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[sitwell]

With respect that's your opinion I have mine and I ain't gonna ram it down your throat why do you think you are correct and I am not you're just quoting what the government and bbc have told you there is a lot more information out there if you look hard enough have a good day if that's possible

You think the BBC have an influence on whether I want to have a vaccine ?

 

[Freethinker]

Mel Rees, as he was undergoing treatment for Cancer would have been very susceptible to infection passed to him by others. He very likely had a compromised immune system. His chances of survival would have been improved by basic health procedures of others like cleanliness, distancing, herd immunity by vaccination against diseases prevalent at the time.
Mel Rees RIP

I understand that phil but surely he could be protected without compromising millions of other people's beliefs there has to be compromise one size doesn't fit all

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Why is having influence any gauge on credibility? Trump has lots of influence, do you think all that he says is credible?

My point was about this post:

"No, I mean ignorant and selfish people who think they know better than educated and experienced scientists when it comes to epidemiology and medicine.

You stick to your conspiracy theories and poorly-constructed and researched ideas about what’s happening in the world, because they make you feel clever and important and special, and I’ll take my advice from professionals who know what they’re talking about."

The first line makes out everyone with a certain level of scientific knowledge agrees with him. Im intrigued as to how he actually chooses the scientist he believes. What qualification is enough? Id argue that a professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford is more qualified in this field than him and probably anyone in SAGE.

Second part of his post is just trying to belittle anyone who doesn't share his views again. How is he so positive he knows whats correct?

I'm not talking about credibility. I'm talking about being able to use that credibility to influence. These experts need to put themselves into a position of influence don't they?

 

[Freethinker]

You think the BBC have an influence on whether I want to have a vaccine ?

Yes I do

 

[Ted Danson]

Yep fuck the infirm ,elderly and vulnerable ,as long as the selfish millions are safe. Personally I find anyone who wont have the vaccine incredibly selfish and I hope they enjoy the isolation they deserve to get. Many thousands have been on trials ,many millions have been spent all over the world to develop and vaccine that will hopefully get life back to normal. The only reason other vaccines and medicines take longer is down to funding and volunteers for trials ,but you guys know best. Its not just people dying of Covid its people dying of other illnesses that have become a victim of Covid ,whether its due to hospital and medical personnel shortages or the shittyness of life as it is.
So you go and shove your principles and selfishness up your arses ,I will be happy on my next plane trip that you are not.

no capitals either if thats what gets you off.

Do you think everyone should have the flu vaccine too?

 

[Ted Danson]

I'm not talking about credibility. I'm talking about being able to use that credibility to influence. These experts need to put themselves into a position of influence don't they?

No, not atall, hes an expert in science, why should that have any correlation to wanting power / influence?

He wants to teach and progress science

 

[themaninblack]

Yes I do

I think if Mel Rees was going through his cancer treatment today he would be rather keen on us all having the vaccination.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I understand that phil but surely he could be protected without compromising millions of other people's beliefs there has to be compromise one size doesn't fit all

I've set it out there for you Mate. You handle as melreesrip To have a better chance of survival, the real Mel Rees, the real vulnerable, would have had to be protected from infectious diseases. Mass vaccination does that. You'd want to help your handle namesake wouldn't you?
Mel Rees RIP

 

[Freethinker]

I think if Mel Rees was going through his cancer treatment today he would be rather keen on us all having the vaccination.

How do you know mel's views on anything

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

No, not atall, hes an expert in science, why should that have any correlation to wanting power / influence?

He wants to teach and progress science

And I salute him endlessly. As I salute his colleagues who have both expertise & influence.

 

[Freethinker]

I've set it out there for you Mate. You handle as melreesrip To have a better chance of survival, the real Mel Rees, the real vulnerable, would have had to be protected from infectious diseases. Mass vaccination does that. You'd want to help your handle namesake wouldn't you?
Mel Rees RIP

Still disagree not vaccination for all nothing to do with handle

 

[Maidenhead]

Immortal?

Invisible (to me) as definitely not "God only wise"

 

[Bert]

The more people who refuse to have the vaccine, the higher up in the queue the rest of us will be for our vaccinations.
That's a win in Bert's book.

 

[Ted Danson]

And I salute him endlessly. As I salute his colleagues who have both expertise & influence.

I just dont get your linking to expertise and influence, do you think the teachers on the PTA are better than the ones who arent because they have more influence?

You could also argue that being professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford is a very influential position when it comes to influencing the progression of evidence based medicine and the new wave of scientist who are going to create new medicine..

 

[knowsnowt]

I strongly believe that those of us who won't be shamed into having the vaccine should voluntarily wear some form of visible id to distinguish us and make us avoidable. Maybe a star pinned to a lapel, or something similar.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I just dont get your linking to expertise and influence, do you think the teachers on the PTA are better than the ones who arent because they have more influence?

You could also argue that being professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford is a very influential position when it comes to influencing the progression of evidence based medicine and the new wave of scientist who are going to create new medicine..

Mate I'm not talking about "better". This Professor of what not sounds like a blinding man/woman. I love Professors. Got one in my family. I'm talking about influence. The most successful people in most walks of life combine expertise & the ability to influence others with that expertise. In that way, their expertise is brought to bear in a wider field and makes a real difference. There's nothing controversial in that surely.

 

[Ted Danson]

Mate I'm not talking about "better". This Professor of what not sounds like a blinding man/woman. I love Professors. Got one in my family. I'm talking about influence. The most successful people in most walks of life combine expertise & the ability to influence others with that expertise. In that way, their expertise is brought to bear in a wider field and makes a real difference. There's nothing controversial in that surely.

