Crowds back from October

[raimond]

Do you sit in silence and hold your breath all game?

I used to when Rob Kozluk was playing, yes.

 

[essexblade73]

What makes it even funnier like it or not, he knows more than you

Bozo knows fck all about much apart from impregnating women and running away from them. His master Demonic Cumface is the real PM, bozo is just a thick puppet who is programmed to talk posh bollox in order to con the sun reader type into thinking he's clever.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The main question is how long do you wait and whether we are damaging ourselves more by living the way we are now

Covid affects people with underlying problems far more than those without. I'm not saying it should be a personal choice to go out, but we can see who is at risk more than others.

What's also concerning is the mental health of people which hasn't been touched on nearly as much as I would like it to have been. I can say with near certainty that I've had covid. I can't prove it without a test. I know I've I've suffered mentally, though. And that is longer lasting than the effects of Covid.

 

[essexblade73]

What makes it even funnier like it or not, he knows more than you

He hasnt even read his own govt's winter coronavirus report, probs cos it wasnt in the format of crayoned pictures https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...stion-report-winter-deaths-pmqs-a4499071.html

 

[Rodley]

The molecules of CV have a downwards trajectory and fall forwards, to the ground. Vape stream rises and disperses.
The only person that could be at risk is the one directly in front of you, and even then the molecules will be hitting their back and not near the eyes, nose or mouth. Wearing a mask would also go some way to preventing that.

I’ll pay £2,000 for ST on the back row of The Kop, any takers?

Joking aside, it’s the singing which is the issue. So South Stand and BLUT absolutely fine (sorry Ricky), but Kop would be higher level of dispersal. Crazy stuff.

 

[ATL Recs]

I’ll pay £2,000 for ST on the back row of The Kop, any takers?

Joking aside, it’s the singing which is the issue. So South Stand and BLUT absolutely fine (sorry Ricky), but Kop would be higher level of dispersal. Crazy stuff.

The molecules of CV have a downwards trajectory and fall forwards, to the ground. Vape stream rises and disperses.
The only person that could be at risk is the one directly in front of you, and even then the molecules will be hitting their back and not near the eyes, nose or mouth. Wearing a mask would also go some way to preventing that.

The WHO are now saying the molecules of COVID do travel further in the air not to a straight down trajectory

 

[XM657]

Boris is hoping for the Vaccine...remember he knows more than us

That's a big statement, remember he's a politician.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I’ll pay £2,000 for ST on the back row of The Kop, any takers?

Joking aside, it’s the singing which is the issue. So South Stand and BLUT absolutely fine (sorry Ricky), but Kop would be higher level of dispersal. Crazy stuff.

But, the kop is where all us young stud muffins go, and it affects us less. The SS, which is predominantly 80yrs+ has to be more careful

 

[DifferentClass]

Do you sit in silence and hold your breath all game?

Yes because I'm constantly sat near silent but violents!

 

[Rodley]

But, the kop is where all us young stud muffins go, and it affects us less. The SS, which is predominantly 80yrs+ has to be more careful

jesus, I didn’t think about the age weighting. Is the queue for a HT piss on the SS as slow as I imagine?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Brilliant post. I'd like this a thousand times if I could.

You're correct in saying you cannot cure a virus. The common cold being the major example. We've been exposed to the cold for years and years. It doesn't hurt us. I suspect this will be the same in years to come.

I wouldn’t wish to trivialise the impact of this terrible coronavirus. It’s deadly to a very small minority of the population, more deadly than what we’ve known before with influenza.

But are we right to put life on hold and create a situation where normal life is disrupted to a point where lives of people are ruined forever? Where lives are destroyed due to a fear of something that is unlikely to happen to 99% of the population?

That’s my gripe with it.

Educate people on the risks.

Protect those at most risk.

But allow life to go on, otherwise we all suffer from far worse consequences.

