Brewster

[ancientblade]

I was tempted to put in Moose, he just hasnt been in the frame enough.. my thinking for the scapegoat criteria was the pinning of our team's flaws to a single player with consideration of external factors (Rammers' fee and comparing him to Deano, Berge and Brewsters fee, Lunny's contract, Mcburnie for being gangly, his fee, drink driving)...

I agree Burke and Norwood take a lot of stick... although a lot of it is on performances more than anything, I think most of the stick Burke gets is about his passing and shooting (unwarranted as he brings a lot more to the team) and Norwood can't keep possession... you could argue Rammers gets stick for his performances, but he has often been pinned as the biggest issue in the team despite doing OK, he is the GOAT of scapegoats... poor lad

burke isnt a striker and often makes the wrong choice when in good positions simple pass to fleck last night was all that he had to do and it would have been 2 - 0

 

[ekke287]

Take two 20 year olds and hire them for your business.

Tell one he’s shit and overpaid.

Tell the other there’s a future for him if he works for it.

Give them both time.

Brewster is finding his feet in a difficult system and with little to nothing to feed off most games.

Couple that with being dropped into an already finished relegation battle in a side struggling to get motivated.

Triple that with the weight of survival dropped on your shoulders because someone chose to pay a certain amount for him that the fan base don’t agree with.

Quadruple that with bit part inclusions apart from cup games or do or die games against the elite.

He will come good, but this isn’t the season to jump in his back and analyse his every movement.

 

[Danetheblade]

admitally its hard to defend Brewster on recent performances, but no-one will will be harder on brewster than himself. he looks down & looks devoid of confidence. he is only 20 in his 1st full season of senior football. he's literally at the start of his career & we are expecting too much. in a team that has struggled to create in many games, i feel for him because he's a victim of the price tag,

because he isnt the 1 that tried to this either through budget or choice. on the cheap, salary wise. he was probably 3rd choice..so its obvious that we've had to go for potential & hope. as proven players wages are out of our budget. as ive said wilder wanted callum wilson but we couldnt compete on wages, couldnt even match what bournemouth was paying him. nevermind newcastle. so got someone at fraction of his wages. if anyone you name me a striker we couldve bought for less than £30 grand a week. your welcome because you struggle to get a top championship player with that wage budget

Brewster wasnt in top 10 of strikers i wouldve liked. but we needed a striker, & we need to just be patient. billy sharp didnt click til his 3rd spell, Mother Theresa had 2 poor seasons before banging in 29 in 3rd season. Tony Agana is Loved but he had a tough debut season. this is like lampard at Chelsea all over again that we got to show the hardest thing, patience. because we need to support him like we did mcgoldrick last season when he couldnt hit cows arse with a banjo

I tend to agree regards most other things said. However, expecting him to do the basics isn't expecting too much. That's expecting the minimum. He provides literally nothing, he doesn't press, doesn't make runs, doesn't try to get into goalscoring positions, doesn't try and win the ball back if lost, he never shows for the ball.

Long way to go yet, but I can't help feeling we've bought a very expensive Ben woodburn MK2.

 

[Flatcap]

In the first half, there was a moment where he was stood next to Bogle and it was JB who was making the darting runs to get into good attacking positions to receive the ball.

I'm sure a goal will do him wonders but where is that goal coming from if he's not getting into those positions?

Bogle up front for me next match and Baldock into RWB.

 

[CrookesBlade]

What I noticed about Brewster was Bogle was picking the ball up in all the positions I’d have expected to see Brewster.

I don’t know whether this was intentional but Brewster ended up playing on the defender’s shoulder and Mawson bullied him pretty easily.

Brewster looks like he’d have more joy receiving the ball deeper like Didz, laying it off and finding space to around the edge of the box.

Ultimately though the key difference between him and Bogle is Bogle plays without fear or inhibition. He pops up everywhere and if he makes a mistake he shrugs it off. Brewster looks like he needs telling what to do, where to stand etc. When he came off he looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Wilder has work to do both man managing him and accommodating him into the system but Brewster himself needs to be responsible for his own performance, toughen up a bit and be prepared to take risks.

As supporters we just need to lay off him. The worst has happened and we are down now effectively ,he’s not going anywhere. Support him (and the rest of the team) rather than just demand good performances and results.

