Video on sky sports football app - our owner talking about Wilder's departure

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Depends if you trust him. I don't.

One of the reasons being that if Wilder has resigned then he doesn't get a payoff, if he's paid him off then he hasn't walked. The use of the £4m in the interview seems to me like a strategy to get working class Sheffielders to turn against Wilder. It seems to have worked with some.
I HIGHLY doubt it would be made up as that would be a huge slander on nationwide media and easily provable if it went to court (emails/phone calls) etc

I just don't see that being something that would be made up or even risk being stated unless it rung true.
 

Whilst its a bit of airing dirty laundry in public, most fans were clamouring to know what was going on and PA has explained.

I'm sure its a bit one sided, but tbf he speaks rationally, sensibly and most of what he says makes sense.

Seems to boil down to the fact board were unwilling to let Chris run the club which is fair (nor rich enough to do so) and Wilder too stubborn to admit he was infallible. Creating a breakdown in relationships and an untenable position.

Whilst this sort of single mindedness and old school approach is admirable from Wilder, one thing a few have mentioned is this potentially limits the scale of job Chris can get, managers simply do not get that level of control or autonomy at 'big' clubs. If you are the Newcastle / Celtic board, you'd question whether you want such potentially difficult manager.
 
Did you listen to the interview ?
of course i have. but doesnt change what we know

i didnt even start on the fact that the princes want wilder to stop telling the truth. "stop saying we have championship players" why we have championship players
 
In the real world of companies and PLC, if you resign and hand your notice in, you generally work your contracted notice period and leave, you don’t get a pay off.
Often, companies may well ask you to leave immediately and just pay up your notice period because they then don’t want you in the business
If they sack you, then a severance payment is usually up for negotiation, unless it’s for gross misconduct and disciplinary’s etc
 
What is it specifically that makes you hate these people so much? I honestly don't understand what has made you get like this.
Have you not noticed how they absolutely slate Wilder? Really nasty and personal stuff questioning his motives, calling him greedy, jumping ship, not really a blade etc. Such odd behaviour from United fans. Seem to enjoy slating him as well it certainly isn't done with a sense of sadness it's turned out this way. Tbh they'll probably be exactly the same to Prince once he fucks up next season, it's probably just they enjoy chucking out their bullshit knowing it will annoy a few people. But it's still pretty sickening
 
Yep but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to ask for that. It's not just he's done quite well. If we go back to times in the championship we were in trouble financially. He's added hundreds of millions to us. Even if you don't agree this greedy cunt stuff is fucking ridiculous. Even more laughable is these clowns proclaiming he's not really one of our own. Like they are.
He's not an owner. He doesn't get a slice of the profits. He was an employee. Paid to do a job. He did a very good job and was paid bonuses as a reward. Rightly or wrongly, United aren't the CO-OP.
 
but there is spending beyond their means like villa in 1st season & Fulham 3 years ago then there is competing. what has happened. because there highly likely championship teams with bigger wage budgets than us

like i always when we wanted Callum Wilson & we couldn't even competed on wages with newly relegated Bournemouth highly likely wilson had to take pay cut despite moving from championship to premier league . how are we supposed to complete v other rivals . that goes for Robinson, Cash, Watkins, Barkley, Eze, Swift etc.

That’s why the Prince has given the option of widening the scouting network and looking abroad for better value for money players.

The answer to your question is that, we can’t compete for those players but its not like the Prince has said no we can’t afford these players go with what you’ve got. He’s made attempts to help Chris and it’s been turned down.

Instead we’ve spent A LOT of money on players who aren’t really up to the task right now.
 
The willingness of some of our fans to lap up what the media offer them will never fail to surprise me.

No one is asking the question "what has put Wilder to the point where he wants to walk away?".

I'm not saying Abdullah is wrong or lying, just that some people need to not just accept what they're told like good little lap dogs.
McCabe spoke very well. I haven’t met many top CEOs, successful business people etc, who don’t speak well. In fact, I vaguely remember from the various training courses I went on, that being articulate and persuasive is what tends to set leaders apart from those who just have good technical skills.

