Who knew, Pigs do sometimes talk sense...

[Sheffsteel]

The talk of Wilder and a top 6 club is laughable, think some people have their Blades specs on and are losing it.

The reality is that Wilder is considered a plucky Northern manager who is showing promise at fighting relegation battles.
So the only bigger club that might come in for him is Newcastle or Aston Villa, that’s it, but I doubt even those 2 would be interested.
When a PL club has money to appoint almost any manager......then it seems nonsense to appoint a manager who’s career has mainly been in the non league.

Managers tend to be pigeon holed.
At the moment Wilder has this reputation of performing miracles in the lower divisions, so he’ll be forever in demand in the lower divisions.
In the PL he currently has almost no reputation, however if we finish around 15th, then he’ll be building himself a reputation as someone good at fighting relegation battles. The only way a top half club would even think about Wilder is if he wins a trophy.

You only have to look at Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, doing great jobs helping Bournmouth and Burnley finish mid table every year.
Even with that record those 2 managers still can’t attract better jobs.

As I said unless we win a trophy or gets us into the Europa Cup and helps us reach a final in Europe then Wilder will be here for years.

 

[tincan]

Manure and Fatfrank s Chelski already have the gun loaded if there is no improvement. Not to mention Everton and their £500m attempt to break into the top 4. Chris is the current manager of the year, Media friendly, and savvy all what clubs want. . Imagine if we beat Liverpool 5 - 0 satdi , the frenzy will go beserk for him.
If we're top 4 by January and there is no major financial plan from HRH around then £20m a year might tempt him. We then might have to make do with Mourinio for the rest of the season as his replacement....

 

[Snake]

The pig fans have secretly admired Wilder ever since he shoved it up Carlos's shit pipe in the Bouncing Day Massacre. Wilder leaving is the only straw they have left to cling onto. They thought the first part of the process had happened when the Prince won the ownership battle. Then it turned out that he was the good guy all along lol ..... oh how that must have hurt them.

The fact is, Wilder and team are building a solid base here, so even if he eventually does leave we will be in a far better position than we were in May 2016.

Keep clutching at straws piggies, cos the big bad wolf is blowing your house down.

 

[184blade]

Wilder builds teams of players with something to prove, these players want to perform for HIM, can you imagine players in an established prem team having the same attitude towards him?
When he came to the Blades he took the team apart and built a team for his style of play. Can’t imagine another top team giving him the time needed to do things his way.

 

[Dkc]

Not sure how much money he's on, but I'd guess he's among the lowest paid PL managers if not the lowest. We need to be ready to offer him an improved deal in the summer if we stay up.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

The talk of Wilder and a top 6 club is laughable, think some people have their Blades specs on and are losing it.

The reality is that Wilder is considered a plucky Northern manager who is showing promise at fighting relegation battles.
So the only bigger club that might come in for him is Newcastle or Aston Villa, that’s it, but I doubt even those 2 would be interested.
When a PL club has money to appoint almost any manager......then it seems nonsense to appoint a manager who’s career has mainly been in the non league.

Managers tend to be pigeon holed.
At the moment Wilder has this reputation of performing miracles in the lower divisions, so he’ll be forever in demand in the lower divisions.
In the PL he currently has almost no reputation, however if we finish around 15th, then he’ll be building himself a reputation as someone good at fighting relegation battles. The only way a top half club would even think about Wilder is if he wins a trophy.

You only have to look at Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, doing great jobs helping Bournmouth and Burnley finish mid table every year.
Even with that record those 2 managers still can’t attract better jobs.

As I said unless we win a trophy or gets us into the Europa Cup and helps us reach a final in Europe then Wilder will be here for years.

A very sensible post. The idea that one of the top PL clubs will poach a manager who doesn't have at least one major trophy to his name is ridiculous. Why would they? They have the money and appeal to attract anyone they want - some non-league manager who's done pretty well in the middle of the PL? Not a chance.
Would he go to someone else just for money? No, he's got job security here, which, for a football manager is like rocking horse crap.
Will the Prince push him out or make him want to leave? It doesn't look like it. He seems to have his head screwed on.
And if he surprised us all and did leave, there's no reason we can't get a good manager and carry on. He's not the only decent manager in the world. And this idea that it's only Wilder and the players aren't PL standard is something they've invented to make themselves feel better - we shouldn't believe it too. The players are currently proving themselves and I expect most of them to claim their PL pedigree by the end of the season.

 

[Silvio Morris]

The fortunes of the two clubs always goes in cycles. We are the top club at present and long may it continue,

I cannot however remember a period when they were the top team in the city and we focused so much energy and attention on wishing the departure of one of their managers.

In their eyes the route to success is not an improvement of their management, playing staff or (no they could never bring themselves to think this) getting rid of the ineffective Chansiri.

Instead it's praying for Chris Wilder to be poached by a 'bigger' club.

Got to say I was so happy when Jack Charlton left them

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Wilder has undoubtedly built the team up. Now its the owners job to build the club up with ground improvements, improved revenue and academy/training improvements that take us to the next level. If those are all in the pipe line as the Prince claims and get done then the blow of Wilder one day going is softened. Right now we're two or three bad seasons away from having to start again.

