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Neil Ferguson suggests “significant social distancing” will be necessary pending a vaccine. That’s a pretty stark statement.

Come on boffins - brew something up!
 

YES Blade said:
I had tickets for Ozzy but that got cancelled last year due to his health issue, we got a full refund because we couldn't make the rescheduled date. I would imagine once the new date is confirmed you will be given the option of a refund.
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Their ‘option’ if you cant make the new date is for you to try to sell them on their resale site.
 
BadgersBigToe said:
Their ‘option’ if you cant make the new date is for you to try to sell them on their resale site.
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Oh right, that's a bit shit! I seem to have dropped lucky with my Easter holiday cancellations, I got a full refund for my ferry crossing and accommodation. On Stena Line's website there was only an option to move the booking, but after I rang them, they offered a full refund.
 
YES Blade said:
Oh right, that's a bit shit! I seem to have dropped lucky with my Easter holiday cancellations, I got a full refund for my ferry crossing and accommodation. On Stena Line's website there was only an option to move the booking, but after I rang them, they offered a full refund.
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One of the shows has been rearranged for Feb 9th next year.......need to self isolate till then😊
 
Maidenhead said:
I have only one thought on this at the moment.

Cart before horse.
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Completely agree, I'm all for discussion but theres so many things up in the air: -
  1. When will this season finish
  2. When will we be allowed to leave the house
  3. When will we be able to go back to work
  4. Will I have a job
  5. When will next season start
  6. How many games will there be
  7. Will attendance be restricted
  8. Will there be a vaccine
  9. Will games be behind closed doors
  10. Will it be safe to go to a match (just because it's open and allowed, doesn't mean its safe)
  11. Will attendance be restricted
Until all of those questions are answered I can't really decide what I want to do about next season and the club can't really offer any kind of deal on next seasons tickets.

Its quite possible they sell tickets on a game by game basis if it has to begin behind closed doors or with restricted capacity. Luckily we haven't announced our season tickets yet, which is one less headache I can imagine the club are thankful for.
 
him behind you said:
Not sure I agree with the holiday analogy YB because, unless you take out insurance, then it very much is tough shit. The only instance I can think of where refunds are offered for something prepaid is a concert or a show, but with those you've paid for a one off event which hasn't happened so not quite the same as half a season.
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Ive had a holiday cancelled and have already been told I’m entitled to a refund, or vouchers or re-arranged dates.

The tickets for the Newcastle game and the Arsenal cup game should almost certainly be refunded as for fans they should be classed as one off events.

Be interesting to see whether people who have paid on a credit card will be able to claim the funds back from the cancelled game through them.
 
MobileBlade said:
That's working on the presumption that crowds will be allowed in at the start of next season.
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If there's not mate, start looking for something else to do,because football will be finished without attendances!!
 
Kop sufferer said:
Vaccine or no vaccine, season ticket or no season ticket, underlying health problems or fit as a fiddle, whether you're aged 7 or 70 who's prepared to congratulate alone or with family in a crowd of be it 10 or 50 thousand. Far from being a doom merchant, I reckon it could be the season after next before we are anything like normal
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I think you are right. In reality, until we get vaccinated or the virus miraculously disappears, we are going to be at risk to a greater or lesser. To be honest I would settle for just being around in 2 years time.
 
I don’t know when I’ll get to sit in my seat again but I’m pretty sure it’ll have been that long I’ll need to take a cloth to give it a wipe.
 
metalblade said:
Anyone wanting a refund is an arsehole, it's not the clubs fault that the games can't be played has no one heard the phrase "due to unforeseen circumstances"?
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metalblade said:
Anyone wanting a refund is an arsehole, it's not the clubs fault that the games can't be played has no one heard the phrase "due to unforeseen circumstances"?
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If what you say is true here's one arsehole. My thought is, if I pay for anything and get zero in return that's stupidity. So I'll trump your arsehole with my stupid.
Not everyone can afford what you suggest, as admirable as it may be. You obviously can afford it along with the members who agree with you, I can afford it, but will, on principal as I would do with any body I'm buying off, be asking for a refund if one is not offered or other means of recompense are not offered.
I'm sure the club will do the right thing towards everyone includeing it's self.
 
