Wilder's Reaction

[HillmortonBlade]

No.
How so? He's not playing anyone out of position or asking them to do anything out of the ordinary.

Think his role is a little more than a fifa Manager job

 

[steve26272]

No.
How so? He's not playing anyone out of position or asking them to do anything out of the ordinary.

Did he take any plaudits last year when they were playing well??

Just about all those players CW either bought or suggested they should be offered a new contract

He has all week to create a formation that can trouble the opposition at both ends

He sets the tone in the dressing room and creates the psychological space for the players to operate in

All the above he was championed for last year

All the above he has to take responsibility for this year

 

[FTPE]

Did he take any plaudits last year when they were playing well??

Just about all those players CW either bought or suggested they should be offered a new contract

He has all week to create a formation that can trouble the opposition at both ends

He sets the tone in the dressing room and creates the psychological space for the players to operate in

All the above he was championed for last year

All the above he has to take responsibility for this year

He is taking responsibility, there's only his job on the line.

You want him to buy the player, keep him happy, motivate him, stop him making basic mistakes, keep him confident, make sure his missus doesn't get in his ear about contracts and not playing etc.

Its impossible.
Pick a player, try to make sure he has a good attitude in the first place (which Chris seems to do) then performance wise its down to the player to do enough to get or keep his place imo.

 

[Snowflake]

Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.

It is highlighted by the way high balls are dealt with.
A player with confidence brings the ball down on his chest and then plays it to a team mate. Our players just head it back to the opposition.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Which considering we have had 3 transfer windows as a premiership club raises another question....

We have 6 forwards but no no10
4 keepers but no wingers

Fact is we are a one trick pony, now when that works, and it did for the first 4 years it’s fine
But loose a couple of players, get sussed out a bit and the squad is so imbalanced we can’t change

Move out 2 strikers, 1 keeper, 1 midfielder and get Jags to go onto a coaches wage

Then bring in 2 quality players who can influence a game

Villa have Barkley and Watkins, yes big bucks, but had we burst the bank to get them in would we be sat here with 2 points?

I think you are forgetting one thing with Villa regards Watkins, Jack Grealish, while we have Red Lions midfield.
Put Grealish in our side and Brewster would have his first Premiership Goal.

 

[BushBlade]

I think you are forgetting one thing with Villa regards Watkins, Jack Grealish, while we have Red Lions midfield.
Put Grealish in our side and Brewster would have his first Premiership Goal.

Why would Barkley and Watkins join us over Villa, even if we’d matched their wages? Watkins has played for Smith before, Terry has the Chelsea connection and Villa are a bigger club with a bigger stadium and have actually won things in my lifetime, including the European Cup.

 

[ancientblade]

Why would Barkley and Watkins join us over Villa, even if we’d matched their wages? Watkins has played for Smith before, Terry has the Chelsea connection and Villa are a bigger club with a bigger stadium and have actually won things in my lifetime, including the European Cup.

we will never be able to sign players like these we simply cannot afford premier league salaries and think that is what chris has been hinting at in post match interviews in last 4 games lets be honest we got lucky last season no injuries a system that totally baffled the rest of the premier league and all our players on top of their games but basically we just havent got the quality of players to compete at this level on a regular basis

 

[BobblesBlade]

It is highlighted by the way high balls are dealt with.
A player with confidence brings the ball down on his chest and then plays it to a team mate. Our players just head it back to the opposition.

Yeah look at Fleck for this. He’s lost all control and cost us a match.

 

[BobblesBlade]

I think you are forgetting one thing with Villa regards Watkins, Jack Grealish, while we have Red Lions midfield.
Put Grealish in our side and Brewster would have his first Premiership Goal.

It astounds me we spend £23million on a striker and he didn’t put him in from the off.

 

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[Bert]

Wilder never gets properly questioned by journalists, especially the local ones.

The slightest hint of criticism and he turns all Kenny Dalglish. He's always right and anyone else that thinks differently is an idiot.

Now Bert is a Wilder fan but it's getting very difficult to continue to support him.

 

[steve26272]

You want him to buy the player, keep him happy, motivate him, stop him making basic mistakes, keep him confident, make sure his missus doesn't get in his ear about contracts and not playing etc.

Errr, yeah.
That’s exactly what I want a manager to do

 

[FTPE]

Errr, yeah.
That’s exactly what I want a manager to do

Well yeah, I'd want one to do that as well, but its impossible.
They aren't robots surely they have a reposibility to deal with his own off field bollocks.


How anyone expects Wilder to deal with Flecks abysmal passing and his complaining wife is beyond me.

 

[Bladesman]

Wilder never gets properly questioned by journalists, especially the local ones.

The slightest hint of criticism and he turns all Kenny Dalglish. He's always right and anyone else that thinks differently is an idiot.

