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Le Cynique said:
It seems you don’t get it either, so I’ll try to explain in terms that you might understand.

By investing in potential, we put the future of the club in jeopardy, because we need players for the here and now to help us remain in this division, or at least making a decent challenge to get back up next season. Teams like Chelsea and Man City can afford to invest in potential. Perhaps given a few seasons in the top flight, so could we. However, putting good money - and make no mistake, it was good money - into players for the future whilst ignoring the problems that we have in the present was utterly foolhardy, and the results and parlous situation we find ourselves in proves that. And if we go down, there’s a good chance that if our potential comes good, we’ll lose them to a bigger and better team anyway.

I’m not saying sign wastes of money like Wilshere, but we probably should have been a bit more short-term in our planning to achieve consolidation before plunging all our capital into players who just aren’t ready for this season. Obviously easy to say with hindsight, but you’d expect professional football managers to understand the issue and to have addressed it appropriately.
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Didn’t we get to the Premiership and up to 9th by taking on potential ?
 

Snowflake said:
Didn’t we get to the Premiership and up to 9th by taking on potential ?
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its quite simple really whilever we cannot pay premier league salaries for premier league quality players we cannot compete at this level we got away with it last season playing with momentum and a unique system that caught teams by suprise and roared on by a fantastic set of supporters now everybody is arguing with each other bit sad really utb fto
 
Our transfer strategy in the summer window was terrible. Not prioritising the midfield and failing to replace JOC (when the club knew he was struggling since lockdown 1.0) were the two main clangers. There were others, such as signing a bunch of championship lads, who were not top end championship lads.

It's obvious the first 11 needs help and a few weeks back CW was saying two will be coming in to go straight into the team. Now, it looks like nobody is coming in. This transfer window will be equally as rubbish, but for different reasons (signing nobody). Then again, signing nobody might still be a better window than the summer.

The transfer policy, approach and stategy needs a massive review and overhall. The club were naive if they thought the approach last summer was going to keep us up. Yes, we advanced way quicker than expected and, as we keep being told over and over, we dont have the money to compete with the other clubs. But I still think the funds that were there could have been used more wisely. Ramsdale, Lowe and Brewster are hardly looking like good deals at the moment.
 
ancientblade said:
both brewster and mcburnie dont look like the same players as when they were at swansea for me neither fits our system
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Our “system” is to sit back, allow teams time and space to do what they want, then to either hoof it forward or attack at walking pace allowing the opposition to get set. I don’t think any striker would fit our system.
 
Deano said:
Our “system” is to sit back, allow teams time and space to do what they want, then to either hoof it forward or attack at walking pace allowing the opposition to get set. I don’t think any striker would fit our system.
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Billy Sharp fits our system perfectly as we've seen over the last 5 years... Which is why the striker carousel keeps spinning round back to him. I'd argue our strongest combo would be Sharp and Burke with McGoldrick as a number 10. However, for that to work we need 2 big strong athletic midfielders which we simply don't have and a defence that can withstand a bit of pressure...
 
essyoueffsee said:
Our owners need to find some investment if we're to compete next season.
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We've got far too much for the Championship next season, especially when you add the 2 premier league loans to the squad. It's the season after when we come back up that we'll need to invest again.
 
BanderSerge said:
We've got far too much for the Championship next season, especially when you add the 2 premier league loans to the squad. It's the season after when we come back up that we'll need to invest again.
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Have you got tonight's lottery numbers too?
 
Toronto Blade fan said:
Owner is too busy buying other teams rather than investing in the teams he has.......
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That annoys me too. Enough money to buy other clubs but solving the clear gaps in the squads of the Blades and Beerschot? No sir, let them carry on losing. Also good transfers in PL probably start at 15 mio, good players for Belgian first division start at 1million but even that is not happening.
 
BanderSerge said:
We've got far too much for the Championship next season, especially when you add the 2 premier league loans to the squad. It's the season after when we come back up that we'll need to invest again.
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Premier League loans? Ampadu again?

He wouldn’t use 2 PL loans this season, for crying out loud.

How many points are we going to get? Enlighten me please.
 
Carlton Blade said:
We bid £3.5m (or whatever it was) for Swift, got knocked back, did nothing to try and influence the situation and then decided to sign some wing backs. Trotters Independent Trading style recruitment policy. How do you only have one target for midfield?
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Do you work in our recruitment team, or are your criticisms based purely on a few stories in The Star?

Yes it might seem odd we didn't sign a midfielder. Particularly after publicly being linked with Swift... But we don't know what really happened or was discussed. We may have tried to reach for high calibre players that all went elsewhere. We have no clue what actually happened.

Easy to criticise, harder to think critically.
 

brownblade said:
Do you work in our recruitment team, or are your criticisms based purely on a few stories in The Star?

Yes it might seem odd we didn't sign a midfielder. Particularly after publicly being linked with Swift... But we don't know what really happened or was discussed. We may have tried to reach for high calibre players that all went elsewhere. We have no clue what actually happened.