XM657 said:
If what you say is true here's one arsehole. My thought is, if I pay for anything and get zero in return that's stupidity. So I'll trump your arsehole with my stupid.
Not everyone can afford what you suggest, as admirable as it may be. You obviously can afford it along with the members who agree with you, I can afford it, but will, on principal as I would do with any body I'm buying off, be asking for a refund if one is not offered or other means of recompense are not offered.
I'm sure the club will do the right thing towards everyone includeing it's self.
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I agree with your viewpoint on this.

I posted the other day saying I didn't want a refund, they could keep it and consider it a tip, because it's been such great entertainment. And in all honesty, if they did offer a refund I'd probably give the money to charity.

However, you are absolutely right that the club (all clubs) should make good for not fulfilling the terms and conditions on which supporters purchased the season ticket. And those terms and conditions were that supporters would get to see 18 Premier League games of football at Bramall Lane during the 2019/20 season. And so far we are 4 short of that.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is - that's an irrelevance - this is not an insurance claim - no business should be taking money off customers and then not delivering what they've already paid for up front. That's the simple principle of business ethics and morals.

This isn't just about Sheffield United FC, all football clubs are in the same position. The simplest solution, to me, would not be to offer a refund - because that's very difficult to administrate - but to offer a discount off next season's season ticket price to the same value as that of the missed games.

In my view, we should consider increasing season ticket prices in any case. (I've a feeling this won't be a popular suggestion! "ARR MUCH? :D)
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metalblade said:
Anyone wanting a refund is an arsehole, it's not the clubs fault that the games can't be played has no one heard the phrase "due to unforeseen circumstances"?
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You do realise a lot of people are going to be short of money in these 'unforseen circumstances'
Not everybody is covered by the government help schemes
The refund may help people feed their family for a week not really being an arsehole is it

I have money tied up in Newcastle tickets, train tickets for that fixture and tickets for the Arsenal cup game
Probably totals over £250 I think I would be able to use that money to get through this, if the clubs are that hard up not to give refunds let some of the players take the hit by reducing their wages
 
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Pedro Verde said:
You do realise a lot of people are going to be short of money in these 'unforseen circumstances'
Not everybody is covered by the government help schemes
The refund may help people feed their family for a week not really being an arsehole is it
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Too right pal. My friends son is self employed but has only been that for 12 months so cannot claim for lost earnings. He is 21 , has a 3 year old daughter and a pregnant wife. He's a season ticket holder and has also paid for 2 cup tickets. All in all that comes to around 150 quid for the matches not being played. I wouldn't consider calling him an arsehole for wanting a refund. Some people only think of their own circumstances and go out and critisise people not so well off. I would say they are arseholes!
 
Signed up willingly, I wasn't pressed. Four home games left and I've got Arsenal tickets.
For what the Blades have given us for the last 3 and a bit years, I feel I've fiddled them. I don't expect any refund, and will renew as and when.
That's me though and everyones situation is different. Not knocking those who need their money back.
Exceptional and worrying times.
 
metalblade said:
Same for our lass she has ticket for some shows with her sisters, got the tickets but no idea when the show will be if ever, doubt she will be able to go now anyway she is in a vulnerable group who should be in 12 weeks isolation.
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I hope she didn't attempt to get a refund? It's not the bands fault that the gig can't be played has no one heard the phrase "due to unforeseen circumstances"?
 
Have a ticket for Newcastle away and then the game against arsenal at home and a season ticket.... just want to be back at the Lane :(

with regards to the Newcastle away ticket I think the only thing they can do is refund that - I mean I’d love to be able to swap it for another game and have that honoured if rest of season is behind closed doors or void.

My ST while it’s not the clubs fault, or anyone’s fault the season isn’t going ahead right now, no one has got what they had already paid for and id hate to be the person trying to figure out how to make it right. I’d accept whatever they come up with - it’s been such a great season, again ! And I just look forward to getting back there !
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I agree with your viewpoint on this.

I posted the other day saying I didn't want a refund, they could keep it and consider it a tip, because it's been such great entertainment. And in all honesty, if they did offer a refund I'd probably give the money to charity.

However, you are absolutely right that the club (all clubs) should make good for not fulfilling the terms and conditions on which supporters purchased the season ticket. And those terms and conditions were that supporters would get to see 18 Premier League games of football at Bramall Lane during the 2019/20 season. And so far we are 4 short of that.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is - that's an irrelevance - this is not an insurance claim - no business should be taking money off customers and then not delivering what they've already paid for up front. That's the simple principle of business ethics and morals.