 

[McGrath]

I think people have to be patient with Brewster and some of the younger players we've signed. Unfortunately it might take a year in the Championship for him and some others to get their confidence up and learn from making mistakes.

Brewster needs to learn his trade and he can only get that with game time and experience, he's not going to get that right now. He should look at Billy Sharp, who'd have thought 17 years after selling him to Scunny he'd be scoring in the Premier League for us.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I was tempted to put in Moose, he just hasnt been in the frame enough.. my thinking for the scapegoat criteria was the pinning of our team's flaws to a single player with consideration of external factors (Rammers' fee and comparing him to Deano, Berge and Brewsters fee, Lunny's contract, Mcburnie for being gangly, his fee, drink driving)...

I agree Burke and Norwood take a lot of stick... although a lot of it is on performances more than anything, I think most of the stick Burke gets is about his passing and shooting (unwarranted as he brings a lot more to the team) and Norwood can't keep possession... you could argue Rammers gets stick for his performances, but he has often been pinned as the biggest issue in the team despite doing OK, he is the GOAT of scapegoats... poor lad

To be fair, most people would be giving most, if not all of the players on your list some stick. So that goes against the definition of a scapegoat. It's just a list of players who haven't been good enough in a wretched season.

 

[SelbyBlade]

The worst example of Brewster last night was when Didzy was doing some great work down the left and then put a ball into to the box which Brizzle's 18 year old left back, on his todd, just cleared it. Brewster was almost over at the right wing instead of making his way into the box and jumping in front of the left back and getting a shot away. At that point I realised how far he needs to come to be a striker. He obviously isn't a natural striker, when it comes to positional sense.
Hopefully this is the sort of thing that Billy can mentor him with, if Brewster is willing to learn, he can pick up those skills.
As far as I'm concerned, CWAK see something in him and hopefully they can develop him. I was hoping that essentially a Championship match could give him the chance to start scoring, but not to be.
I hope he comes good as Billy will need a successor soon.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Brewster is a good player. There's no way he's got so lucky to command a £20M+ price tag without being good.

The poor lad has got job depression. Have you ever swapped jobs and realised you should have waited for something better or stayed where you were? It gets you down.

He's moved to a team who are poor for the level they're at. He's not getting any of the ball and when he goes to find it, he inevitably does something weak with it because underneath the stripes, his head and heart are not in it. He is clearly underperforming but his team mates aren't making it any better for him. His manager has been making it impossible to do better.

He's moved to a boring city during a pandemic where he can't even go out and chat lasses up. He's never going to go walking in the Peak District so he's stuck playing Xbox on his own after training.

Hope he gets a better move or the approach changes so he can start enjoying life a bit more.

Poor kid.

 

[alcoblade]

Take two 20 year olds and hire them for your business.

Tell one he’s shit and overpaid.

Tell the other there’s a future for him if he works for it.

Give them both time.

Brewster is finding his feet in a difficult system and with little to nothing to feed off most games.

Couple that with being dropped into an already finished relegation battle in a side struggling to get motivated.

Triple that with the weight of survival dropped on your shoulders because someone chose to pay a certain amount for him that the fan base don’t agree with.

Quadruple that with bit part inclusions apart from cup games or do or die games against the elite.

He will come good, but this isn’t the season to jump in his back and analyse his every movement.

There's a lot of truth in that. The lad is (or was) under enormous pressure. But it's also true that he was our record signing, not cheap by any standard, signed to plug the one glaring hole in our setup - our inability to score goals. Unfortunately he's failed, and it's the biggest contributing factor to our impending relegation.

When he negotiated the big contract, I doubt neither he or his agent were arguing that he wasn't ready yet, or needed time. With the huge salary comes huge pressure / expectation.

All of that is spilt milk - our biggest issue now is that it's not clear that we haven't bought a dud. There's zero promise been shown so far, unfortunately.

 

[alcoblade]

Brewster is a good player. There's no way he's got so lucky to command a £20M+ price tag without being good.

The poor lad has got job depression. Have you ever swapped jobs and realised you should have waited for something better or stayed where you were? It gets you down.

He's moved to a team who are poor for the level they're at. He's not getting any of the ball and when he goes to find it, he inevitably does something weak with it because underneath the stripes, his head and heart are not in it. He is clearly underperforming but his team mates aren't making it any better for him. His manager has been making it impossible to do better.