If we stay up this season we should really start to see the club transform not just the team!

 

[Blade56]

It’s a sign how shite it is in S6 when all they can contemplate is the only (though unlikely) scenario that would ease the trauma of being a pig supporter. Feckin hilarious.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm confident we wont appoint Carlos Carvahal or Jos Luhaky. So at least there's that

 

[The Crab]

Would/could Knill be our manager if that happened or would he go with Wilder? I'm starting to think of them as Clough and Taylor, without the controversy of course

For me no. AK had some stabs at management, it didn't work out. Plus I think he'd go with CW

 

[BigBed]

If Wilder were to go, then I'd assume Van Winkle would take the stand.
I believe that was the prince's plan originally, but Wilder proved to be the messiah!

 

[SwissBlade]

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I'm interested to hear what people think of this scenario, for a Wendy he certainly raises a good question. Would Prince get the right guy in IF Wilder went to lets say a top 4 side?

Its funny how they know all about us now. They didn't even know who Wilder was 2 years ago.

Its the only hope that they're clinging too now, that Wilder will quit and take a better job. And that may indeed happen.. but where...

Liverpool - Klopp is going nowhere, doing a great job.
Man City - Pep regarded as the best manager in football by the elite. It would be hard to imagine him leaving until they win the Champions League.
Chelsea - Lampard is probably there for a while, unless he takes them down into relegation slots its unlikely that he will leave.
Man U - Ole will be sacked by Christmas.
Tottenham - Pochettino may walk, but probably only if the Man U job comes up.
Arsenal - Emri will probably just do enough to hold his job until the new year when they will pick up again
Everton - Silva probably gone by xmas if they get a few bad results. It wouldn't be a big enough move to make wilder jump ship
Leicester - Rogers doing just fine. It wouldn't be a big enough move to make wilder jump ship

These are what i'd call the big 8 now, the sides which will make up the top 10 barring some disaster. I don't see Wilder being enticed by anyone else in the Premier League and if we keep moving forward in the manner which he likes, then he wouldn't even be looking at the top 2 jobs in England.

Man U, Spurs, Arsenal and maybe Chelsea would be the only ones which may possibly be interested in him and interesting to Wilder.

So unless we are relegated, don't expect Wilder to move anywhere.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Its funny how they know all about us now. They didn't even know who Wilder was 2 years ago.

Its the only hope that they're clinging too now, that Wilder will quit and take a better job. And that may indeed happen.. but where...

Liverpool - Klopp is going nowhere, doing a great job.
Man City - Pep regarded as the best manager in football by the elite. It would be hard to imagine him leaving until they win the Champions League.
Chelsea - Lampard is probably there for a while, unless he takes them down into relegation slots its unlikely that he will leave.
Man U - Ole will be sacked by Christmas.
Tottenham - Pochettino may walk, but probably only if the Man U job comes up.
Arsenal - Emri will probably just do enough to hold his job until the new year when they will pick up again
Everton - Silva probably gone by xmas if they get a few bad results. It wouldn't be a big enough move to make wilder jump ship
Leicester - Rogers doing just fine. It wouldn't be a big enough move to make wilder jump ship

These are what i'd call the big 8 now, the sides which will make up the top 10 barring some disaster. I don't see Wilder being enticed by anyone else in the Premier League and if we keep moving forward in the manner which he likes, then he wouldn't even be looking at the top 2 jobs in England.

Man U, Spurs, Arsenal and maybe Chelsea would be the only ones which may possibly be interested in him and interesting to Wilder.

So unless we are relegated, don't expect Wilder to move anywhere.

Everton are the most likely out of that lot. Their most succesful recent period came under a British manager, and the preceding foreign big names have failed to move them onto the next level. They will take that into consideration and also look at the (relative) success acheived by British managers at Leicester, Bournemouth and Burnley. It's not beyond the realms at all that they would revert to a home grown manager at which point Wilder becomes one of the most attractive propositions. It is imperative that we don't allow ourselves to relax on this front.

 

[SwissBlade]

Everton are the most likely out of that lot. Their most succesful recent period came under a British manager, and the preceding foreign big names have failed to move them onto the next level. They will take that into consideration and also look at the (relative) success acheived by British managers at Leicester, Bournemouth and Burnley. It's not beyond the realms at all that they would revert to a home grown manager at which point Wilder becomes one of the most attractive propositions. It is imperative that we don't allow ourselves to relax on this front.

I think that they are a risk for us, but i get the feeling that its less likely nowadays that premier league clubs poach from each other, the money is just so good that they're almost untouchable. Not saying that it wouldn't and doesn't happen, but who was the last big manager move from one PL club to another. Pochettino from Southampton to Spurs?

I think with Everton, they're more likely to look towards Bielsa.

Ironically if we go down, Wilder becomes less attractive to the big 8 and then you'd be looking at lower end PL teams that are struggling...