This isn't just about Sheffield United FC, all football clubs are in the same position. The simplest solution, to me, would not be to offer a refund - because that's very difficult to administrate - but to offer a discount off next season's season ticket price to the same value as that of the missed games.

In my view, we should consider increasing season ticket prices in any case. (I've a feeling this won't be a popular suggestion! "ARR MUCH? :D)
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Eloquently put but more so, good relevant details which I omitted through lack of understanding.
 
Well hopefully they don't play games behind closed doors, finish off the season when ever it is safe to do so, and come up with a plan to start the next season later on this year or next. That way we still get to see all the games we have paid for.
btw the league needs to find away around the Qatar 2022 situation with it needed to be played in winter, maybe this helps sets this up ironically, maybe we will have a couple of seasons with all games played in a calendar year like MSL?
 
Living In a Fantasy World said:
Well hopefully they don't play games behind closed doors, finish off the season when ever it is safe to do so, and come up with a plan to start the next season later on this year or next. That way we still get to see all the games we have paid for.
btw the league needs to find away around the Qatar 2022 situation with it needed to be played in winter, maybe this helps sets this up ironically, maybe we will have a couple of seasons with all games played in a calendar year like MSL?
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That's the ideal, but I can't see any other than playing games behind closed doors unfortunately. The restrictions on social distancing will be eased, I'm convinced, for some, and to some extent, within the next month, but, I don't think it will go as far as allowing large scale events like football matches. So, I think we just have to accept that we'll most likely have to watch it on TV - and my understanding is that plans are in place for this to happen - terrestial TV - so no one has to pay again to watch it.

The Qatar thing is an interesting twist - personally I'd tell Qatar to take a run and a jump, sack the corrupt parties who made that possible, and choose somewhere a bit cooler instead.
 
metalblade said:
Anyone wanting a refund is an arsehole, it's not the clubs fault that the games can't be played has no one heard the phrase "due to unforeseen circumstances"?
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An arsehole? Really?
I’m self employed, haven’t been able to work for 4 weeks, now guaranteed another 3 more minimum with zero chance of any money coming in until June at the earliest. All “due to unforeseen circumstances” My savings are dwindling fast and any amount of money coming in I would be grateful for. I’m not asking for a refund but I wouldn’t turn it down. We’ve also paid out for Arsenal tickets that we haven’t a hope in hell of watching. Glad your so comfortable. Unfortunately my family comes first. Somehow I don’t think that makes me an arsehole
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I agree with your viewpoint on this.

I posted the other day saying I didn't want a refund, they could keep it and consider it a tip, because it's been such great entertainment. And in all honesty, if they did offer a refund I'd probably give the money to charity.

However, you are absolutely right that the club (all clubs) should make good for not fulfilling the terms and conditions on which supporters purchased the season ticket. And those terms and conditions were that supporters would get to see 18 Premier League games of football at Bramall Lane during the 2019/20 season. And so far we are 4 short of that.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is - that's an irrelevance - this is not an insurance claim - no business should be taking money off customers and then not delivering what they've already paid for up front. That's the simple principle of business ethics and morals.

This isn't just about Sheffield United FC, all football clubs are in the same position. The simplest solution, to me, would not be to offer a refund - because that's very difficult to administrate - but to offer a discount off next season's season ticket price to the same value as that of the missed games.

In my view, we should consider increasing season ticket prices in any case. (I've a feeling this won't be a popular suggestion! "ARR MUCH? :D)
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Agree with all of that until your last line, which made me think, here we go again, further theft of the game from the working family man/woman.
 
Sharrow Snuff Mill said:
Agree with all of that until your last line, which made me think, here we go again, further theft of the game from the working family man/woman.
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I think it's inevitable and to some degree has already happened, or at least, is happening right now, at most of the major football clubs in the world. It's about a global TV audience, not about local fans. There was an article that came out about a year ago, posted on the BBC website, showing that half of the teams in the Premier League don't depend on fans coming through the turnstiles to survive - it said it wouldn't matter if they played behind closed doors for every game - they make that much from other revenue sources, especially TV money, that having paying supporters coming through the turnstiles is not critical to them anymore.