He's moved to a boring city during a pandemic where he can't even go out and chat lasses up. He's never going to go walking in the Peak District so he's stuck playing Xbox on his own after training.

Hope he gets a better move or the approach changes so he can start enjoying life a bit more.

Poor kid.

There's zero chance of him getting a better move. Right now, we're too good for him, not the other way round. As yet. he's shown nothing to suggest he's a good player.

Let's hope a division below suits him.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Brewster is a good player. There's no way he's got so lucky to command a £20M+ price tag without being good.

The poor lad has got job depression. Have you ever swapped jobs and realised you should have waited for something better or stayed where you were? It gets you down.

He's moved to a team who are poor for the level they're at. He's not getting any of the ball and when he goes to find it, he inevitably does something weak with it because underneath the stripes, his head and heart are not in it. He is clearly underperforming but his team mates aren't making it any better for him. His manager has been making it impossible to do better.

He's moved to a boring city during a pandemic where he can't even go out and chat lasses up. He's never going to go walking in the Peak District so he's stuck playing Xbox on his own after training.

Hope he gets a better move or the approach changes so he can start enjoying life a bit more.

Poor kid.

Poor kid ? Bored, he can sit in his hotel room counting his thousands of pounds hes getting for contributing sod all to his team.

 

[Gimli]

I saw a message on Twitter earlier (not a Blade) saying they watched our game and he looked like one of the worst strikers they had ever seen. That is hyberbole but another said he could not believe he cost 23 million and would not pay £230,000 grand for him.

Sadly, I read them and did not even get angry as you could see where they were coming from.

Even taking away the price, I have not sure I have seen any strikers make less of an impact at United. Think even James Wilson, Connor Sammon and Craig Beattie did more (he scored at least) albeit versus poorer defenders.

I am stunned how poor he has been and the excuses are wearing thin. Does he need a massive kick up the backside or an arm round him? I think even more worrying is he cannot even do the basics.

I really hope he improves but not even seen glimpses and can only go on what I have seen not youtube videos of him at Swansea.

Has anyone seen a player in there (for us) so far? I am struggling t find anything to hang my hat on, other than occasionally he can hit a hard shot once every 4 or 5 games but as a footballer he seems miles off. It's like a raw kid who has just been promoted out of the u18s and has no idea what to do.

I get it, he’s not been as good as we all hoped but come on DB, Craig Beattie did more?! James fucking Wilson did more?

He hasn’t scored, that doesn’t mean that the likes of Craig Beattie could be considered better/more effective players.

Brewster has potential, you ask the question can anyone see a player. I’ll answer, yes I can. From a technical point of view he’s very good, good touch, can dribble, good technique and a decent shot (‘oh but none of them have gone in so it can’t be that good’)

Although many have criticised his positioning yesterday, and yes it wasn’t the best, he does often get into good positions and sometimes the cross doesn’t come in or he fluffs his lines.

Its been a disappointing start for him and he will feel that more than we do as fans. He is not a bad player and nowhere near on the Conor Sammon/Craig Beattie scale.

 

[cooperblade]

He had two crosses on a plate v Plymouth and two more tonight. The one from Dizdy he just stood there and the one that went through his legs.

I saw you mention this in your report. Are you talking about the one that went past Sharp first? Wasn't it a yard behind Brewster? Haven't watched it back but I seem to remember thinking it looked bad in real time but then they showed a replay which showed he couldn't have got to it.

Could argue he could've timed his run better but if we're talking about the same incident, I thought there was literally nothing he could've done because the ball was played behind him.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Poor kid ? Bored, he can sit in his hotel room counting his thousands of pounds hes getting for contributing sod all to his team.

Yes, his happiness is will be entirely dependent on how much money he earns.

He's made a bad move but I suppose he wasn't to know that Wilder was going to turn from a lion to a kitten in the summer.

 

[cooperblade]

Hard to get a decent image but he's stood on the line and the ball is travelling behind him. Think he was probably anticipating Sharp getting something on it.

 

[Deadbat]

I saw you mention this in your report. Are you talking about the one that went past Sharp first? Wasn't it a yard behind Brewster? Haven't watched it back but I seem to remember thinking it looked bad in real time but then they showed a replay which showed he couldn't have got to it.

