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At least he has hit the nail on the head there.

no ability on the ball or quality to create something for the forwards. I’ll give him the fact that the players are under performing - I don’t know how you legislate for players who have been rewarded suddenly becoming unable to play football - but we haven’t used any resources on players who could provide that edge.

We must be the only club in England without any attacking midfielders or wingers or a proper number 10.

so unfortunately I’m not sure what the solution is. Ben Osborn is not suddenly going to take on 2 and pop one in the net.
 
yes a few are underperforming but but the majority cant compete at this level because their championship players fill the team with em and thats where you will end up oh and we will lose at burnley as well
 
Thought bringng norwood on was a bad choice.to me he as become a liability 2 unnecasary fouls in dangerous positions .gave the ball away.everton nearly scored from it .and that was just in the first 20 minutes .in midfield i would not trust either him or fleck
 
Dalelane01 said:
Thought bringng norwood on was a bad choice.to me he as become a liability 2 unnecasary fouls in dangerous positions .gave the ball away.everton nearly scored from it .and that was just in the first 20 minutes .in midfield i would not trust either him or fleck
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It seemed a bizarre sub to me. He did at least put in some dangerous balls, but as you say was a liability defensively. Not to mention not tracking the goalscorer.
 
Dalelane01 said:
Thought bringng norwood on was a bad choice.to me he as become a liability 2 unnecasary fouls in dangerous positions .gave the ball away.everton nearly scored from it .and that was just in the first 20 minutes .in midfield i would not trust either him or fleck
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Don't forget that he also lost his man for their winning goal.
 
ancientblade said:
yes a few are underperforming but but the majority cant compete at this level because their championship players fill the team with em and thats where you will end up oh and we will lose at burnley as well
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Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.
 
Stretch said:
Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.
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Norwood certainly has. He’s awful. Same with Fleck.
 
Stretch said:
Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.
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I agree . Blade in Leeds mentions something I pointed out some time ago which is that we are the only team in the country which turns out a side with only 2 natural attacking players week in and week out .

We are also the only team in the country without a single win and with the fewest number of goals . It would take a lot to persuade me that these things are totally unrelated .
 
Bladeinleeds said:
We must be the only club in England without any attacking midfielders or wingers or a proper number 10.
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Which considering we have had 3 transfer windows as a premiership club raises another question....

We have 6 forwards but no no10
4 keepers but no wingers

Fact is we are a one trick pony, now when that works, and it did for the first 4 years it’s fine
But loose a couple of players, get sussed out a bit and the squad is so imbalanced we can’t change

Move out 2 strikers, 1 keeper, 1 midfielder and get Jags to go onto a coaches wage

Then bring in 2 quality players who can influence a game

Villa have Barkley and Watkins, yes big bucks, but had we burst the bank to get them in would we be sat here with 2 points?
 
steve26272 said:
Which considering we have had 3 transfer windows as a premiership club raises another question....

We have 6 forwards but no no10
4 keepers but no wingers

Fact is we are a one trick pony, now when that works, and it did for the first 4 years it’s fine
But loose a couple of players, get sussed out a bit and the squad is so imbalanced we can’t change

Move out 2 strikers, 1 keeper, 1 midfielder and get Jags to go onto a coaches wage

Then bring in 2 quality players who can influence a game

Villa have Barkley and Watkins, yes big bucks, but had we burst the bank to get them in would we be sat here with 2 points?
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agree - but it’s about the collective group.

Watkins might have had a couple of goals by now if we had signed him but he wouldn’t be doing much of anything without proper service. He would be nothing like as effective as he is at villa.

Our issue imo this summer was spending the money on ramsdale. He’s been ok - but for ok we could have got any number of keepers on loan or paid half the money we have spent on him for the same output. We’ve also spent a load on bogle and not played him.

that means the money we have spent on Brewster has also not generated anything. We should have loaned a keeper, spent a chunk of money on a creative, technically sound midfielder to give us some creativity and get something out of the strikers we had. That would give Brewster, mcburnie etc etc some service. To my mind we wouldn’t have been sat on 2 points.

It’s really wasn’t difficult seeing what we lacked in the summer - was why I was astonished we didn’t look to the middle of the park.
 

Stretch said:
Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.
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Whilst we don't have bad players, we have very few who, individually, are top-flight players. Out of the current squad Egan, JoC and Berge are our only 3 players who would likely get into the starting line up of most of the bottom half of this league. Without disrespect, most of the rest are championship and prior pedigree / career histories at proof of that.

For the last few years we have been much better than the sum of its parts, squad cohesion, the dreaded S word (system!) all made us fantastic.

For whatever reason (no fans / lost momentum / squad cohesion / confidence / stale tactics etc) this season we haven't.
 
Stretch said:
Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.
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Isaw Joeshaw said:
I agree . Blade in Leeds mentions something I pointed out some time ago which is that we are the only team in the country which turns out a side with only 2 natural attacking players week in and week out .

We are also the only team in the country without a single win and with the fewest number of goals . It would take a lot to persuade me that these things are totally unrelated .
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Agree with both of these comments. Even if this group of players had played above themselves last season due to momentum etc and then reverted back this season, they should still be doing better than they are. I strongly believe most Championship teams would make a better fist of it than we are at the moment. They have lost their confidence to play football.

And the thing about lack of attacking intent is spot on. That's what makes it so awful to watch. That's not just down to players being in over their heads--it's down to management.
 
The players are fine, the 9th best in the country 5 months ago. Now blaming the same players that he bought, he trained, he coached and he picked is billy bigbollox management. He is the common point that has not responded sufficiently to the opposition tactics - so change the system or get a coach in who can change it.
 
