Project Restart - Hoping for 8th June

[Harry's Game]

If that happens then football will change forever in England and will probably end up with 2 professional leagues.

Almost certainly most EFL clubs would go bust without government support in this scenario

 

[Tarqs]

There's stories saying no vaccine available for 18 months.

Then conflicting stories saying one could be available as early as July....

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

There's stories saying no vaccine available for 18 months.

Then conflicting stories saying one could be available as early as July....

I don’t think the two statements are mutually exclusive as I understand it. There may be a viable vaccine in the next few months but it could still take 12-18 months before it is available in sufficient quantities for mass vaccination

 

[Tarqs]

I don’t think the two statements are mutually exclusive as I understand it. There may be a viable vaccine in the next few months but it could still take 12-18 months before it is available in sufficient quantities for mass vaccination

Well they aren't because they articles don't speak of 'mass vaccination', just the availability of a vaccine.

 

[YES Blade]

If that happens then football will change forever in England and will probably end up with 2 professional leagues.

Franchise football?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Well they aren't because they articles don't speak of 'mass vaccination', just the availability of a vaccine.

I don’t know what you’re reading and where from, but a vaccine solution to this will be determined by its efficacy, safety, and ability to be produced and delivered at scale. There might in July be a better indication of what current vaccine candidates are reasonable bets to meet these criteria, but we certainly won’t know that for sure in July, much less have such a vaccine available for then.

 

[ATL Recs]

I think it has a 50% chance if the government extend lockdown

lockdown won’t be relaxed before the beginning of June if all goes well

 

[haich1889]

 

[Davalon]

Finding myself getting annoyed by the growing argument against finishing the season.

It's not safe to restart June/July but we can plan to start a new season in September? How's that marry up?

Football isn't the same without? Of course it's not but if we arent to play until grounds can be full again then we're likely to be waiting quite a while so why not finish the season then.

The argument about season ticket sales is nonsense because no-one has a clue how long it will be before we can attend games again.

We either finish the season this summer with every precaution in place behind closed doors, or we wait until next year to finish.

The ones showing most concern or lobbying loudest to void the season unsurprisingly are those with a vested interest in that.

Rewarding failure and taking away achievement with so few games left is not only unfair, but I dont see a credible argument for it at present.

Most of us will have to return to work in the coming months with measures in place, so why is football different.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Finding myself getting annoyed by the growing argument against finishing the season.

It's not safe to restart June/July but we can plan to start a new season in September? How's that marry up?

Football isn't the same without? Of course it's not but if we arent to play until grounds can be full again then we're likely to be waiting quite a while so why not finish the season then.

The argument about season ticket sales is nonsense because no-one has a clue how long it will be before we can attend games again.

We either finish the season this summer with every precaution in place behind closed doors, or we wait until next year to finish.

The ones showing most concern or lobbying loudest to void the season unsurprisingly are those with a vested interest in that.

Rewarding failure and taking away achievement with so few games left is not only unfair, but I dont see a credible argument for it at present.

Most of us will have to return to work in the coming months with measures in place, so why is football different.

We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other. This isn't practical in football. Also it will encourage people to use it as an excuse when caught congregating, saying 'well footballers can'

 

[Berkshire Blade]

We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other. This isn't practical in football. Also it will encourage people to use it as an excuse when caught congregating, saying 'well footballers can'

I think a case of sides in isolation together and mass testing to make sure is the only practical way for football. Can be done to end the season in a short burst. Not sure it works for the next season unless it's done in chunks where players go back home to family...

 

[Silent Blade]

It’s 500 hundred that brings the infection rate up

Lets see what happens in the next few days

 

[Working Class Hero]

Finding myself getting annoyed by the growing argument against finishing the season.

It's not safe to restart June/July but we can plan to start a new season in September? How's that marry up?

Football isn't the same without? Of course it's not but if we arent to play until grounds can be full again then we're likely to be waiting quite a while so why not finish the season then.

The argument about season ticket sales is nonsense because no-one has a clue how long it will be before we can attend games again.

We either finish the season this summer with every precaution in place behind closed doors, or we wait until next year to finish.

The ones showing most concern or lobbying loudest to void the season unsurprisingly are those with a vested interest in that.

Rewarding failure and taking away achievement with so few games left is not only unfair, but I dont see a credible argument for it at present.

Most of us will have to return to work in the coming months with measures in place, so why is football different.

Factoring next season in to any decisions made about what happens with the remainder of this season, just seems stupid to me.

I understand the desire to get this season finished, and if that can happen this summer behind closed doors, then great. But even if it gets finished by July, it still doesn't mean starting the next one is a good idea. I personally wouldn't start next season until fans can attend.