 

[XM657]

Cheers .. that’s the big question. How many of us have had it without knowing ? Will they sort a reliable antibodies test ? If so, will they be able to prove conclusively we wouldn’t contract it again? Imo as important as a vaccine.

All of what you say will take time, which means patience. Unfortunately there are those who have none. They are the danger of reigniting repetitive waves.
Know it ain't easy, if I was twenty or more years younger I would be straining at the leash to get back to work, bills etc. I have every sympathy with all who are now working, it has to be very hard but with ingenuity and hard work you will, be it slowly, get back to normality. Good Luck to you ALL.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

All of what you say will take time, which means patience. Unfortunately there are those who have none. They are the danger of reigniting repetitive waves.
Know it ain't easy, if I was twenty or more years younger I would be straining at the leash to get back to work, bills etc. I have every sympathy with all who are now working, it has to be very hard but with ingenuity and hard work you will, be it slowly, get back to normality. Good Luck to you ALL.

Well said mate - although that last line made it sound like you are leaving us! I hope not!

 

[XM657]

Well said mate - although that last line made it sound like you are leaving us! I hope not!

Nha!!!!! Got mi boots dubbined and ready to go when Enda needs a rest.
Just for all the workers, unprecedented times. Life ain't easy, just as easy as you make it.

 

[Sheffsteel]

People are still dying, and new cases reported everyday...think the government should be very careful in allowing too much to open up

People are always dying every day of the year.....the death rate is now very similar to pre Covid 19 virus.

The police have never worn masks or practice social distancing and not a single death in the UK. Why?
Several weeks ago, there were 10,000’s marching on the streets not practicing social distancing or wearing masks and there been no spike. Why?

Logic proved that this virus is either not that contagious
or loads of people have already caught it with no symtons...so it’s not that dangerous to over 95% of the population.

People highlight that over 30,000 have died of this desease but there is over 60,000,000 living in England
and the vast majority of the deceased were over 70 and may well have died if they caught the common cold.
Ive been really shocked by the exaggerated scare mongering, control and how easy it’s been to manipulate the general population.

 

[jt64]

Over 30,000 have died of this desease but there is over 60,000,000 living in England
and the vast majority of the deceased were over 70 and may well have died if they caught the common cold.

30,000 is also coincidentally the number of deaths we should have seen here in the last two years due to flu, but didn't due to mild seasons. Everywhere in Europe, there's a direct link between "covid" deaths and previous lack of flu deaths. "Covid" can't kill people who are already dead. Think about that if you're shitting yourself about a "second wave"

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’ll give an example of the crazy, bizarre over reacting nature of many humans.

Several weeks ago It was reported that a school boy had died of covid 19.
The reaction and feeling is that many parents STILL don’t want their child to go to school....they are understandably worried.
However in the UK 2 (yes, TWO) school kids have died on this virus....where as last year 33 school kids were killed by cars with over 1,500 suffering serious injuries

but you don’t receive the same paranoia about cars. No parents ever suggest that cars are killers and need banning off our streets.

 

[Nickydblade]

I agree with those who think we should be taking a more rational and 'positive' attitude going forward.

The glass half full opinions (or more 'concerned', 'cautious', 'fearful' or 'hysterical' opinions, depending perhaps on your own) were confidently predicting no football until at least 2021 on this forum and elsewhere. Thankfully, I'm sure we can all agree, this pessimism (or concern etc.) was misplaced.

There is a similar pessimism now for some. This is understandable given the mainstream coverage. However, in the 'glass half full' spirit here are two recent links to experts who paint a more positive picture. Both are interviews on the 'Unherd' channel which has been a beacon of rationality, balanced opinions and depth on this issue over the last few months. Cheer up folks, it might never happen :



And from yesterday:

 

[William]

The molecules of CV have a downwards trajectory and fall forwards, to the ground. Vape stream rises and disperses.
The only person that could be at risk is the one directly in front of you, and even then the molecules will be hitting their back and not near the eyes, nose or mouth. Wearing a mask would also go some way to preventing that.