Could argue he could've timed his run better but if we're talking about the same incident, I thought there was literally nothing he could've done because the ball was played behind him.

Possibly but surely he has to anticipate both this chance and the other one better? He is just not on his toes at all.

 

[cooperblade]

Possibly but surely he has to anticipate both this chance and the other one better? He is just not on his toes at all.

Think there's definitely stuff he can do better, just not sure this was one of them. He'd have actually been better being on his heels in this instance as then he'd have been better positioned to react when Billy didn't make a connection.

Has he been disappointing? Yes, absolutely. Are there a long list of possible mitigating factors? I think so. Is it too early to write him off? Definitely.

 

[Deadbat]

I get it, he’s not been as good as we all hoped but come on DB, Craig Beattie did more?! James fucking Wilson did more?

He hasn’t scored, that doesn’t mean that the likes of Craig Beattie could be considered better/more effective players.

Brewster has potential, you ask the question can anyone see a player. I’ll answer, yes I can. From a technical point of view he’s very good, good touch, can dribble, good technique and a decent shot (‘oh but none of them have gone in so it can’t be that good’)

Although many have criticised his positioning yesterday, and yes it wasn’t the best, he does often get into good positions and sometimes the cross doesn’t come in or he fluffs his lines.

Its been a disappointing start for him and he will feel that more than we do as fans. He is not a bad player and nowhere near on the Conor Sammon/Craig Beattie scale.

It is not about goals for me - I am not that bothered in some ways as if he was contributing in other ways.

I have not seen anything to suggest he is technically very good at all. Maybe I am in a minority but not seen a good touch, much dribbling, technique at all?

As for the shot discussion, yes he can hit a ball but sadly I would say if none have gone in that is a worry - surely that is his job to get them in the goal as simplistic as it seems and not keep hitting a man - maybe he has been a bit unlucky but how many have actually got to the keeper/goal - one deflected v Newcastle and maybe one at West Brom.

I just do not see much in terms of raw ability - I am talking about with us not videos from Swansea as basing my opinion on what he has done for us as that is all that matters really.

The ball comes off him a fair bit, he does not hold it, makes poor runs and has no anticipation. There is a lot fundamentally wrong with his game and sadly not sure it is just confidence or the way he plays. Think even the coaching staff may be surprised that the natural ability and ability to just make things happen or pressure defences has just not been there.

As I say maybe I am being harsh but rarely have I seen much other than a few through balls and blasted shots where I think there is a real talent there. Think he looks very ordinary and struggled with the basics and that is being kind.

Hope he comes good but looks miles off at the moment in every aspect you need in a centre forward.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Well I think we have been patient with him. He has been picked to play when we all hope he can perform but he doesn’t he looks disinterested he does very little running off the ball he does not get into positions required to score goals. He does not close down he partly does it then backs away and to be honest it does not look as if he will start anytime soon. Billy Sharp shows something it’s called desire and Bogle posses this too he looks a better striker potential than Brewster. I think we screwed up we have had our pants down by Liverpool. When he has been picked to play against lower league teams he’s just the same. When he plays it’s like we have ten men on the pitch
My honest opinion is that next season he will be loaned out and if no championship teams take up the offer then maybe a league one team would be interested because let’s be honest at present and it does not look as if it will change he looks no more than a league one team player and the worrying thing is we paid £23.5 million for him

hope I’m wrong and I will take this all back

but I don’t think I will need to

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I see the moments that show there's a good player there, possibly a very good player if he is developed properly. Judging him in this season, in this team, in his circumstances is very difficult and the quick and absolute conclusions some people have come to are ridiculous.
The same goes for a lot of players. We have a team that isn't functioning properly, even now after we've picked up. Brewster looks like a rabbit in the headlights sometimes, but that's not because he's crap, it's because of the situation he - and the rest of the team - finds itself in.
Some of our players have a better response to the situation because of experience or maybe it's in their character. Sharp and McG are top of the list on this and why I think they should have been first on the team sheet from early on, but others will struggle. Brewster is clearly one of them, for some obvious reasons. I'm confident he'll come good, but needs some very targeted coaching at the moment.