Interestingly, the club most dependent on income from fans coming through the gates in the top 2 divisions was...Sheffield United. At the time I think it was something like 65% of our revenue came from that source. But...we're in the big league now and those ratios will have changed considerably.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's really important that football clubs attract local fans through the gates and maintain a hard core of supporters, who will still want to turn up and pay through the turnstiles, whether we are playing at the top of the Prem or further down the league pyramid. But we can't deny the game is no longer a sport just for the working man.

Given this evolution, I think our club should be charging "market rates" for Prem football. That means comparing with what others are charging - and then adapting that to their local market. This isn't London or Manchester, thankfully. So I'm not suggesting we should be charging what many clubs from those cities charge - but I do think that our average prices are way behind even the next nearest cheapest team (Burnley) and at some point, before the start of next season (assuming we finish this one and there is a next season) the club will need to revise its pricing structure. I expect we'll remain amongst the lowest season ticket prices for Premier League football - but I also expect we'll be asking for a significant increase over this season's prices.

I think the fairest way to do this would be to increase season ticket prices by about 25%. Which means that the cheapest non-concessionary ticket, increases from just over £400 to around £500. But at the same time, offer existing season ticket holders (and that's about 25,000 regulars) a discount to cover the 4 games that haven't been able to be played - that's roughly £85 - meaning that those renewing would only be paying about £15 more. But new season ticket holders would be paying the higher price. That, to me, seems about the fairest way of the club increasing its revenues for next season whilst not disadvantaging the majority of its loyal fans.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I think it's inevitable and to some degree has already happened, or at least, is happening right now, at most of the major football clubs in the world. It's about a global TV audience, not about local fans. There was an article that came out about a year ago, posted on the BBC website, showing that half of the teams in the Premier League don't depend on fans coming through the turnstiles to survive - it said it wouldn't matter if they played behind closed doors for every game - they make that much from other revenue sources, especially TV money, that having paying supporters coming through the turnstiles is not critical to them anymore.

Interestingly, the club most dependent on income from fans coming through the gates in the top 2 divisions was...Sheffield United. At the time I think it was something like 65% of our revenue came from that source. But...we're in the big league now and those ratios will have changed considerably.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's really important that football clubs attract local fans through the gates and maintain a hard core of supporters, who will still want to turn up and pay through the turnstiles, whether we are playing at the top of the Prem or further down the league pyramid. But we can't deny the game is no longer a sport just for the working man.

Given this evolution, I think our club should be charging "market rates" for Prem football. That means comparing with what others are charging - and then adapting that to their local market. This isn't London or Manchester, thankfully. So I'm not suggesting we should be charging what many clubs from those cities charge - but I do think that our average prices are way behind even the next nearest cheapest team (Burnley) and at some point, before the start of next season (assuming we finish this one and there is a next season) the club will need to revise its pricing structure. I expect we'll remain amongst the lowest season ticket prices for Premier League football - but I also expect we'll be asking for a significant increase over this season's prices.

I think the fairest way to do this would be to increase season ticket prices by about 25%. Which means that the cheapest non-concessionary ticket, increases from just over £400 to around £500. But at the same time, offer existing season ticket holders (and that's about 25,000 regulars) a discount to cover the 4 games that haven't been able to be played - that's roughly £85 - meaning that those renewing would only be paying about £15 more. But new season ticket holders would be paying the higher price. That, to me, seems about the fairest way of the club increasing its revenues for next season whilst not disadvantaging the majority of its loyal fans.
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Premier League clubs may not rely on gate money to survive, but it’s hugely important if you want to be competitive, especially the higher up you go. The corporate side of things is even more important and that’s where we are lagging behind.

The club can only push up the prices of season tickets so far, particularly on the Kop, they can’t charge Premier League prices for League Two facilitates. Unless we’re going to invest heavily in the Lane, I can’t see how they can squeeze much more match day spend out of us fans.
 

Spectators in the ground, watching games live are part of "the spectacle" that TV viewers want to buy. That fella in India is paying to see Harry Kane on his Tele. But, make no mistake, he's also paying to see you & me, in the ground, baying & preening.
In the cold light of day, TV rights for Closed games in empty stadiums would be worth less than TV rights for full stadium games. The world wide interest in watching the PL in empty stadiums would decline over time.
(I'm making a general point, I know behind closed doors is hopefully a necessary & temporary measure)
 
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