If the guy that screams at full pelt in my ear for 60 minutes every Saturday had COVID, I would 100% get it, as would everyone else within 5 seats of me.

 

[cjx blade]

Are you Alan Knill?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I see the cricket is one of the trials coming up. 1000 people in a 20000 capacity ground.


The loyalty points war will have a higher death toll than covid itself.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I wouldn’t wish to trivialise the impact of this terrible coronavirus. It’s deadly to a very small minority of the population, more deadly than what we’ve known before with influenza.

But are we right to put life on hold and create a situation where normal life is disrupted to a point where lives of people are ruined forever? Where lives are destroyed due to a fear of something that is unlikely to happen to 99% of the population?

That’s my gripe with it.

Educate people on the risks.

Protect those at most risk.

But allow life to go on, otherwise we all suffer from far worse consequences.

Article in on bbc other week, saying 250-500k deaths long term due to lockdown from missed treatments, nhs backlog etc etc.
I'm not saying lockdown was wrong but it is one snap way of dealing with it.
We could have put massive resources to protecting the vulnerable / shielding.
What's done is done.

 

[bromtom]

Article in on bbc other week, saying 250-500k deaths long term due to lockdown from missed treatments, nhs backlog etc etc.
I'm not saying lockdown was wrong but it is one snap way of dealing with it.
We could have put massive resources to protecting the vulnerable / shielding.
What's done is done.

Close schools, work from home where possible, furlough high risk business (shops, hair dressers etc, lot of contact in closed spaces), masks mandatory - get that done mid to late February and who knows how it could've gone. We'd have got to meeting in parks etc a lot sooner I think, and a lot less community transmission.

Even just masks would've helped but they went for the selfish view of protecting yourself, for which they're mostly useless. If you have it though, it reduces the chance of you spreading it massively.

Wouldn't have gone down well though because we unfortunately have a country full of cretins. Honestly, not sure how far away we are from people refusing chemotherapy because they've just spent £80 on a new hairdo. Idiots at the Hawthorns are trying to get a local lockdown I think.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Article in on bbc other week, saying 250-500k deaths long term due to lockdown from missed treatments, nhs backlog etc etc.
I'm not saying lockdown was wrong but it is one snap way of dealing with it.
We could have put massive resources to protecting the vulnerable / shielding.
What's done is done.

I'd not seen those figures, but there was an estimated figure of 35,000 deaths due to cancer treatment being missed, this year. Then there's all the other diseases on top, so it doesn't surprise me.

Lockdown wasn't wrong, but it was late. And the reason why we had lockdown was because we didn't have enough capacity in the NHS to deal with the outbreak. That's the prime reason. Lockdown does not stop the spread of a virus - it slows it down. I'm not sure everyone has understood that point? The only thing that will stop the spread is if we have enough people who've got immunity to it. And that means having an effective (and safe) vaccine that is given to the vast majority of the population, or, having a population where the majority of them have caught it and developed immunity to it.

Have they put that Panorama programme out yet about this? If they have I must have missed it but would be interested to watch it on catch-up. I read something about it the other day. The government are now trying to say that "herd immunity" was never part of the strategy, but it clearly was. They don't want to admit to that now because it's clear that allowing herd immunity to develop would have had a devastating effect on large numbers of vulnerable people in the community and broke the NHS. However those same people are probably still going to die from this if they catch it, but the lockdown means those deaths will be spread out over a longer period of time.

I feel I'm living through a nightmare here. I remember a discussion on here before lockdown which was about the need for lockdown. I said then that we have to be extremely careful about the social and economic impacts of this. Once you start making major changes to the way people work, socialise, travel, spend their leisure time, etc., it has very deep and long lasting implications. I posted stuff about the interference of the state in our lives, saying it's something that none of us have ever experienced before to the extent that we are going to experience. I've posted stuff challenging the "health v economy" arguments, my argument being that you can't have health if you don't have economy. I've warned that if people don't get back to work we will see outbreaks of civil unrest. And right at the start of lockdown I posted about adapting to a "new normal" and how things will never quite be the same again.