Now Bert is a Wilder fan but it's getting very difficult to continue to support him.

Yeah, he gets super defensive when he gets a question on tactics, subs etc.

 

[Freethinker]

Yeah, he gets super defensive when he gets a question on tactics, subs etc.

Yeah especially there's nothing wrong with the shape

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

It seemed a bizarre sub to me. He did at least put in some dangerous balls, but as you say was a liability defensively. Not to mention not tracking the goalscorer.

And we sacrificed Goldy to bring him on

 

[S64 Blade]

It seemed a bizarre sub to me. He did at least put in some dangerous balls, but as you say was a liability defensively. Not to mention not tracking the goalscorer.

He put a dangerous ball in for Everton too, with that bizarre pass into our own box.

It really saddens me how far some of the players have fallen over the past 6/9 months.

 

[Bladesman]

Yeah especially there's nothing wrong with the shape

He was a bit like that before we hit this poor run of form. Obviously the Mike McCarthy question from a few seasons ago is prime example.

 

[Freethinker]

He was a bit like that before we hit this poor run of form. Obviously the Mike McCarthy question from a few seasons ago is prime example.

He always seems to get it in at some point as though he knows everyone is asking for a change

 

[TJ blade]

Why would Barkley and Watkins join us over Villa, even if we’d matched their wages? Watkins has played for Smith before, Terry has the Chelsea connection and Villa are a bigger club with a bigger stadium and have actually won things in my lifetime, including the European Cup.

So true, like Wilder says were an underdog club, little old Sheffield United we know our place in the pecking order.

 

[BushBlade]

So true, like Wilder says were an underdog club, little old Sheffield United we know our place in the pecking order.

Obviously you don’t or you wouldn’t post snidey bollocks like that.

 

[FMBlade1]

Yeah, he gets super defensive when he gets a question on tactics, subs etc.

He's very insecure and comes across as pretty unlikeable at the moment.

I'm sure the players aren't exactly fond of him at the moment, or have much confidence with him.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Wilder never gets properly questioned by journalists, especially the local ones.

The slightest hint of criticism and he turns all Kenny Dalglish. He's always right and anyone else that thinks differently is an idiot.

Now Bert is a Wilder fan but it's getting very difficult to continue to support him.

Summarises my position too Bert. Maybe I’ve worked with a few too many with similar mannerisms, but he strikes me recently as someone that won’t be told. By anyone, about anything.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

He was a bit like that before we hit this poor run of form. Obviously the Mike McCarthy question from a few seasons ago is prime example.

The whole Mike McCathy debacle wasn’t a good look for Wilder in my view. He came across a bit like a petulant child, and forgot that interviews with local outlets should be about addressing the fans, rather than beefing with the interviewer.

 

[alcoblade]

Not buying that, sorry. Most of this lot competed quite magnificently last season, and before you say that we edged a lot of tight games, we also had some comfortable victories.

Somet else is up. Whether it's down to empty stadiums, a complete collapse in confidence, or some kind of fall out between players, players and coaching staff..whatever.

But they haven't suddenly become bad players.

They haven’t suddenly become bad players - but they were always good championship players and nothing more.

Last season was the fluke, not this. We got the absolute maximum out of the squad, based on momentum, vocal support, consistency and lack of injuries, all the players being on top form.

A number of those components are now missing. We no longer play as fluently, and rely on fewer good chances. Our forwards are definitely sub standard at this level, so we don’t win tight games. As a result of a bad run, confidence has now gone, making us even worse.

If we had premiership standard players we could cope with bad form, bad luck, injuries. But we don’t, and we can’t.

It was always likely to happen eventually. We needed to bring in quality. It’s here where we’ve failed. The pay constraints mean we’ve fished in too small a pool. And we’ve picked badly (or at least really expensively) from that pool.

 

[steve26272]

Well yeah, I'd want one to do that as well, but its impossible.
They aren't robots surely they have a reposibility to deal with his own off field bollocks.


How anyone expects Wilder to deal with Flecks abysmal passing and his complaining wife is beyond me.

Get your point mate to be fair, I do

However my frustration is that for 4 years he did all the above!

He brought in the players, trained them, motivated them, kept them all happy and if any off field bollox happened he dealt with it (Duffy)

He now seems to be the opposite

Last year we all loved Fleck and Norwood
This year they aren’t as effective and fans are calling them out for it - rightly so
Why should CW be treat any differently?

As for his own off field issues, as a manager myself when I walk into work I leave behind my troubles as my job is to ‘manage’
And I don’t earn in excess of half a million
Neither will I get a multi million pound payoff if I get sacked for been on 10% of target almost half way through the year

I just think it’s the life cycle of a top manager now, burn out in themselves and the impact on the players wears off

Sadly I think it’s gone a bit too far now, but he will always be the legend that did the unthinkable, and for that he should always be applauded

 

[Nah den]

Summarises my position too Bert. Maybe I’ve worked with a few too many with similar mannerisms, but he strikes me recently as someone that won’t be told. By anyone, about anything.