 

[CarlingBlade]

Pignomics for beginners:

2016 - Wilder has never done owt (L1)
2017 - Pub league Manager at best, you can't compete on PASHUN (Champ)
2018 - Got lucky last season finishing about us, you'll crash and burn this season (Champ)
2019 - You're fucked without Wilder, when he goes to a bigger job you're screwed (PL)

"Debating with a Pig fan is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory".

 

[Booker4]

If Wilder left now it would obviously be disastrous and I'd like to see Wilder stay for a long, long time. If however he leaves us as an established PL side in a few seasons then we'd be in a much better position to replace him than we are now as we're not established. Saying all that, any replacement manager would have to be a very good manager to succeed Wilder but for now we should just enjoy where we are and as top dogs. Wednesday fans can say what they like, they've proved to be wrong every season as others have said and they're just desperate for us to fail back to their level, because there's no way they'll join us in the Pl in my view.

 

[BushBlade]

Everton are the most likely out of that lot. Their most succesful recent period came under a British manager, and the preceding foreign big names have failed to move them onto the next level. They will take that into consideration and also look at the (relative) success acheived by British managers at Leicester, Bournemouth and Burnley. It's not beyond the realms at all that they would revert to a home grown manager at which point Wilder becomes one of the most attractive propositions. It is imperative that we don't allow ourselves to relax on this front.

You say that as if they have an idea what they’re doing when the evidence indicates otherwise. They’ll look at how we beat them and assume CW is Fat Sam mark 2.

They also seem to be such a mess I’m not convinced CW would be interested right now. He likes to control all aspects of the football side and I’m not sure he’d get to do that at Everton.

I can’t see him leaving in the near future unless the owner pisses him off.

 

[Bartleby]

 

[JayGreen17]

Wilder will be the first to say it's always about the players. We have good players that a decent replacement could utilise.
But can see Wilder being out Alex Ferguson for quite some time . When we stay up why would he go and start from scratch somewhere else. We are as good for him as he is for us.

This is the view if the prince too, only just said it last week, Wilder will be backed and his salary will go upward accordingly, Wilder has the chance to build this club into something special and onto the next level HIS club...why would he want to go anywhere else whilst he’s being backed by the owner...wishful thinking by the pigs...even if he does go they’ll just flounder like they have for the last 20 years at least we will have added to our great history and encouraged a new set of additional fans along the way, it’s about building on and off the pitch! UTB!

 

[Trafford]

I'm interested to hear what people think of this scenario, for a Wendy he certainly raises a good question. Would Prince get the right guy in IF Wilder went to lets say a top 4 side?

I thought that you had taken past feedback on board JL94x4 and no longer spouted baseless rumours of our best players leaving or wider scaremongering but it appears that I was wrong. You don't have as much to work with as you did when we were back in League One but you still persevere.......

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think he would leave if he wasn't backed to take the club any further forward. I could imagine him wanting to be at a club with ambitions and the backing to challenge the Top 6. He would prefer that club to be us, but if he felt that we were stagnating and the owners were content with the middle of the table he would look for something that could take him up a level.

 

[fuerstenberger]

These things, like everything, goes in cycles. At the moment foreign coaches are trendy but that will change. Ferguson is a huge Wilder fan and is not without influence at Man U. A 3 year contract worth £5-10 million a year would set him up for life, daft to turn it down. Not beyond the realms of fantasy, but I do admit, highly unlikely.

 

[BushBlade]

These things, like everything, goes in cycles. At the moment foreign coaches are trendy but that will change. Ferguson is a huge Wilder fan and is not without influence at Man U. A 3 year contract worth £5-10 million a year would set him up for life, daft to turn it down. Not beyond the realms of fantasy, but I do admit, highly unlikely.

I disagree that things will change in the near and predictable future. The best manager in Italy, Portugal, Spain, Germany etc will always be perceived as being better than the fifth best manager in England. You can’t undo globalisation.

 

[Plymouthblade]

Love these chats from where we have been ! Utb

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Bloody hell !! We are only six games into Chris Wilders premiership journey and already one of our city rivals supporters is offering an hypothesis following his possible departure.If and when he leaves our great club it will be unrecognisable from its current position,the style of play will be adjusted over time to accommodate better quality players.They were consoling themselves that we would fall 'flat on our face' this season and they are now fearful that we may be competitive enough to stay up,they are obviously distraught at the thought of our continued success,great isn't it.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Wilder builds teams of players with something to prove, these players want to perform for HIM, can you imagine players in an established prem team having the same attitude towards him?
When he came to the Blades he took the team apart and built a team for his style of play. Can’t imagine another top team giving him the time needed to do things his way.

Damned United springs to mind

 

[Chengdu Blade]

I'm still flummoxed why Howe and Dyche haven't been given opportunities to manage a top six club, especially Howe whom has taken Bournemouth from League 1 to an established premier league club playing attractive football (Wilder has reiterated on numerous occasions on how he sees Bournemouth as a model to replicate). Therefore I can't see Wilder being taken seriously by top Premiership sides unless he wins a trophy or we get into the top six etc.

 

[bypassblade]

People have to realise pigs looking at a "what if" scenario as they cannot deal with what is happening in the here and now, in all honesty what team could drag him away ATM.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

No they don't.