There are two sides to every story and when relationships break down, it’s rarely the sole fault of one side. Clearly CW has brought some of this on himself, he knows as well as anyone that football is ultimately about results and our results have been shit. A manager is determined by his transfers and, since we joined the PL, they’ve not been good. There’s mitigation for some of this and obvious disagreement over how to move forward. I don’t blame CW for sticking to his guns, it’s because he has that type of personality that he had the strength to navigate our success through the issues between the owners behind the scene.

It’s a real shame that it’s ended like this but for managers, like politicians, it rarely ends well, even for someone like Wenger, who did so much for his club. I just wish it had been a couple of years down the line after staying up and becoming more established but even that can bring its own problems.

I’m not angry anymore, just sad that it’s happened and hopeful we can move on and have a good next season.
 
He may have his dignity and not want a public mud slinging match, he may be licking his wounds or he may have a non-disclosure agreement.

BTW, have you stopped beating your wife?
Hmmm, I'm not sure the Streisand Effect works here - the accusations are pretty much as high profile as they will get, so there's no value in Wilder not denying them. I imagine PA hasn't been 100% truthful here, but then I imagine it's not far from either.
 
Have you not noticed how they absolutely slate Wilder? Really nasty and personal stuff questioning his motives, calling him greedy, jumping ship, not really a blade etc. Such odd behaviour from United fans. Seem to enjoy slating him as well it certainly isn't done with a sense of sadness it's turned out this way. Tbh they'll probably be exactly the same to Prince once he fucks up next season, it's probably just they enjoy chucking out their bullshit knowing it will annoy a few people. But it's still pretty sickening
And that calls for the stuff Tyler Al Asaba calls them?
 
This whole wilder identifies good targets is a myth if he doesn’t identify gettable players, anyone can identify good players but good recruitment fishes in the correct pond to catch the right fish.

Think of the “filter out unrealistic targets” feature on football manager, if you don’t tick that you’ll have a lot of disappointing negotiations on it
One thing that was interesting was that the Prince said something along the lines of there wasn’t really a wage structure. You would have thought that Wilder would have had a realistic idea of what we could afford in terms of wages.

Having said that though, it appears CW has been given an alternative pond to fish in which might bring up better options but he’s opted not to take it.
 
He's not an owner. He doesn't get a slice of the profits. He was an employee. Paid to do a job. He did a very good job and was paid bonuses as a reward. Rightly or wrongly, United aren't the CO-OP.
Ye I just don't begrudge him in the slightest getting a big pay off. People making out like he's set for life anyway. He's worked in league 2 or below all his career until he came to us. League 1 and championship I very much doubt we were one of the highest paying clubs for a manager. Probably actually about bottom in the first years. He's given us 2 seasons in the Premier league with all the money that goes with it. More than entitled to try to get the pay off.
 

Are we really outraged he wanted a pay off? He got us £200m plus in Premier league tv money. Not sure why people begrudge him that.

I made my old company a bit of money over the years, but when I stuck my ticket in I didn't expect for one second I'd be entitled to a portion of that past success. That's not the real world. I wouldn't expect them to ask for money back off me if I was a complete failure.

I think Wilderites are finding it incredibly difficult to reconcile that Wilder was a devout Blade but clearly, to our detriment, put his own interests ahead of the clubs in the last 6-9 months. So how do you protect your belief system built on the "HES ONE OF OUR OWN" foundation? Well you start by playing a narrative of "owners skint, PA wanted a DoF, they didn't back him" to create this notion that Wilder was the good guy and PA is the evil villain.

Everything the Prince has claimed in that interview is wide open to legal proceedings if he was telling bare faced lies. He mentioned emails between parties that would support any claim he's made as factual.

