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albinonick said:
Yes i agree, his command in the midfield, running off the ball and his attacking is terrible. Pity England staff, blades staff seem to rate him, cus on here the real people who know about him and his ability know he is shite!!
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I dont expect him to do an outfield players job but I would like him to be half competent at his own job. As far as England goes, it's a very small pond they are fishing in for goalkeepers at under 23 level, so that means nothing to me.
I dont think Ramsdale is very good at the goalkeeping basics and will cost us more points than he will gain us, you may not agree but the outfield argument is confusing and makes no sense.
 
norfolkblade said:
He has to move his feet more, that’s the thing that is standing out the most for me at the moment. With the first goal I’m absolutely convinced he’d have got to it with a stronger trigger movement. The second he needs to bulldoze the lot out the way but Lowe also needs to do much better in shielding Chilwell out the way. The third, not really his fault but I question his decision making a bit there trying to punch the ball while going through McBurnie. Last goal, no chance.
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I don't think you could blame him for the first. The ball was fired into the turf and then bounced over Basham's head.
 
Rochdaleblade said:
I don't think you could blame him for the first. The ball was fired into the turf and then bounced over Basham's head.
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I’m not blaming him for the first per se but I do think his footwork is his biggest technical issue at the moment and I stand by what I say in that I think he could have got there with better foot movement on his trigger.
 
norfolkblade said:
I’m not blaming him for the first per se but I do think his footwork is his biggest technical issue at the moment and I stand by what I say in that I think he could have got there with better foot movement on his trigger.
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Fair enough, but I still feel that Ramsdale is the least of our problems. The number of crosses going across our box with no-one getting a head on them is shocking. Personally I would play the three best defenders at cb, irrespective of their attacking intent. LCB is becoming a liability whoever plays there.
 
SuperBobbyHatton said:
I dont expect him to do an outfield players job but I would like him to be half competent at his own job. As far as England goes, it's a very small pond they are fishing in for goalkeepers at under 23 level, so that means nothing to me.
I dont think Ramsdale is very good at the goalkeeping basics and will cost us more points than he will gain us, you may not agree but the outfield argument is confusing and makes no sense.
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Possibly if the outfield players performed as they did last year he would have the same cover as the great Hendo had! if the midfield held onto the ball instead of giving it away then the defence would have the same cover as last season, or is that TOO difficult for you to grasp.
If we attack down the wings and make first time crosses instead ofstopping and passing backward we may make chances to score, and give our forwards a chance to score.
THEN AS THE GREAT HENDO DID RAMSDALE COULD LEAN ON THE POST FOR MOST OF THE GAME.That was the point i was making
 
I've defended Ramsdale so far this season but to me that second goal today was atrocious. He has to command his six-yard box. Anything in there you take the lot. Could be forgiven for being indecisive in 18-yard box (ie further out).
He's a blade and you can tell it's hurting him. De Gea had a terrible - much worse than Ramsdale's - run of form last season. I wouldn't drop him, but we can't afford to keep gifting goals like this.

As for his goal kicks.. it's not his strong point, but I don't blame him entirely for our poor distribution out from the back. Where is our strategy? Playing long every time becomes predictable. We have good footballers in midfield who should, on occasion, be able to receive the ball in tight spaces from the keeper. Need to mix it up a bit.
 
albinonick said:
Possibly if the outfield players performed as they did last year he would have the same cover as the great Hendo had! if the midfield held onto the ball instead of giving it away then the defence would have the same cover as last season, or is that TOO difficult for you to grasp.
If we attack down the wings and make first time crosses instead ofstopping and passing backward we may make chances to score, and give our forwards a chance to score.
THEN AS THE GREAT HENDO DID RAMSDALE COULD LEAN ON THE POST FOR MOST OF THE GAME.That was the point i was making
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I didnt mention Henderson at all, I'm judging Ramsdale on his performance. Which in the main was poor and of a low standard compared to 95% of the keepers in the premiership. You getting wound up at me and questioning my understanding because your argument is poor doesnt seem fair either?
There would be no point comparing him to Henderson, that would not be fair on Ramsdale because he doesnt have the ability of Henderson and is at a lower level, it would be like comparing a Porsche with a go kart.
I do think it's not his fault that he has to follow Henderson and that we paid way too much for a lad who is nowhere near the level needed to earn us some points. You can believe hes a good goalkeeper in the face of recent performances but i believe he is generally not outstanding in any area of goalkeeping and was poor today. In my opinion we overpaid because hes a blade and English and for some reason that means he's automatically a lot better than the facts suggest.
If he comes good and starts helping us get some points, I will admit I'm wrong but at the moment hes a long way to go.
 
Anybody forgetting the save he made at 0-0

It's not the keeper.... Its the quality, and they don't have 30,000 cunts on thier back making them nervous...thats a factor.. Accept it..

Ramsdale isn't the problem.. The world's best footballers that are under fuck all pressure are the problem..
 
Tezza1889 said:
Anybody forgetting the save he made at 0-0

It's not the keeper.... Its the quality, and they don't have 30,000 cunts on thier back making them nervous...thats a factor.. Accept it..

Ramsdale isn't the problem.. The world's best footballers that are under fuck all pressure are the problem..
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You're totally right, he made a save when it was 0-0 so we can just ignore the fact he's been poor all season.
 