I'm not a prophet - but these things to me are absolutely plainly obvious and we are still nowhere near being over the virus. Where we are now is at a point where if we don't start resuming some degree of normality, lives will be ruined to a far greater extent by the social and economic dangers, and all the other diseases that have been neglected as a result of all the focus being on this little bit of RNA. I said that too!

Obviously the government officials don't read this website! (Or maybe they do, but they don't read my posts because they are too long-winded!)

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Close schools, work from home where possible, furlough high risk business (shops, hair dressers etc, lot of contact in closed spaces), masks mandatory - get that done mid to late February and who knows how it could've gone. We'd have got to meeting in parks etc a lot sooner I think, and a lot less community transmission.

Even just masks would've helped but they went for the selfish view of protecting yourself, for which they're mostly useless. If you have it though, it reduces the chance of you spreading it massively.

Wouldn't have gone down well though because we unfortunately have a country full of cretins. Honestly, not sure how far away we are from people refusing chemotherapy because they've just spent £80 on a new hairdo. Idiots at the Hawthorns are trying to get a local lockdown I think.

I'd not seen those figures, but there was an estimated figure of 35,000 deaths due to cancer treatment being missed, this year. Then there's all the other diseases on top, so it doesn't surprise me.

Lockdown wasn't wrong, but it was late. And the reason why we had lockdown was because we didn't have enough capacity in the NHS to deal with the outbreak. That's the prime reason. Lockdown does not stop the spread of a virus - it slows it down. I'm not sure everyone has understood that point? The only thing that will stop the spread is if we have enough people who've got immunity to it. And that means having an effective (and safe) vaccine that is given to the vast majority of the population, or, having a population where the majority of them have caught it and developed immunity to it.

Have they put that Panorama programme out yet about this? If they have I must have missed it but would be interested to watch it on catch-up. I read something about it the other day. The government are now trying to say that "herd immunity" was never part of the strategy, but it clearly was. They don't want to admit to that now because it's clear that allowing herd immunity to develop would have had a devastating effect on large numbers of vulnerable people in the community and broke the NHS. However those same people are probably still going to die from this if they catch it, but the lockdown means those deaths will be spread out over a longer period of time.

I feel I'm living through a nightmare here. I remember a discussion on here before lockdown which was about the need for lockdown. I said then that we have to be extremely careful about the social and economic impacts of this. Once you start making major changes to the way people work, socialise, travel, spend their leisure time, etc., it has very deep and long lasting implications. I posted stuff about the interference of the state in our lives, saying it's something that none of us have ever experienced before to the extent that we are going to experience. I've posted stuff challenging the "health v economy" arguments, my argument being that you can't have health if you don't have economy. I've warned that if people don't get back to work we will see outbreaks of civil unrest. And right at the start of lockdown I posted about adapting to a "new normal" and how things will never quite be the same again.

I'm not a prophet - but these things to me are absolutely plainly obvious and we are still nowhere near being over the virus. Where we are now is at a point where if we don't start resuming some degree of normality, lives will be ruined to a far greater extent by the social and economic dangers, and all the other diseases that have been neglected as a result of all the focus being on this little bit of RNA. I said that too!

Obviously the government officials don't read this website! (Or maybe they do, but they don't read my posts because they are too long-winded!)

I suppose to some degree we are in hindsight land.
At the beginning people would not social distance, so those sensible steps weren't adhered to. After months of lockdown most people will.
I'm not convinced on the total effect on deaths. Have loads of extra people died massively prematurely, or has the deaths of the very culnerable come forward weeks or a couple of months? Not that that's nice either.
We could end up in a situation where we have to live with CV long term. The vaccine may only be annually effective for example. Flattenong the curve or natural immunity may be all get.
Anyway, this is Crowds in October . So shouldn't divert too much!
I think that will be determined how badly we suffer as restrictions are eased. Fingers crossed.