 

[Farnboroughblade]

I watched the highlights last night and when I saw DCL playing, my feelings were nothing short of envy. Looked he could score each time he was within sight of goal. I know 4 separate Everton fans from different walks of life and these were their comments a few months after they signed him.
'You had our pants down with that fee'
'He will never make the grade, possibly good league one player in time '
I'd drive him back for nothing'
'He's our worst Everton signing in a decade'
Ironically, I recall reading and hearing some of our own supporters sharing the same type of views.
So what's his worth now? 60m, 80m, 100m from a top European club?

Now this reminds me of Brewster. The best thing CW can do his to take the pressure off him by keeping him on the bench with the odd cameo appearance as and when suited and for Rhian himself to keep off social media platforms such as this which will be destroying him and his confidence with what little he has left.. As mentioned earlier he has entered a baptism of fire joining our club this season , which is no fault of his own. He will come good and the last thing I want is to be looking at him in 4 or 5 years time playing for another club banging the goals in with the same amount of envy I had last night watching DCL.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Poor kid ? Bored, he can sit in his hotel room counting his thousands of pounds hes getting for contributing sod all to his team.

It’s not all about money

 

[The Crab]

It’s not all about money

Mental health doesn't discriminate between rich and poor

 

[Chingo]

Just seen a good post on fb , anyone remember Billy in his first spell in the first team under Robson and Blackwell ?

 

[Chabuddy G]

It is not about goals for me - I am not that bothered in some ways as if he was contributing in other ways.

I have not seen anything to suggest he is technically very good at all. Maybe I am in a minority but not seen a good touch, much dribbling, technique at all?

As for the shot discussion, yes he can hit a ball but sadly I would say if none have gone in that is a worry - surely that is his job to get them in the goal as simplistic as it seems and not keep hitting a man - maybe he has been a bit unlucky but how many have actually got to the keeper/goal - one deflected v Newcastle and maybe one at West Brom.

I just do not see much in terms of raw ability - I am talking about with us not videos from Swansea as basing my opinion on what he has done for us as that is all that matters really.

The ball comes off him a fair bit, he does not hold it, makes poor runs and has no anticipation. There is a lot fundamentally wrong with his game and sadly not sure it is just confidence or the way he plays. Think even the coaching staff may be surprised that the natural ability and ability to just make things happen or pressure defences has just not been there.

As I say maybe I am being harsh but rarely have I seen much other than a few through balls and blasted shots where I think there is a real talent there. Think he looks very ordinary and struggled with the basics and that is being kind.

Hope he comes good but looks miles off at the moment in every aspect you need in a centre forward.

He’s got a very good touch and dribble

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don't want to make excuses for him, because he's not been anywhere near good enough. But to put myself in his shoes, coming to a new city with new team mates and not even being able to go for a drink with them, must be a nightmare. I reckon you'd constantly feel like you've made the wrong decision at the wrong time. That must weigh on a 20 year old's mind. I remember working away from home at that age and if I couldn't have gone to the pub or the gym I'd have been struggling big time.

Us being crap the entire time obviously won't have helped either.

Having said all that you'd still expect to have seen something by now.

 

[Keen Blade]

Very good business by Klopp , taking advantage of the hype generated by a few goals for Swansea. We can't possibly have scouted Brewster properly + we bought in a panic.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

It’s not all about money

Sadly that's what it's all about that's the way the world rolls, The more bread you've got the less shit you eat.

 

[Deadbat]

I don't want to make excuses for him, because he's not been anywhere near good enough. But to put myself in his shoes, coming to a new city with new team mates and not even being able to go for a drink with them, must be a nightmare. I reckon you'd constantly feel like you've made the wrong decision at the wrong time. That must weigh on a 20 year old's mind. I remember working away from home at that age and if I couldn't have gone to the pub or the gym I'd have been struggling big time.

Us being crap the entire time obviously won't have helped either.

Having said all that you'd still expect to have seen something by now.

That is the thing for me- not even bothered about the goals as silly as that seems. Even can cope with poor touch or link play but I want to see him chasing, harrying, moving, even defending from the front. I barely see him in games.

I am not sure it is harsh to say we need to see a lot more effort and please do not give me the 'He is not that sort of player.'

Watch the best strikers, Vardy, Kane, Mane etc. The thing that always impresses me is the work rate first and the rest then comes after.

I just want to see him really busting a gut. Maybe watching on TV is deceptive but he needs to get in front of his man more of press or make things happen.