JackGreg said:
What about the first? Maybe if he didn't dive like his feet are tied together he'd have saved it. Not the first time this season he's let in soft goals he would have saved if he moved his feet before diving.
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Not seen the replays properly, but it was shinned into the ground... I thought if he'd got a true connection he'd have been a lot closer to it.
 



Not his best game by any stretch but defending is worse imo Egan and Basham only ones with credibility Stevens has seriously declined
 
I'm no Ramsdale hater but was there nobody at the 72 clubs in the football leagues below of a similar standard that we couldn't have pickes up for less than £18m and in lower wages? There must be some good/great keepers at that level surely?
 
Dan Emery said:
I'm no Ramsdale hater but was there nobody at the 72 clubs in the football leagues below of a similar standard that we couldn't have pickes up for less than £18m and in lower wages? There must be some good/great keepers at that level surely?
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George Long? Just teasing. Plus maybe one of the others already on our pay roll?
 
Unfortunately Ramsdale has come in to replace a great act, both as a keeper and a character...but who was also prone to mistakes Liverpool, Arsenal in the cup.. but too many times he’s looked uncomfortable.. that second goal.... should be taking ball and both men..
 
He cannot catch a ball, just fists or palms it all the time, they shoot wide he knocks it out for a corner.
 
I have been taken aback by how poor Ramsdale has looked. He lacks athleticism, is hesitant and seems to struggle to catch the bloody ball. Hopefully it’s just a loss of form/confidence and he will come good but these are goalkeeping basics. It doesn’t help that the players in front of him have generally been crap of course.

I said at the time we would have been better going for Foster at Watford (getting on but still generally rock solid) and spending the £20m elsewhere.
 
As an ex-goalkeeper (an old traditional one I admit), there is an aspect of today’s goalkeeping that is a serious issue in how goalkeepers now perform.

i have observed two dynamics that would never be tolerated in previous coaching curriculums:

a) goalkeepers today do not command the 18 yard box but more specifically the 6 yard box and.

b) there are way too many shots that beat goalkeepers either at the near post or across the body.

As good we we thought Henderson was, he showed these traits.

In my view, Ramsdale is not a premier league goalkeeper because of the lack of skills, decision making, control, and fundamental goalkeeping skills in this crucial area of goalkeeping.

In today’s game, it’s more important for goalkeepers to have foot skills to react to the awful growing trend of passing back to the keeper even from the attacking half of the field.

This is one of the key reasons we will continue to ship in goals...

United pass back to Ramsdale far too many times and it slows up the forward momentum... this is a key part of our game we have to change to survive this season.. plus Ramsdale had to command his 18 yard box...

toledo
 
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toledo said:
As an ex-goalkeeper (an old traditional one I admit), there is an aspect of today’s goalkeeping that is a serious issue in how goalkeepers now perform.

i have observed two dynamics that would never be tolerated in previous coaching curriculums:

a) goalkeepers today do not command the 18 yard box but more specifically the 6 yard box and.

b) there are way too many shots that beat goalkeepers either at the near post or across the body.

As good we we thought Henderson was, he showed these traits.

In my view, Ramsdale is not a premier league goalkeeper because of the lack of skills, decision making, control, and fundamental goalkeeping skills in the crucial area of goalkeeping.

In today’s game, it’s more important for goalkeepers to have foot skills to react to the awful growing trend of passing back to the keeper even from the attacking half of the field.

This is one of the key reasons we will continue to ship in goals...

United pass back to Ramsdale far too many times and it’s slows up the forward momentum... this is a key part of our game we hav to change to survive this season.. plus Ramsdale had to command his 18 yard box...

toledo
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I think you've hit the nail on there head there. Twenty years ago goalkeepers used to command their areas and catch the ball. Then we had the influence of the what the commentators call 'foreign keepers' who tended to punch the ball more often than our British counterparts.

There developed the traits of keepers punching the ball more often, whether this was how keepers are trained or the changes in the ball meaning more movement when it's in the air. But you hardly ever see any goalkeepers catching the ball now. With all the protection from refs they get when being challenged you'd think they'd attempt to catch the ball more often.

Now it seems keepers barely command their 6 yard box, preferring to stay on the line. It seems as if emphasis is placed on footwork rather than the fundementals of goalkeeping.

The first two goals were unfortunate to concede, a scuffed shot into the ground, which may or may not have been going in, and the second one bounced in off Chilwell's arse, on another day we could have been going into half time 1-0 up.

Confidence is clearly an issue and you could visibly see the players heads drop when Abraham equalized. We just need a bit of luck, a shot to bobble in and to get that first win.
 
Dan Emery said:
I'm no Ramsdale hater but was there nobody at the 72 clubs in the football leagues below of a similar standard that we couldn't have pickes up for less than £18m and in lower wages? There must be some good/great keepers at that level surely?
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Martinez?
 
He’s looked good considering the shambles infront of him as far as I’m concerned.
 



Chabuddy G said:
He’s looked good considering the shambles infront of him as far as I’m concerned.
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Exactly ! Did people actually clock Stevens and lowes performances ? Henderson, shilton and lev yashin in goal together wouldn't keep a clean sheet for us at the moment .
If it hadn't been for ramsdale last week, city would have scored 4 or 5
 
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