 

[YES Blade]

We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other. This isn't practical in football. Also it will encourage people to use it as an excuse when caught congregating, saying 'well footballers can'

What about people in jobs where it's impossible to social distance? Such as hairdressers? Or tradesman that have to enter other people's homes?

 

[Davalon]

We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other. This isn't practical in football. Also it will encourage people to use it as an excuse when caught congregating, saying 'well footballers can'

The football environment is very different where players can stay for periods in protected places with access to regular testing

 

[Davalon]

Factoring next season in to any decisions made about what happens with the remainder of this season, just seems stupid to me.

I understand the desire to get this season finished, and if that can happen this summer behind closed doors, then great. But even if it gets finished by July, it still doesn't mean starting the next one is a good idea. I personally wouldn't start next season until fans can attend.

I agree. I'd rather this season be finished behind closed doors in a short burst with massive precautions in place, and then not start next season until next year.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

What about people in jobs where it's impossible to social distance? Such as hairdressers? Or tradesman that have to enter other people's homes?

They can't work.

 

[YES Blade]

They can't work.

"We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other."

So we won't all be at work then.....

 

[Berkshire Blade]

"We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other."

So we won't all be at work then.....

Yep. Pubs and restaurants will either be shut or significantly different. Hairdressers and the like totally different. Offices will have work from home in place etc.

Sport obviously behind closed doors and with isolated sportsmen to reduce the risk significantly.

A different world until we have a response.

 

[YES Blade]

Yep. Pubs and restaurants will either be shut or significantly different. Hairdressers and the like totally different. Offices will have work from home in place etc.

Sport obviously behind closed doors and with isolated sportsmen to reduce the risk significantly.

A different world until we have a response.

I assume a lot of industries will use PPE, I would've thought hairdressers for example will reopen within a couple of months and use PPE.

Unfortunately some people will have to put themselves at some level of risk if they want to work again, the risks can be lowered, but unfortunately not eliminated completely. Football will be one of these professions, testing and cleaning etc. to reduce the risk, but there will still be some level of risk.

 

[247Blade]

We will all be at work with measures in place to keep us away from each other. This isn't practical in football. Also it will encourage people to use it as an excuse when caught congregating, saying 'well footballers can'

No we all won't be at work distancing as in some jobs its impossible ... I wish the powers that be good luck with that one! People have been flaunting the gathering rules for weeks and nothing gets done about it .. Fines don't work as if you've got plenty of dosh it doesn't matter. Entertainment, Sport and the Hospitality sector really on the ropes as how do you make distancing work in these area. Unfortunately there are more questions than answers!

 

[BushBlade]

I assume a lot of industries will use PPE, I would've thought hairdressers for example will reopen within a couple of months and use PPE.

Unfortunately some people will have to put themselves at some level of risk if they want to work again, the risks can be lowered, but unfortunately not eliminated completely. Football will be one of these professions, testing and cleaning etc. to reduce the risk, but there will still be some level of risk.

I have to start going out as part of my work involves going to people’s houses. I’m booked in for a test tomorrow and I’ve got gloves and masks.
It’s the best I can do under the circumstances. I’ve just spoken to the people I have to visit and we’ve agreed a way of working whilst still social distancing.
I appreciate that’s different to being a hairdresser or carer where you have to physically touch people and I don’t really have an answer to that.
(Obviously if I fail the test it’s a different matter).
I guess I’ll continue to use PPE for some time, long after lockdown is relaxed. It’s a shit situation really but it is what it is.

 

[Addison]

Premier League teams commit to finishing season ahead of final vote

Premier League teams discussed terms for ‘Project Restart’ on a conference call on Friday, with much of the discussion over neutral venues

www.independent.co.uk

Clubs still committed to finishing the season behind closed doors after to-days EPL meeting only two dissenters one of them sounds like Brighton in view of their Chairman moaning recently about having to finish the season and the need for them to play at Home. Suggestion of using neutral grounds looking more of a possibility. Other news outlets reporting grounds away from Housing areas such as Man City, Arsenal and the soulless bowl at West Ham are under consideration.

 

[BushBlade]

Premier League teams commit to finishing season ahead of final vote

Premier League teams discussed terms for ‘Project Restart’ on a conference call on Friday, with much of the discussion over neutral venues

www.independent.co.uk

Clubs still committed to finishing the season behind closed doors after to-days EPL meeting only two dissenters one of them sounds like Brighton in view of their Chairman moaning recently about having to finish the season and the need for them to play at Home. Suggestion of using neutral grounds looking more of a possibility. Other news outlets reporting grounds away from Housing areas such as Man City, Arsenal and the soulless bowl at West Ham are under consideration.

Reebok? That’s in the middle of nowhere.