I'd agree with this too. Like Bert, I've been a Wilder advocate all along. My only previous comment on his position was my assertion that whilst ever he retained the support of the dressing room he shouldn't be replaced. Clearly I'm not privy to what goes on inside the dressing room but I don't think blaming the players publicly will strengthen the bond that is required in our situation.

I think the recent interviews show a lack of humility. That said, I can only imagine how hard it is facing the world's media when you're accountable for this terrible run. Would do strange things to most people i reckon.

 

[FTPE]

Get your point mate to be fair, I do

However my frustration is that for 4 years he did all the above!

He brought in the players, trained them, motivated them, kept them all happy and if any off field bollox happened he dealt with it (Duffy)

He now seems to be the opposite

Last year we all loved Fleck and Norwood
This year they aren’t as effective and fans are calling them out for it - rightly so
Why should CW be treat any differently?

As for his own off field issues, as a manager myself when I walk into work I leave behind my troubles as my job is to ‘manage’
And I don’t earn in excess of half a million
Neither will I get a multi million pound payoff if I get sacked for been on 10% of target almost half way through the year

I just think it’s the life cycle of a top manager now, burn out in themselves and the impact on the players wears off

Sadly I think it’s gone a bit too far now, but he will always be the legend that did the unthinkable, and for that he should always be applauded

Buying misfits and (as Egan calls them) journeymen was one of Wilders secret weapons.
Yes, a lot them didn't come off but as Chris says he can't afford elite, finished articles. He needs to gamble on players like Ravel and Rodwell.

When they do come off though you're left with a hungry, underpaid, undervalued player with high aspirations and a point to prove. I don't need to list the ones that fall into that category.

As you move up the legues, will a bollocking and a beer work? Does Sander and Brewster want to dig in?
I'm probably making more of a case for Wilder going rather than staying here, but my point is.. the old guard should be the reliable ones.

We would probably have more time and patience with the new signings if the core of the players that came up with us hadn't fell off a cliff.

I get your point also, he is paid to manage. I hear Chris is more of a manager than a coach at times too but if I down tools at work or make simple mistakes at work, yes my manager will support me at first to help me get back up to speed, but after a while it will be me that loses their job and not my gaffer.

Its impossible really to compare football to real life, because its a different world but what people are expecting from Wilder is unrealistic.
If Greenwood plays up, Ole can afford to drop him, if Dier plays like a twat, Jose will haul him off.
We don't have the squad for A) injuries and suspensions B) egos and mardy players.

 

[247Blade]

At least he has hit the nail on the head there.

no ability on the ball or quality to create something for the forwards. I’ll give him the fact that the players are under performing - I don’t know how you legislate for players who have been rewarded suddenly becoming unable to play football - but we haven’t used any resources on players who could provide that edge.

We must be the only club in England without any attacking midfielders or wingers or a proper number 10.

so unfortunately I’m not sure what the solution is. Ben Osborn is not suddenly going to take on 2 and pop one in the net.

Again .... one trick pony!

 

[steve26272]

Buying misfits and (as Egan calls them) journeymen was one of Wilders secret weapons.
Yes, a lot them didn't come off but as Chris says he can't afford elite, finished articles. He needs to gamble on players like Ravel and Rodwell.

When they do come off though you're left with a hungry, underpaid, undervalued player with high aspirations and a point to prove. I don't need to list the ones that fall into that category.

As you move up the legues, will a bollocking and a beer work? Does Sander and Brewster want to dig in?
I'm probably making more of a case for Wilder going rather than staying here, but my point is.. the old guard should be the reliable ones.

We would probably have more time and patience with the new signings if the core of the players that came up with us hadn't fell off a cliff.

I get your point also, he is paid to manage. I hear Chris is more of a manager than a coach at times too but if I down tools at work or make simple mistakes at work, yes my manager will support me at first to help me get back up to speed, but after a while it will be me that loses their job and not my gaffer.

Its impossible really to compare football to real life, because its a different world but what people are expecting from Wilder is unrealistic.
If Greenwood plays up, Ole can afford to drop him, if Dier plays like a twat, Jose will haul him off.
We don't have the squad for A) injuries and suspensions B) egos and mardy players.

Agreed, the lads from Derby are a gamble, we’ve done to derby what Spurs did to us with Kyles - let’s hope we develop one of them into the next Walker

You can see the likes of Baldock and Bash feel the pain, whereas Brewster is probably already plotting his next move!

I honestly don’t get how we have gone from so good to so bad?!

Playing like this will see us in a relegation battle next season, even against lesser opposition in the championship