 

[Gimli]

I wouldn’t wish to trivialise the impact of this terrible coronavirus. It’s deadly to a very small minority of the population, more deadly than what we’ve known before with influenza.

But are we right to put life on hold and create a situation where normal life is disrupted to a point where lives of people are ruined forever? Where lives are destroyed due to a fear of something that is unlikely to happen to 99% of the population?

That’s my gripe with it.

Educate people on the risks.

Protect those at most risk.

But allow life to go on, otherwise we all suffer from far worse consequences.

Think there was always going to be a balance between protecting those at greater risk and trying to keep society/economy/everyday life functioning as close to normal as possible.

There was definitely a debate before lockdown where concerns were raised that we might go too far down the ‘protect’ route (I think you were probably one of them).

Now we have to ask the question has lockdown done more harm than good? Possibly.

I think you’re right, we have to start to move on from this.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Think there was always going to be a balance between protecting those at greater risk and trying to keep society/economy/everyday life functioning as close to normal as possible.

There was definitely a debate before lockdown where concerns were raised that we might go too far down the ‘protect’ route (I think you were probably one of them).

Now we have to ask the question has lockdown done more harm than good? Possibly.

I think you’re right, we have to start to move on from this.

I think we should have locked down earlier, but that's easy to say with hindsight I suppose. We eventually locked down to stop the NHS being overwhelmed when it became apparent it was going to be.

We're doing things back to front as far as I can see. We have to wear masks in shops from tomorrow now. Then from next Thursday, we've all got to start walking backwards until we get to February.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Being reported in a coupme of the papers today that 25% capacity will be used. 8k fans at BDTBL so I assume no away fans will be allowed.

If this is the case I assume there will be no season tickets sold and fans will be allocated tickets using the loyalty point system and the club will have to allocate where you sit to ensure social distancing whilst at the same time letting you sit with your family/friends hub. Fans may have a preferred choice of behind one of the goals or at the side. Ticket office allocate the seats and post out. The corporate areas will be sold out i would have thought.

Hopefully the club will look at system where all registered fans can get to a game. Maybe matches go on sale in groups of three and you can buy a ticket for one of those three games using the points system to prioritise. Once you have booked a ticket in that batch if 3, you have to wait for the next batch of 3 to go on sale. This would give all 'members' a chance to go to at least six games next season

Fine by me. The only thing I would ask is that when we're allowed full capacity again, we can all have the same seats as we've had with our season tickets. There'll be plenty of people not prepared to go even with reduced capacity so every body that wants to go should be able to go.

It's going to be a ball-ache to organise and there ain't half gonna be some moaning

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

They are questions we all would like the answer to. Especially contract it again. I think we will as it’s a virus that will probably mutate as time goes on

It's already mutating. Bloody clever virus this one.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Covid affects people with underlying problems far more than those without. I'm not saying it should be a personal choice to go out, but we can see who is at risk more than others.

What's also concerning is the mental health of people which hasn't been touched on nearly as much as I would like it to have been. I can say with near certainty that I've had covid. I can't prove it without a test. I know I've I've suffered mentally, though. And that is longer lasting than the effects of Covid.

Same here Ainsley Harriott

I had a persistent dry cough, sore throat and a couple days of chills back in February I think it was. It was before we really understood what the symptoms were. I'd been to Palace and used the train down and train/tube to and from so if I caught it there, it wouldn't surprise me. It was, unknowingly I think, on a rapid rise in London then.

Wish I'd got a test

Regarding your valid point about mental health, I've struggled, I admit.
My wife works from the office as her colleagues either work out on the their archaeological digs or from home doing their reports and seldom visit the office to pick up equipment, even now.

As a shielded person I've been able to nothing. I've come through it though. There will be some who have really struggled, though and maybe suffered in silence