No vaccine=no crowds?

[Rollerball]

Apart from the fact that 35 to 45k die each year and a ‘live shot’ of the virus in vaccines is given are both incorrect, your post is more or less factually correct.

The ONS might disagree with you , and in fact the vaccine is live and in 2 versions, the injected one is less "live" then the nasel version. Other than that your reply is more or less factually correct.

 

[Nonamedhorse]

The ONS might disagree with you , and in fact the vaccine is live and in 2 versions, the injected one is less "live" then the nasel version. Other than that your reply is more or less factually correct.

Do you actually know where the ONS website is, or did someone on Facebook tell you that’s what the ONS said? I suggest you go and read it, it might surprise you. As for vaccines, the vast majority are killed virus or inactivated virus ie, they are not ‘live’.

 

[Rollerball]

Prey tell oh oracle why would they inject a "dead" virus, as in order for your immune system to recognise it, attack it and kill it (can't kill a dead virus) to learn and build its immunity it first has to find a virus to kill. As for the ONS, someone had to spell it for me and voila found it after only seven tries, also found their details of last 5 years of seasonal influenza showing around an 9% increase via covid infection.
Maybe you should go take a look yourself instead of the snarky comments.

 

[Nonamedhorse]

Prey tell oh oracle why would they inject a "dead" virus, as in order for your immune system to recognise it, attack it and kill it (can't kill a dead virus) to learn and build its immunity it first has to find a virus to kill. As for the ONS, someone had to spell it for me and voila found it after only seven tries, also found their details of last 5 years of seasonal influenza showing around an 9% increase via covid infection.
Maybe you should go take a look yourself instead of the snarky comments.

So what did those last 5 year say? Was it about 1800 excess deaths for the 18/19 flu season? And did it also tell you that none of those last 5 years had deaths in the 35-45k range?

As for vaccines, have a read up man. Then come back, apologise and move on. You will feel far better about yourself in the long run and may even be able to take a little of the moral high ground.

 

[Rollerball]

So what did those last 5 year say? Was it about 1800 excess deaths for the 18/19 flu season? And did it also tell you that none of those last 5 years had deaths in the 35-45k range?

As for vaccines, have a read up man. Then come back, apologise and move on. You will feel far better about yourself in the long run and may even be able to take a little of the moral high ground.

Put simply so you may understand.
Vaccines are made by taking viruses or bacteria and weakening them so that they can't reproduce (or replicate) themselves very well or so that they can't replicate at all. Children given vaccines are exposed to enough of the virus or bacteria to develop immunity, but not enough to make them sick.
I guess a dead virus would certainly meet the criteria of being unable to replicate, but it kinda falls down with the phrase "weakening them"
So many now are "experts" and are telling others how it is without actually knowing what they are talking about.


Ps I apologise, my figures were well out on mortality over the last 5 years, it's actually , and this is taking ONS and other government figures is lower at between 15,000 to 17,500 every year of seasonal influenza or related deaths, but as of last year there were 3 "emerging" virus that were not being attributed to influenza until they had been properly classified which may add 2-3,000 to the figures once classified.

 

[Varkanoid]

Its like some people dont listen to the news. Above is correct but its been said many times on BBC News the Oxford vaccine is made up of the Cornovirus but only the small part that allows the body to detect it and produce the antibodies to fight it. Its basically stripped back Cornovirus all the replication and infection part is removed. In some people it can make them slightly ill as the process of producing antibodies can make you feel lethargic and drained but this usually occurs for a couple of days. Doesnt anyone remember the TB test you used to get at school was something like 16 needles in a circle that got punched into your skin. You were injected with a tiny part of TB so that it triggered antibodies to be produced. Can you imagine that happening today punching holes with needles into kids there would be outrage ! I remember it bloody hurt.

 

[Nonamedhorse]

Put simply so you may understand.
Vaccines are made by taking viruses or bacteria and weakening them so that they can't reproduce (or replicate) themselves very well or so that they can't replicate at all. Children given vaccines are exposed to enough of the virus or bacteria to develop immunity, but not enough to make them sick.
I guess a dead virus would certainly meet the criteria of being unable to replicate, but it kinda falls down with the phrase "weakening them"
So many now are "experts" and are telling others how it is without actually knowing what they are talking about.


Ps I apologise, my figures were well out on mortality over the last 5 years, it's actually , and this is taking ONS and other government figures is lower at between 15,000 to 17,500 every year of seasonal influenza or related deaths, but as of last year there were 3 "emerging" virus that were not being attributed to influenza until they had been properly classified which may add 2-3,000 to the figures once classified.