Easy to criticise, harder to think critically.
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Coulda woulda shoulda. We had a lot of money and we had time, and we did not sign any midfielder save Ampadu. And we found time to give Freeman away. And it’s been a disaster. I don’t need to know excuses because it’s inexcusable.
 
brownblade said:
Do you work in our recruitment team, or are your criticisms based purely on a few stories in The Star?

Yes it might seem odd we didn't sign a midfielder. Particularly after publicly being linked with Swift... But we don't know what really happened or was discussed. We may have tried to reach for high calibre players that all went elsewhere. We have no clue what actually happened.

Easy to criticise, harder to think critically.
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Not sure how to reply to that. We have no reliable squad midfield players. That's as deep as it needs to get
 
Espania blade said:
If you take a balanced view on Norwood - I can accept a bad day - what i can't accept is a bad attitude and that is what he showed yesterday, he should get his P45 this morning - not for his performance but for his attitude!
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Norwood with a bad attitude... Now I've heard it all.
 
Revolution said:
Coulda woulda shoulda. We had a lot of money and we had time, and we did not sign any midfielder save Ampadu. And we found time to give Freeman away. And it’s been a disaster. I don’t need to know excuses because it’s inexcusable.
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You don't need to know the actual facts to make your reasoned judgement? That's unfortunately very common these days...

Reassuring to see that you've made a strong negative opinion based on very little.
 
brownblade said:
You don't need to know the actual facts to make your reasoned judgement? That's unfortunately very common these days...

Reassuring to see that you've made a strong negative opinion based on very little.
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The point is that there can be no excuse for not buying one midfielder that could have helped us.

there may be excuses for not getting, say, Cash, but then you move on and look elsewhere.

We were 9th in the PL And were going to get a 2nd year of OL money having not spent too much in the first. To fail to bring in one quality midfielder in that situation- indeed, to put together the worst transfer window imaginable- is negligent.
 
Revolution said:
The point is that there can be no excuse for not buying one midfielder that could have helped us.

there may be excuses for not getting, say, Cash, but then you move on and look elsewhere.

We were 9th in the PL And were going to get a 2nd year of OL money having not spent too much in the first. To fail to bring in one quality midfielder in that situation- indeed, to put together the worst transfer window imaginable- is negligent.
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It’s only negligent if we failed to find anyone better than what we had.
If no one of quality was prepared to come then that is not negligent
 
Snowflake said:
It’s only negligent if we failed to find anyone better than what we had.
If no one of quality was prepared to come then that is not negligent
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If no one of quality was prepared to come that’s a sign we weren’t looking hard enough imho.
 
Revolution said:
The point is that there can be no excuse for not buying one midfielder that could have helped us.

there may be excuses for not getting, say, Cash, but then you move on and look elsewhere.

We were 9th in the PL And were going to get a 2nd year of OL money having not spent too much in the first. To fail to bring in one quality midfielder in that situation- indeed, to put together the worst transfer window imaginable- is negligent.
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It hasn't worked out well, in hindsight. It's not negligent.

I was happy with all the signings at the time. Not unhappy now, it's just unfortunate.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
I wouldn't have let Freeman go and/or Basham played there quite well previously.

What I certainly wouldn't have done is spunked c£40m on Brewster and Ramsdale whilst having Norwood and Berge as our only CMs and a disgruntled Lundstram as our only RCM.

That is where my angst lies.
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It's the size of the fees I'm uncomfortable with for what is essentially potential.

Rather than 40m, I think I'd have been happy with 2m on Etheridge who went from Cardiff to Birmingham in the summer and a one year loan deal from Troy Deeney.

Maybe that wasn't long term enough but you'd have a bit more comfort on performance levels and a good chunk of money still left.

We really failed to get that 'big' loan signing that would have been impactful. Ampadu was never that.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Billy Sharp fits our system perfectly as we've seen over the last 5 years... Which is why the striker carousel keeps spinning round back to him. I'd argue our strongest combo would be Sharp and Burke with McGoldrick as a number 10. However, for that to work we need 2 big strong athletic midfielders which we simply don't have and a defence that can withstand a bit of pressure...
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That's what I think too. Unfortunately I also agree with your last sentence!
 
Champagneblade said:
It's the size of the fees I'm uncomfortable with for what is essentially potential.

Rather than 40m, I think I'd have been happy with 2m on Etheridge who went from Cardiff to Birmingham in the summer and a one year loan deal from Troy Deeney.

Maybe that wasn't long term enough but you'd have a bit more comfort on performance levels and a good chunk of money still left.

We really failed to get that 'big' loan signing that would have been impactful. Ampadu was never that.
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In the summer I'd have agreed they might potentially work for us theoretically.

Both Etheridge and Deeney have struggled in the Championship at times this season. Deeney not even a regular and Etheridge has made much bigger mistakes than Ramsdale has.

There's no such thing as a guarantee in football.
 

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