SwissBlade
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I realise it, i'm just busy sorting out war and famine at the moment. I'll get us back there soon
Stafford Blade
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do you seriously think tickets priced at 35 quid ( or more ) will be like gold dust? No matter what way you look at it, 30 odd quid to watch THIRD DIVISION football is an absolute scandal.
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Something seems a bit odd about the way they are deliberately trying to turn fans away but at the same time looking to secure as much income as soon as possible by attempting to hold a gun to fans' heads.
Beginning to wonder if there might be some severe financial problems at the Lane.
Beginning to wonder if there might be some severe financial problems at the Lane.
SwissBlade
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Wow! Just think of all them Saturday's you'll have free to think of more conspiracy theories when all you really want is to be at the lane... Then you'll just think fcuk it, I'll pay the 35 Quid. You may even have a look at the simple way to buy online!
AlienWoodward
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When Neil Warnock first became manager,he came on the radio and was quoted in the Sheffield Star as saying we needed 16K plus so many hundred gates just to break even.
That was in 1999. !
What is the break even figure now ? I am pitching it is higher than that.
If the club are serious about all season tickets bought from now are at the higher price (in the midst of a serious recession)they are gonna be pretty well a lot more fucked financially by the end of the season than they are now.
I have not renewed yet. In fact I have never renewed on deadline day and always had the the pre deadline day deal. I expect I will renew but at the lower pre deadline day deal.
If the club want more then they will not get a penny from me,not just this season but I expect for a lot of seasons as I will probably drift away,as most fans seem to disappear for more than one season. I think once customers walk away they are not easily brought back into the field.
United desparately need all the renewals they can get and lets face it how many businesses get paid a year in advance before they produce. I wish I could work my budget out the way football clubs get to do it.
The cost of the ticket is no issue to me and the time is no issue I am lucky, to some it is a serious struggle and the club do not seem to appreciate that fact. I would guess a few thousand fans right now would love to renew but do not immediately have the finance in place to do so.
I think a serious word from Mr McCabe on the OS is not to much to expect. He has failed us massively and we are now in a far worse position than when he took over. "Europe in five years" I seem to remember was touted about as well as this seasons classic "we won't go down".
Whoever is doing the job of selling the club to the fans is not very good at what he is doing.
United need to hold the price at the lower levels and invite people to maybe pay a deposit now and in full maybe the week before the season starts. I reckon that way, once peeople have accepted relegation, had their summer hols and come back refreshed,the gates wouldn't be to much down on last season.
McCabe seiously needs to come out now and speak to the fans,pledge the prices will be held or they risk losing 5/6 thousand fans for a good few years.
It's not to often I agree with Len and I have been sharing forums with him for a good ten years, but this time he is spot on
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That was in 1999. !
What is the break even figure now ? I am pitching it is higher than that.
If the club are serious about all season tickets bought from now are at the higher price (in the midst of a serious recession)they are gonna be pretty well a lot more fucked financially by the end of the season than they are now.
I have not renewed yet. In fact I have never renewed on deadline day and always had the the pre deadline day deal. I expect I will renew but at the lower pre deadline day deal.
If the club want more then they will not get a penny from me,not just this season but I expect for a lot of seasons as I will probably drift away,as most fans seem to disappear for more than one season. I think once customers walk away they are not easily brought back into the field.
United desparately need all the renewals they can get and lets face it how many businesses get paid a year in advance before they produce. I wish I could work my budget out the way football clubs get to do it.
The cost of the ticket is no issue to me and the time is no issue I am lucky, to some it is a serious struggle and the club do not seem to appreciate that fact. I would guess a few thousand fans right now would love to renew but do not immediately have the finance in place to do so.
I think a serious word from Mr McCabe on the OS is not to much to expect. He has failed us massively and we are now in a far worse position than when he took over. "Europe in five years" I seem to remember was touted about as well as this seasons classic "we won't go down".
Whoever is doing the job of selling the club to the fans is not very good at what he is doing.
United need to hold the price at the lower levels and invite people to maybe pay a deposit now and in full maybe the week before the season starts. I reckon that way, once peeople have accepted relegation, had their summer hols and come back refreshed,the gates wouldn't be to much down on last season.
McCabe seiously needs to come out now and speak to the fans,pledge the prices will be held or they risk losing 5/6 thousand fans for a good few years.