No, not controversial at all but in this case what are you classing as influence? Just a connection to the government to help guide political decision? Id argue as a scientist influencing the progression of his field he has a bigger influence than being able to talk to Borris. Surely he would be spending less time doing his science stuff if he was wasting it on political gains and so be less qualified.

Also, in general life up until this virus he was influencing more people than the SAGE comity as they had no virus to discuss whereas he was being active in his field. So in summary he is a very influential person

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

No, not controversial at all but in this case what are you classing as influence? Just a connection to the government to help guide political decision? Id argue as a scientist influencing the progression of his field he has a bigger influence than being able to talk to Borris. Surely he would be spending less time doing his science stuff if he was wasting it on political gains and so be less qualified.

Also, in general life up until this virus he was influencing more people than the SAGE comity as they had no virus to discuss whereas he was being active in his field. So in summary he is a very influential person

Happy to concede that. Look forward to his views being reflected in wider discussion on Lockdowns, Mass Vaccination, Public Health Policy, etc. That's the reach...

 

[Le Cynique]

Sorry for typing in all caps; it was because the poster had just ignored what had previously been said about why vaccination of the masses is important to protect those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.

This is clearly an emotive subject and people are so entrenched in their views that debate isn't going to solve anything and will just lead to argument, so I'll leave it to those who want to do so.

UTB as ever!

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

The point is if you have the vaccine you're allegedly safe so why force it on people who don't want it

Which is the point I made. On the other hand, some organisations might legitimately want to attach conditions to people who use their services, and some travel might be limited for those without proof of vaccination. Those of us old enough to remember the horrors of polio and other childhood diseases tend to conclude that vaccinations have improved our lives. Nothing is 100% certain in life, but the track record of clean drinking water and vaccines is pretty good so far.

 

[Ted Danson]

Happy to concede that. Look forward to his views being reflected in wider discussion on Lockdowns, Mass Vaccination, Public Health Policy, etc. That's the reach...

His views are being reflected in the wider discussion already. The problem is the majority aren't seeing the wider discussion, they're seeing the headlines on MSM and taking it as gospel without questioning it. Even worse they are then belittling anyone who does question it. There is an OFCOM ruling for them not to air views that agree with his or question the government lead narrative so it will be hard for him to get through to the masses.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

His views are being reflected in the wider discussion already. The problem is the majority aren't seeing the wider discussion, they're seeing the headlines on MSM and taking it as gospel without questioning it. Even worse they are then belittling anyone who does question it. There is an OFCOM ruling for them not to air views that agree with his or question the government lead narrative so it will be hard for him to get through to the masses.

Maybe he lacks influence. Repeat to fade......

 

[torridon]

Anyone who lived through the Adrian Heath era will surely be familiar with a few thousand in attendance.

Apart from the Port Vale game when 95000 were in attendance apparently.

 

[Freethinker]

Which is the point I made. On the other hand, some organisations might legitimately want to attach conditions to people who use their services, and some travel might be limited for those without proof of vaccination. Those of us old enough to remember the horrors of polio and other childhood diseases tend to conclude that vaccinations have improved our lives. Nothing is 100% certain in life, but the track record of clean drinking water and vaccines is pretty good so far.

Don't disagree mate it's about choice not mandatory

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Haha.
I won't be having any vaccine till its a record of not making people grow extra legs etc, which I'll take as proven around the 5 year mark.. All my kids have been vaccinated during their upbringing as I was, so I'm wondering if I'm antivax or not?

You sound well-balanced. And your balance would be even better if you opted for a couple of the extra legs...

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Don't disagree mate it's about choice not mandatory

And like all choices, they have consequences. Good information in order to make choices is vital. Deliberate misinformation is an an absolute menace at the moment (that is a general observation, not aimed at you or anyone on here).

 

[Freethinker]

And like all choices, they have consequences. Good information in order to make choices is vital. Deliberate misinformation is an an absolute menace at the moment (that is a general observation, not aimed at you or anyone on here).

What misinformation? Information not going with the flow you mean

 

[Houston_Blade]

Based on the brexit vote if Boris just arranges for pro-Vaccination messages to be posted on the side of buses or on the front of the tabloids the older generation will happily consent!

 

[Ridgeway Blade]

I have had every vaccination I have been able to have through my life and thankful for it. Some really bad diseases are now coming back because more people are anti-vaccine. My most recent vaccine, apart from flu, was a a shingles jab. Unfortunately, I suffered from the illness before I was entitled to the jab at 70 and it was awful, especially the pain from neuralgia after the rash had cleared up. At 71, I am not going to wait years to get a Covid jab because every year I wait the more my immune system will weaken and I become more vulnerable. The sheer effort put in by all countries to try and get a vaccine in my view should be applauded. All the vaccines have been tested over large samples of people and I'd rather rely on that than live the nexct few years trying to avoid everyone. The virus will not be going away.
I can't wait to get back to BL.

 

[sitwell]

I have had every vaccination I have been able to have through my life and thankful for it. Some really bad diseases are now coming back because more people are anti-vaccine. My most recent vaccine, apart from flu, was a a shingles jab. Unfortunately, I suffered from the illness before I was entitled to the jab at 70 and it was awful, especially the pain from neuralgia after the rash had cleared up. At 71, I am not going to wait years to get a Covid jab because every year I wait the more my immune system will weaken and I become more vulnerable. The sheer effort put in by all countries to try and get a vaccine in my view should be applauded. All the vaccines have been tested over large samples of people and I'd rather rely on that than live the nexct few years trying to avoid everyone. The virus will not be going away.
I can't wait to get back to BL.

My parents are 77 and have both been part of the Oxford Vaccine trials ,as have quite a few friends who mainly work in the medical profession ,which is my I get so pissed off at people who say they wont have it because its not tested. Only my opinion but they I think they are incredibly selfish ,usually the same people who are moaning about lockdowns, tier systems ,masks ,in fact everything.