So if PA is telling the truth there, and I suspect he is, I think the grown 'adults' who are abusing the club & personnel on social media would be wise to listen to the interview without prejudice. But asking for wisdom, intelligence and temperance from football fans on social media is a pipe dream.
 
of course i have. but doesnt change what we know

i didnt even start on the fact that the princes want wilder to stop telling the truth. "stop saying we have championship players" why we have championship players
You have taken that quote out of context from what was actually said
 
What is it specifically that makes you hate these people so much? I honestly don't understand what has made you get like this.

There's been a long-standing propensity among this fanbase to turn like rattlesnakes on those who have served the club well. They turned on Dave Bassett when his hands were tied due to the club being a trainwreck at the time.

Then Warnock - who I actually can't stand - had a valid point when he said they'd be chanting his name one week and wanting him out the next during his tenure. He also said that being from Sheffield actually made his job harder, due to the attitude of the support. Again, I don't like Warnock one bit, but he was right.

Even down to Billy Sharp, who for some reason unbeknown to me gets a lukewarm reception at best and always has done from the fans (particularly on the forums) whereas anywhere else he'd be idolised.

And now to Wilder, who many were lining up to take a kick at virtually minutes after his departure.

There's something at the heart of the culture of Sheffield United that is dark, ugly and resentful, and even as both a lifelong native of this city and lifelong supporter of the club, I do not understand it. All I know is that I've come to hate it.

I love the club with every fibre of my being, but there's a significant number of those attached to it that throw that "We're all Blades" notion right out the window for me.
 
But there is also the willingness of the cult of Wilder to accept the sly digs in interviews and snippets from his pals on Twitter , the prince is taking a load of flak over this and has every right to put his side of it out there
Can’t see how anyone apart from those with their tongues down wilders pants can’t disagree with anything the prince has said in the interview !

You don't have to be a Wilder fan to question what is being said by Abdullah. Some of it he makes fair points on, others are just a smear campaign against a manager who has served him well.

I would suggest the indignity of a relegation on his CV....

The concept of a football manager's CV is laughable. If his next club want to know what he did in his job at the Blades they don't need to read his CV to find out. 4 good seasons, 1 shit one.

I think I would tend to believe what the clubs owner says to the media rather than hang on every word leaked to social media by Chris Wilder's so called best mate.

If people believe Jim Phipps or this Wit bloke then more fool them. Neither will give a balanced view. I wouldn't trust Abdullah as far as I could throw him though.

I thought that was covered even if you don't believe it.

There was no DoF but they wanted him to look wider in his transfer targets, and give them a wider net from which to land. - CW disagreed.
They wanted more influence in who we looked to sign. - CW disagreed but it does match what was coming out from the pro Wilder press just prior to him leaving.
They blocked the January transfers - Again we know CW disagreed, and again it was in the press he was unhappy they'd done that.
He was struggling to get results out of the team and felt he'd done all he can. - Obviously highly subjective, but there is the clip of CW saying he'd had enough and his interviews certainly changed in tone.

All of the above plus more I'm sure. Ultimately a breakdown in relations between Abdullah and Wilder leading for both parties to move on, But Abdullah has now put the concept of Wilder resigning into the public sphere and the "Chris is a mardy bastard" brigade will lap it up. If he's been paid off he's not resigned.
 
Prince Abdullah comes across very well and everything he said seems to fit in with the bits and pieces we've been drip fed.

At the end of the day it seems almost certain Wilder wanted go and forced the Prince's hand.

Don't think many of us would disagree that CW was pretty narrow minded when it comes to transfer targets either.

Another thing worth mentioning from that interview.

Imagine you're PA. Your Manager wants to resign in December and says his heart might not even be in it next season too. In January, your manager asks for a financial warchest for long term investments.

Do you trust him and release funds?

It would go someway to explaining why Wilder was refused a transfer budget. Justifiably too IMO.
 
It's hardly abandoning a 'sinking ship'. We'd already hit the iceberg at 35 knots and had sunk half an hour ago. He offered to resign last year and he didn't storm out or 'jump ship', at the first sign of trouble.