The drop in our midfielders form is mainly because we don't use them, in virtually every game the ball goes up and over their heads with the long ball punt to McBurnie. There only action is mainly on the defensive side, trying to stop the opposition. Only way forward in the Premier league is to play football which is why we got relegated with Warnock and Basset, we played a lot of football last year bringing it out from the back and we were half decent at it. Fleck is a quality player, he will come good for any team that plays football. Thought Wilder was different but he is proving not to be, same desperate tactics as his predecessor Premier league failures.
 
JonnyD said:
Whilst we don't have bad players, we have very few who, individually, are top-flight players. Out of the current squad Egan, JoC and Berge are our only 3 players who would likely get into the starting line up of most of the bottom half of this league. Without disrespect, most of the rest are championship and prior pedigree / career histories at proof of that.

For the last few years we have been much better than the sum of its parts, squad cohesion, the dreaded S word (system!) all made us fantastic.

For whatever reason (no fans / lost momentum / squad cohesion / confidence / stale tactics etc) this season we haven't.
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your right those 3 are probably our only genuine premier league players and thats the issue you cant survive in this league with a team full of championship players
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
I agree . Blade in Leeds mentions something I pointed out some time ago which is that we are the only team in the country which turns out a side with only 2 natural attacking players week in and week out .

We are also the only team in the country without a single win and with the fewest number of goals . It would take a lot to persuade me that these things are totally unrelated .
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Are you really calling it two when we have #McBurnie one of them as a fixture when fit?
And Burke has a goalscoring record worse than even that lazy donkey although he does actually look a threat.
And Brewster is chalking up the appearances without goals either.
Has even Mousset scored goals this calendar year?
"NATURAL" attacking players?
 
MiserableBlader said:
Are you really calling it two when we have #McBurnie one of them as a fixture when fit?
And Burke has a goalscoring record worse than even that lazy donkey although he does actually look a threat.
And Brewster is chalking up the appearances without goals either.
Has even Mousset scored goals this calendar year?
"NATURAL" attacking players?
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Ok then , if we’re being brutally honest , no natural attacking players but I’m sure you get my point .
 
Wilder got it spot on after the Leicester game last season when he said these players are championship and league one players although I don't like him doing it in public. He knew it then but as a club we did nothing at all in the summer to rectify it the only player with genuine Premier League experience is Jagielka, Basham played a few Prem games years ago but otherwise no one who has been there and done it and can still do it not a fucking one.
You knew we were struggling when we retained Jags, Rodwell Bryan and gave 33 yr old Sharp a two year deal FFS Jags is 38 a good 5 year past his prime if not more. Yet we spend £23m on a kid who has played half a season in the Championship and by the way it looks like we have been sold a sick puppy. We could have gone out and bought the kid from Peterborough who is banging goals in for Brentford for a lot less money £5m + add on's, already scored more Championship goals than Brewster did in 22 games last season. Same with the two from Derby only one looks decent and Wilder never plays him. It's all well and good Chris moaning at the players but he brought them to the club, he picks the team and the tactics when is he going to take a long hard look in the mirror? Our recent scouting/recruitment looks like it has been done through Youtube clips or maybe it goes deeper and we are only picking up our 3rd choice players.
 
DannyRotten said:
So tactics aren't to blame at all then?
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No they aren't.
He played the team 99% of us wanted at the weekend.

I will go back to this again... players like Fleck, Enda, Norwood are letting him down. We know they can do it, they've already stepped up (hence Chris not replacing them) the fact they've played like cunts all season is nobody's fault but their own.
 
BigDon said:
The drop in our midfielders form is mainly because we don't use them, in virtually every game the ball goes up and over their heads with the long ball punt to McBurnie. There only action is mainly on the defensive side, trying to stop the opposition. Only way forward in the Premier league is to play football which is why we got relegated with Warnock and Basset, we played a lot of football last year bringing it out from the back and we were half decent at it. Fleck is a quality player, he will come good for any team that plays football. Thought Wilder was different but he is proving not to be, same desperate tactics as his predecessor Premier league failures.
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With lunny. Fleck .and norwood im not surprised we go over midfield .bash looks moe dangerous in midfield than those 3 put together.noticed we ran at there defence late on instead of tippy tappying it sidewards or backwards .thats where we are lacking someone who can carry the ball without losing it as those 3 mentioned do
 
From the pig end said:
No they aren't.
He played the team 99% of us wanted at the weekend.

I will go back to this again... players like Fleck, Enda, Norwood are letting him down. We know they can do it, they've already stepped up (hence Chris not replacing them) the fact they've played like cunts all season is nobody's fault but their own.
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Of course the tactics are to blame (along with Wilder’s abysmal signings). We sit back every game, hoping beyond hope that we won’t concede and that somehow we will nick a goal at the other end. I can’t remember the last time Wilder proactively tried to win a game.

It’s the same boring, pedestrian, negative tactics every game. Not only are we useless, we are terrible to watch too.
 
From the pig end said:
No they aren't.
He played the team 99% of us wanted at the weekend.

I will go back to this again... players like Fleck, Enda, Norwood are letting him down. We know they can do it, they've already stepped up (hence Chris not replacing them) the fact they've played like cunts all season is nobody's fault but their own.
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And you think the manager takes no responsibility for their underperformance? Ok...
 

HillmortonBlade said:
And you think the manager takes no responsibility for their underperformance? Ok...
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No.
How so? He's not playing anyone out of position or asking them to do anything out of the ordinary.
 
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