn a LCB into the system that isn't JOC was fundamentally wrong.

Mentality is right though and the Chris Wilder who resigned his commission at HMS Bramall Lane was diametrically different to the one of the early days. The one who ended the game with 5 strikers v Fulham having lost 6-4...

5-4, and hopefully we will soon be managed by the winner.

 

[wakefieldblade]

Heard from a very reliable source today, things are moving closer with SJ

 

[Half a magnet]

It hope he is announced at the game on Sunday.

 

[Ranmoorblade]

Heard from a very reliable source today, things are moving closer with SJ

Feck me they’ve had months. Get a bloody move on before another club steps in.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Feck me they’ve had months. Get a bloody move on before another club steps in.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Someone off facebook reckons it's Eddie Howe now

 

[BlairBlade]

Someone off facebook reckons it's Eddie Howe now

or simply of their face?

 

[bertieblade]

I think it’s Clement, but like everyone else it’s just a guess

 

[jono_t2000]

Any rules can't have more than 1 manager? Let's just appoint them all and keep everyone happy (wait these are Blades fans, someone will still moan )

 

[blade_ben]

It’s Heckingbottom

 

[blade67]

If we were sat in 9th place come january 1st, and not rock bottom setting records the problems with the board would be non issues. When you fail as badly as Wilder did the first half of the season in any job your boss has the right to ask questions! It was the results that caused the tensions not the other way round. And if you genuinely think wilder offered another realistic JOC replacement and was knocked back but next minute asked for 23million brewster to compete with 5 other strikers and it was granted, you're having yourself on.
If he hadn't got credit in the bank hed have been sacked in October.

This is the key isn't it?

He had built his power based on his success on the pitch and when that stopped, the questions and the tensions started. He'll go somewhere else and have more reasoned demands I suspect.

As for us, he leaves us with a squad that looks full of top half championship plyers and £100m in parachute payments to work with. Compared to the squad he started with he did a very good job.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Someone off facebook reckons it's Eddie Howe now

It won’t be. Eddie is far too down the line with Celtic.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Nuno uno.

 

[finlaytheblade]

This is the key isn't it?

He had built his power based on his success on the pitch and when that stopped, the questions and the tensions started. He'll go somewhere else and have more reasoned demands I suspect.

As for us, he leaves us with a squad that looks full of top half championship plyers and £100m in parachute payments to work with. Compared to the squad he started with he did a very good job.

I reckon a lot of what you say is how it was Bladey I think most of us thought Wilder could walk on waterTurned out he is human and makes mistakes.
The big mistake in my opinion was Brewster ( not blaming Brewster or getting on his back) to spend big bucks on a novice did seem a bit over the top with our budget being stretched to the limit by signing him.
Although Joc wasnt at that point ruled out for the season there was every chance he could be and subsequently he was.
We were left with a dearth of quality in midfield with 6 strikers who were starved of ammunition to score goals + a gaping hole in our game plan with joc out for the season..
Yes Wilder got it wrong and naturally the prince wernt happy ! .not surprising really.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Playing devil's advocate: if it was that huge a loss why didn't we change the formation the mitigate that loss?

I'd concur that losing JOC didn't make the system anywhere near as effective - but why not change the system??

Like I keep saying, I hope we find a new manager who isn't as rigid as the previous one and we can flex and adapt tactics and shape as required...

You're not really playing devils advocate there because I agree with you. We needed to change shape. I kept boringly rolling out the old Einstein quote - "madness is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The success of last season clearly went to Wilder's head in some ways - not necessarily an arrogance, but it made him too assured that things would come back our way & that he was doing everything right. To be a top level coach you have to be able to adapt to different scenarios & we didn't, or couldn't. If it's "didn't" that's on Wilder. If it's "couldn't" that's because of squad limitating factors. Recruitment. Also Wilder.

 

[ancientblade]

I reckon a lot of what you say is how it was Bladey I think most of us thought Wilder could walk on waterTurned out he is human and makes mistakes.
The big mistake in my opinion was Brewster ( not blaming Brewster or getting on his back) to spend big bucks on a novice did seem a bit over the top with our budget being stretched to the limit by signing him.
Although Joc wasnt at that point ruled out for the season there was every chance he could be and subsequently he was.
We were left with a dearth of quality in midfield with 6 strikers who were starved of ammunition to score goals + a gaping hole in our game plan with joc out for the season..
Yes Wilder got it wrong and naturally the prince wernt happy ! .not surprising really.

yes it was a mistake paying 23m for brewster but hes shown nothing of the form he did at swansea just dont think like mcburnie hes a good fit for us if swansea go up maybe they will be in for him and i would sell even though were certs to make a loss on any deal

 

[Frank the tank]

yes it was a mistake paying 23m for brewster but hes shown nothing of the form he did at swansea just dont think like mcburnie hes a good fit for us if swansea go up maybe they will be in for him and i would sell even though were certs to make a loss on any deal

Can't believe how many posts I see on here advocating cut price deals to off load players
If we don't go up next season you will all be ecstatic as everyone will be off to lower the wage bill