A bit odd for me that the Prince chooses to speak to Sky (PL paymasters) and not put it out through our club channels. Whatever the rights and wrongs, the Prince has shown very little respect to United fans doing it this way. Still no club statement other than Betty's hand wringing bollocks. A genuine 'thanks to Chris' might have been nice.

There are two sides to every story and we have all seen on various occasions, that Chris can be a mardy twat so I'm not anti-Prince.

Absolute top marks to the Prince for making it clear how safe his job was but then again we don't know what else went on.

The important thing now is not raking up the muck and siding with Prince/CW, but getting the right appointment. Time will tell how good a 'football man' the Prince is.
Throughout the winter CW supporters were highlighting Dyche & Farke as the reasons why we shouldnt sack CW. they didnt bail out - it takes loyalty 2 ways for Burnley & Norwich's return to EPL status to happen. They stood there on relegation day, and patted every player on the back as they trudged off the field, knowing they had took the team down. CW hoped to be sitting on £4m when that fateful day comes our way.

We currently sit bottom of the biggest league with a global audience, PA making a statement on our club channel would have got to fans, but not the world - PA has by many been castigated as the villain, moving out the much loved CW because he wouldnt dance to PA's tune

Well now we know, and so does the wider football community that CW has been angling for this for months, all the barbed comments, all designed to make the board sack him, and give him the payoff he wanted.

Agree it time to move on now, glad we got the truth out.

Interesting to see the reception CW gets when he next appears in the dugout at BDTBL!!
 
Yep but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to ask for that. It's not just he's done quite well. If we go back to times in the championship we were in trouble financially. He's added hundreds of millions to us. Even if you don't agree this greedy cunt stuff is fucking ridiculous. Even more laughable is these clowns proclaiming he's not really one of our own. Like they are.
As with any negotiation, he has every right to ask however, this should be pretty much sewn up in his contract of employment. It seems (and this appears to be a trait in football), that it wasn't so clear cut in the event of contract termination, particularly with regard to CW. To my mind, he is entitled to a pay off commensurate with his notice period, which is how it usually works. It shouldn't be a negotiation unless both parties agree extenuating circumstances and goodwill comes into the equation, usually as a result of unforeseen circumstances.

Football does appear to operate in a different world to the rest of us. 🙄
 
Depends if you trust him. I don't.

One of the reasons being that if Wilder has resigned then he doesn't get a payoff, if he's paid him off then he hasn't walked. The use of the £4m in the interview seems to me like a strategy to get working class Sheffielders to turn against Wilder. It seems to have worked with some.



Ignore the previous 4 seasons then. Not many would have been able to achieve what he had in those seasons.
Your question was: "what has put Wilder to the point where he wants to walk away?"
The previous 4 seasons would count for very little in his own mind whilst overseeing the worst season in our history. It makes perfect sense for him to want to walk away.
 
In the real world of companies and PLC, if you resign and hand your notice in, you generally work your contracted notice period and leave, you don’t get a pay off.
Often, companies may well ask you to leave immediately and just pay up your notice period because they then don’t want you in the business
If they sack you, then a severance payment is usually up for negotiation, unless it’s for gross misconduct and disciplinary’s etc

Aye.
 
Depends if you trust him. I don't.

One of the reasons being that if Wilder has resigned then he doesn't get a payoff, if he's paid him off then he hasn't walked. The use of the £4m in the interview seems to me like a strategy to get working class Sheffielders to turn against Wilder. It seems to have worked with some.



Ignore the previous 4 seasons then. Not many would have been able to achieve what he had in those seasons.
I don't agree with that's the reason. I think he's possibly too honest for his own good at times.

It's naive that he's quoted an amount, however it would be more naive and damaging to his reputation if he was lieing about that amount and the terms of his contract. Especially when Wilder is a local lad and knows a lot of Blades everything you say has to be factual or you're possibly causing a bigger divide with the fans as the truth would come out.

You're right you can't forget what Wilder has done, he's been possibly the best manager we've had. However he's got a track record of causing upset in the board rooms and walking out on clubs too.
 

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