Edit; or Hillsborough, no one would congregate around there because of the stench.

 

[Dutch Blade]

Premier League teams commit to finishing season ahead of final vote

Premier League teams discussed terms for ‘Project Restart’ on a conference call on Friday, with much of the discussion over neutral venues

www.independent.co.uk

Clubs still committed to finishing the season behind closed doors after to-days EPL meeting only two dissenters one of them sounds like Brighton in view of their Chairman moaning recently about having to finish the season and the need for them to play at Home. Suggestion of using neutral grounds looking more of a possibility. Other news outlets reporting grounds away from Housing areas such as Man City, Arsenal and the soulless bowl at West Ham are under consideration.

They can commit as much as they want, if the situation in England does not get better anytime soon the government will not permit it.

And if i'm looking at the numbers and compare it to other countries i'm pretty sure june or july is way to soon for any kind of events in England.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

They can commit as much as they want, if the situation in England does not get better anytime soon the government will not permit it.

And if i'm looking at the numbers and compare it to other countries i'm pretty sure june or july is way to soon for any kind of events in England.

Yes. But you can finish the 2019/20 season in 2028 if it comes to it. It just means committing (at the moment) to playing the remaining games when that is possible.

 

[Dutch Blade]

Yes. But you can finish the 2019/20 season in 2028 if it comes to it. It just means committing (at the moment) to playing the remaining games when that is possible.

I'm not really into the whole situation in England, but a lot of teams desperately need money right? As long as you don't start a new season, teams won't get revenue which clubs normally generate at the start of a new season. Doesn't postponing starting a new season makes it more likely for clubs to get bankrupt?

I mean, obviously playing out the division is what everyone wants but if it's gonna cost clubs maybe just putting an end to it (if possible without big problems) is the way to go.

I think for a lot of clubs, clarity might be more important than playing the remaining games.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm not really into the whole situation in England, but a lot of teams desperately need money right? As long as you don't start a new season, teams won't get revenue which clubs normally generate at the start of a new season. Doesn't postponing starting a new season makes it more likely for clubs to get bankrupt?

I mean, obviously playing out the division is what everyone wants but if it's gonna cost clubs maybe just putting an end to it (if possible without big problems) is the way to go.

I think for a lot of clubs, clarity might be more important than playing the remaining games.

Don't know mate. I'm not a fan of football club financial models. Which seem to be incredibly risk taking. Spending a lot on player contracts. Using money they've yet to receive. That model is now biting clubs on the arse. I'm in a simple position. Clubs won't get revenue unless games are played. Whenever that is. You can call those games 2019/20 or 2020/21 or 2020.... Or call them Fred. Or call them Ginger. They're just games & therefore revenue. In fact, fuck it, just call them Revenue Games. I think you & I broadly agree.

 

[Dutch Blade]

Don't know mate. I'm not a fan of football club financial models. Which seem to be incredibly risk taking. Spending a lot on player contracts. Using money they've yet to receive. That model is now biting clubs on the arse. I'm in a simple position. Clubs won't get revenue unless games are played. Whenever that is. You can call those games 2019/20 or 2020/21 or 2020.... Or call them Fred. Or call them Ginger. They're just games & therefore revenue. In fact, fuck it, just call them Revenue Games. I think you & I broadly agree.

Yeah I think that's the problem. The thing is, whether you call it 19/20 20/21 does not matter in terms of match day revenue as long as they can't sell tickets. But a lot of sponsorships are probably tied for a decent amount of money each season. So in that way it might matter for the revenue whether it's called 19/20 20/21.

Obviously we can't read the exact contracts, but I have worked for a law firm that represented some of the sponsors here in the Netherlands, and all of those contracts involved language about payments per season, not just a duration contract.

Biggest issue seems to be the liquid position of clubs in the upcoming months, so the faster they can get new revenues the better it is. As long as we get the EL spot i'm fine with cancelling the league and moving on if necessary.

 

[Davalon]

I'm not really into the whole situation in England, but a lot of teams desperately need money right? As long as you don't start a new season, teams won't get revenue which clubs normally generate at the start of a new season. Doesn't postponing starting a new season makes it more likely for clubs to get bankrupt?

I mean, obviously playing out the division is what everyone wants but if it's gonna cost clubs maybe just putting an end to it (if possible without big problems) is the way to go.

I think for a lot of clubs, clarity might be more important than playing the remaining games.

I've heard this concern quite a bit but I can't see who will commit money to season tickets and sponsorships without knowing when a new season is starting.

Smaller clubs with little or no TV money can't survive without gate income and matchday spend.

Until someone sets in stone a new season start date, especially with crowds allowed, I don't see any validity to the argument that the current season needs to end to help clubs.