Well done, you half got there.
My only problem is, you didn’t go the whole Hog, you could have, but you failed to take advantage of the situation.

You are part of the problem with this all sorry mess.
Some people reading shit on the internet will take your information as gospel, and likewise, some will take what I’ve written as the truth.
But some clever people will think, “you know what, I’m going to read up on that”

It’s those people that matter.

Now fuck off you boring cunt.

 

[derfblade.3]

Well done, you half got there.
My only problem is, you didn’t go the whole Hog, you could have, but you failed to take advantage of the situation.

You are part of the problem with this all sorry mess.
Some people reading shit on the internet will take your information as gospel, and likewise, some will take what I’ve written as the truth.
But some clever people will think, “you know what, I’m going to read up on that”

It’s those people that matter.

Now fuck off you boring cunt.

Calm down, calm down. We are Blades.....together!

 

[broomhillblade]

Meanwhile,, in Korea...

South Korea football league imposes record fine on FC Seoul over sex dolls outrage

K-League says club ‘deeply humiliated’ female football fans and damaged the league’s reputation

www.theguardian.com

 

[broomhillblade]

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[Nonamedhorse]

Calm down, calm down. We are Blades.....together!

True words. We are all United.

 

[diode_blade]

Watch the two part Horizon program that was on beeb 2 about Corona virus'es of which covid 19 is only one.

 

[silver blade]

How is it possible to have crowds at football, rugby racing or whatever if a vaccine isn't found? Social distancing can only go so far. Could this spread into years rarther than months and if so what will become of the beautiful game?

One of the theories going around is, if you are tested & found to have had the virus, you will be given a certificate that frees you from any restrictions as it assumes you can't catch it again or pass it on, so in theory Blades virus survivors could watch the matches.

 

[Freethinker]

So what did those last 5 year say? Was it about 1800 excess deaths for the 18/19 flu season? And did it also tell you that none of those last 5 years had deaths in the 35-45k range?

As for vaccines, have a read up man. Then come back, apologise and move on. You will feel far better about yourself in the long run and may even be able to take a little of the moral high ground.

No room for him mate you took up all the space

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

One of the theories going around is, if you are tested & found to have had the virus, you will be given a certificate that frees you from any restrictions as it assumes you can't catch it again or pass it on, so in theory Blades virus survivors could watch the matches.

This will result in a rush to get the virus by some if a certificate gives this status !
Cannot see any government risking that before a vaccine.

 

[blades95]

I have an undergraduate degree and master's degree in a related field, in additon to a years experience in both the pharmaceutical industry and the NHS. Both attenuated (weakened) and inactivated vaccines exist. The nasal flu vaccine is attenuated, thus live, but they use a modified strain of flu which is not disease causing and does not replicated well at human body temperature. They mix genetic code from the predicted next predominant strain of flu into the code of the virus, such that the immune system can recognise these codes and destroy the actual virus.

Furthermore, there is no need for a pathogen to be able to be live for it to be detected by immune system as was insinuated by Rollerball. For example the polio vaccine contains a chemically deactivated form of the virus, the deactivation prevents the generation of a form of the virus that can enter the cells.

In addition, our body can recognise foreign proteins from viruses and bacteria quite effectively without them being part of a live pathogen. Sometimes it does this too well, which is what causes allergies to things like pollen. It should be obvious that pollen is not live. Some vaccines are even made up of the polysaccharides of the cell wall of some groups of bacteria.

Essentially you're both right and wrong. I've not even gone into whether you can call a virus 'live' or not.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

One of the theories going around is, if you are tested & found to have had the virus, you will be given a certificate that frees you from any restrictions as it assumes you can't catch it again or pass it on, so in theory Blades virus survivors could watch the matches.

This will result in a rush to get the virus by some if a certificate gives this status !
Cannot see any government risking that before a vaccine.

It will be an open invitation to criminals who fancy themselves as forgers.

 

[Nonamedhorse]

I have an undergraduate degree and master's degree in a related field, in additon to a years experience in both the pharmaceutical industry and the NHS. Both attenuated (weakened) and inactivated vaccines exist. The nasal flu vaccine is attenuated, thus live, but they use a modified strain of flu which is not disease causing and does not replicated well at human body temperature. They mix genetic code from the predicted next predominant strain of flu into the code of the virus, such that the immune system can recognise these codes and destroy the actual virus.

Furthermore, there is no need for a pathogen to be able to be live for it to be detected by immune system as was insinuated by Rollerball. For example the polio vaccine contains a chemically deactivated form of the virus, the deactivation prevents the generation of a form of the virus that can enter the cells.