It's not to often I agree with Len and I have been sharing forums with him for a good ten years, but this time he is spot on
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BladeHearts
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The club are already offering a 10-month Direct Debit with no deposit, so the deals are pretty attractive.
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Think you're pretty much bang on there Alien.
Cannot find any logic for the way they are threatening fans other than very severe financial problems and a desperate need to get cash in to keep the club afloat over the summer.
Worrying times ahead.
Cannot find any logic for the way they are threatening fans other than very severe financial problems and a desperate need to get cash in to keep the club afloat over the summer.
Worrying times ahead.
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Threatening?!
BladeHearts
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In what way are fans being threatened?
The club has offered to freeze what are already competitive ST prices for 2 seasons and put together flexible finance options to help pay for these.
The club has also reassured ST holders that they wont devalue their purchase by effectively handing out freebies left, right and centre.
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Freezing prices to watch a standard of football that is far worse than fans paid for this year really is a cracking offer isn't it?
On a positive note, at least those that are going next year won't have to queue for a piss or a pie.
SwissBlade
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I can categorically say I have never been threatened by anyone associated with Sheffield United... I was water boarded by Derek Geary though
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Yup, read that comment from the club.
We're putting prices up for much less attractive opposition in a lower league and if you don't like it you best shell out now.
Looks more and more like major financial troubles at the Lane I'm afraid.
Not that surprising in a way but sadly yet another example of the kind of short-sightedness that has so damaged the club since relegation from the Prem.
They'll have thought, shit, we cannot possibly get through the summer with the kind of wages we are having to pay and having lost so much this season.
End result, attempt to put a gun to the head of the fans in a desperate attempt to secure cashflow.
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ive allways found buying a ticket quite easy ,you go to the ticket office say can i have a ticket hand over some hard earned and amazingly they print you one off.but im sure they could allways deliver it buy stretch limo to my house .lewis out
dingledog
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There can be no doubt these are desperate times at the lane. I think the myopia runs through the club from the very top to the very bottom. It's my strong belief that football clubs in general treat their loyal supporters poorly, safe in the knowledge that they are addicted. So you can make a direct comparison with the people who sell illegal drugs. Obviously thus is a personal opinion.
We had a gents evening with Jan Molby last week and he told a story about Johan Cruyff ,when he took the managers job at Ajax ,they were averaging 12000 fans (can't remember exact figure) ,Cruyff took a low wage and split the profits with the club on all crowds over 15000. In a couple of years they were getting over 40000. Warnock would have done well with a scheme like that ,could it be the incentive a manager and his backroom staff need ?
SwissBlade
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So the club are similar to drug dealers who like to threaten fans. Crikey, some people are taking things down hill rapidly
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Agreed. Needs to be discussed. Seems to me they needed a method of selling tickets which gave them a pretty definite cash figure for this summer with all thoughts of the future and fan base cast aside for the time being. Obviously, hardly any are going to be sold over the summer so hopefully we have enough cash to tide us over until a few player sales happen in August.
I'm all for renewing and season ticket holders who do meet the deadline getting some sort of discount over the likes of Alien who seem to be able to ring up in August and pay the same but to put another £70 on in April when the team/management is a total and utter joke has to mean factors other than keeping us happy are in play.
At last old Trevor and his insolvency expertise might be coming into play.
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SwissBlade
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Considering that you went for 7,500 and we've hit nearly 10,000 already I'll take it that your guess of "hardly any are going to be sold over the summer" is another wild stab in the dark. I don't know what percentage is normally sold during the summer, but with good prices for "True Blades at the Lane" I'd also assume that its going to be fewer than normal.
I don't think you can assume that relegation will have much of an impact as most will have thought we were at best 50/50 to go down when they purchased theirs before Sunday.
As far as I can remember, United (and other football clubs) have always looked to maximise revenue at the end of the season as its a long time from May-August, with almost no revenue (except for the Sheffield Eagles) and then new Shirt sales in around July.
I'm not saying that we're not in financial trouble, but there is certainly nothing new to suggest that we are, other than our revenue will be much lower next season, but then so will wages
Anyone know how many Season Tickets we sold this season? Anyone know how much we made from Flexi tickets and half season tickets?
I don't think you can assume that relegation will have much of an impact as most will have thought we were at best 50/50 to go down when they purchased theirs before Sunday.