In addition, our body can recognise foreign proteins from viruses and bacteria quite effectively without them being part of a live pathogen. Sometimes it does this too well, which is what causes allergies to things like pollen. It should be obvious that pollen is not live. Some vaccines are even made up of the polysaccharides of the cell wall of some groups of bacteria.

Essentially you're both right and wrong. I've not even gone into whether you can call a virus 'live' or not.

Yeah, what he said. I’m more righter though.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

I have an undergraduate degree and master's degree in a related field, in additon to a years experience in both the pharmaceutical industry and the NHS. Both attenuated (weakened) and inactivated vaccines exist. The nasal flu vaccine is attenuated, thus live, but they use a modified strain of flu which is not disease causing and does not replicated well at human body temperature. They mix genetic code from the predicted next predominant strain of flu into the code of the virus, such that the immune system can recognise these codes and destroy the actual virus.

Furthermore, there is no need for a pathogen to be able to be live for it to be detected by immune system as was insinuated by Rollerball. For example the polio vaccine contains a chemically deactivated form of the virus, the deactivation prevents the generation of a form of the virus that can enter the cells.

In addition, our body can recognise foreign proteins from viruses and bacteria quite effectively without them being part of a live pathogen. Sometimes it does this too well, which is what causes allergies to things like pollen. It should be obvious that pollen is not live. Some vaccines are even made up of the polysaccharides of the cell wall of some groups of bacteria.

Essentially you're both right and wrong. I've not even gone into whether you can call a virus 'live' or not.

If I was smart enough to understand all that then I would definitely agree.

 

[The Vicar]

Just watched some of the German league games on today. I am sure the quality was better than it seemed, but with no crowd it was desperate. I ended up switching off, not sure it would be better with MU v TH or similar.

 

[bromtom]

Just watched some of the German league games on today. I am sure the quality was better than it seemed, but with no crowd it was desperate. I ended up switching off, not sure it would be better with MU v TH or similar.

I watched Wolfsburg Vs Dortmund and that was just a poor game, Wolfsburg were static and Dortmund were sloppy, but I've just finished watching Bayern Vs Frankfurt and that was a great game of football, some real quality on display.

A poor game is just a poor game regardless of who's there.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Just watched some of the German league games on today. I am sure the quality was better than it seemed, but with no crowd it was desperate. I ended up switching off, not sure it would be better with MU v TH or similar.

Yeah it's soulless. Not a fan of it as a "TV product" obviously the sport is still of a good level and maybe I will care more when it's the premier league but it's a slog.

 

[247Blade]

Government talks .... blah blah blah ... let's face it they know nothing ... they do nothing ... its left to the individual... no penalty, no enforcement... just get on with it .... fancy a game of Russian Roulette?

 

[sitwell]

Its like some people dont listen to the news. Above is correct but its been said many times on BBC News the Oxford vaccine is made up of the Cornovirus but only the small part that allows the body to detect it and produce the antibodies to fight it. Its basically stripped back Cornovirus all the replication and infection part is removed. In some people it can make them slightly ill as the process of producing antibodies can make you feel lethargic and drained but this usually occurs for a couple of days. Doesnt anyone remember the TB test you used to get at school was something like 16 needles in a circle that got punched into your skin. You were injected with a tiny part of TB so that it triggered antibodies to be produced. Can you imagine that happening today punching holes with needles into kids there would be outrage ! I remember it bloody hurt.

The 16 needles was in the wrist wasnt it .followed a week later by a six foot long needle in your arm (still got the scar as has everyone over 50) followed 10 minutes later by your mates punching you on the arm in the playground.

 

[Carole Baskin]

The impact on my parks has been awful, disgrace. My cats are suffering.

 

[Wapping Blade]

The 16 needles was in the wrist wasnt it .followed a week later by a six foot long needle in your arm (still got the scar as has everyone over 50) followed 10 minutes later by your mates punching you on the arm in the playground.

Still remember lining up outside the medical room at Ecclesall Junior School in 1975/6. Mark Oates (haven’t seen nor heard from him since) fainted. The nurses were good, one asked me where I was going on holiday, I turned to look at her and the other one did the business!

 

[BushBlade]

I watched Wolfsburg Vs Dortmund and that was just a poor game, Wolfsburg were static and Dortmund were sloppy, but I've just finished watching Bayern Vs Frankfurt and that was a great game of football, some real quality on display.

A poor game is just a poor game regardless of who's there.

I watched it with the sound down and some music on. Not sure about some of the Frankfurt defending but it was a good game.

 

[VwBlade]

The impact on my parks has been awful, disgrace. My cats are suffering.

Killed your husband though so....

 

[Carole Baskin]

Killed your husband though so....

Prove it

 

[sitwell]

Prove it

Bitch