As far as I can remember, United (and other football clubs) have always looked to maximise revenue at the end of the season as its a long time from May-August, with almost no revenue (except for the Sheffield Eagles) and then new Shirt sales in around July.
I'm not saying that we're not in financial trouble, but there is certainly nothing new to suggest that we are, other than our revenue will be much lower next season, but then so will wages
Anyone know how many Season Tickets we sold this season? Anyone know how much we made from Flexi tickets and half season tickets?
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Must confess I am surprised by the 10k figure. Fair play - the 'threats' have worked. I am astonished by the £70 increase and cannot see more than a handful more been sold.
Yes, wage bill will be down but McCabe has stopped putting wedge in and I assume overdraft will not be extended. The wage would need to drop by monumnetal proportions in order to reach a situation where it and other costs are covered by ticket sales and other income.
Assuming all the big earners - including Birch - are around until August, most of the ST cash will have gone - what happens then?
beechblade
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The club will get money from sponsorship deals for around the ground, any hoardings that are up for renewal will generate some more income, match day sponsors and match day ball sponsor. Whatever the TV deal is for lower league clubs. Sponsorship for the website. As Swiss already pointed the sales of new merchandise of the season all bring in funds and I'm sure there is a parachute from the Championship down to League One albeit not much, but one to certainly bolster the wage demands (unless this has gone away.) There should be a few more season ticket sales for fans who have started to come more regular and have opportunities of getting better seats now, how many we'll just have to wait and see, but there will be a lot going off to secure more funds than just the sales of season tickets. These are all other revenue schemes the club run and I find it funny that people talking of the demise of the club don't seem to have any actual knowledge about the many different ways clubs can and do generate money, other than through the sales of season tickets.
AlienWoodward
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The club will definately chase up all non renewing season tickets holders,they will have to.
I am not sure what the average cost of a ticket is but pluck say £350 out at a guess and times that by a couple of thousand non renewed who take up the offer,as is possible and that would give the club another 700k to play with.
This isn't like any other season like when we went, up or before the play off when we looked like we could go up. Then everyone was clammering for a seat so as not to miss out on the big games. But now the fans are upset and reluctant to part with their money so soon.
I will be amazed if the club stick by their word of no more reduced season tickets. I think reality will hit home soon that they do not have the appeal they had a few seasons ago.
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I am not sure what the average cost of a ticket is but pluck say £350 out at a guess and times that by a couple of thousand non renewed who take up the offer,as is possible and that would give the club another 700k to play with.
This isn't like any other season like when we went, up or before the play off when we looked like we could go up. Then everyone was clammering for a seat so as not to miss out on the big games. But now the fans are upset and reluctant to part with their money so soon.
I will be amazed if the club stick by their word of no more reduced season tickets. I think reality will hit home soon that they do not have the appeal they had a few seasons ago.
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raul
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I don't see how they can. The "you're in or you're out" challenge to peoples Bladeness has paid off and renewals will surely be higher than they'd expected/deserved. But having done so, they can't now go back on the very premise - cheapest price, no deals for the naysayers - they've done so well out of.
silverfox
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Having had a season ticket most years since the late 60's I think the club need to look after the ones willing to stump up the cash.
Having said that I don't think the cheap deals need to stop if needed and the free schoolkids and University student free tickets should continue.
At times like these they could easily offer free boxes or a free meal and directors box....etc... to people who have been paying for a number of years.
Just my thoughts.
raul
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Can't argue, a proper marketing campaign will mix things up a bit, but having stipulated they won't be doing so......they won't be doing so
And if I may be so modest, the latter was one of my suggestions to RB first time there was a thread about questions to....a means of adding value to those who say "yes" without alienating those who say "no"
And if I may be so modest, the latter was one of my suggestions to RB first time there was a thread about questions to....a means of adding value to those who say "yes" without alienating those who say "no"
silverfox
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Can't argue, a proper marketing campaign will mix things up a bit, but having stipulated they won't be doing so......they won't be doing so
And if I may be so modest, the latter was one of my suggestions to RB first time there was a thread about questions to....a means of adding value to those who say "yes" without alienating those who say "no"
I don't read most of the stuff on here anymore to be honest.......but if you agree with me I think you may be weird!
Although most Hibs fans i've met are weird anyway!
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Jeez, you bump into more Hobos on here than you do at Easter Road these days!!
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