CONFIRMED Oliver McBurnie

[Hunter_999]

Seems you’re an active member of the TwitterBlades community...

 

[Pinchy]

They would be sold, if we'd stump up £20 Million, I think that's something we can all agree on.
I also 100% agree on the add on's, I don't for one minute think we'll be paying £20 Million upfront, just as I don't believe we've paid £9M or £10M for Mousset however that is the level of deal you'll need to pay to secure these guys.
As I said, either pay the going rate, or we need to move on and find value in other markets.

As long as the add-ons are performance based not merely ‘games played’ either for us or international teams. Goals scored, League position and points won, yes by all means.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

As long as the add-ons are performance based not merely ‘games played’ either for us or international teams. Goals scored, League position and points won, yes by all means.

You’d hope that a games played bonus would be an indicator of good performances tbf

 

[Bladesman]

That is not a picture of him in a Blades shirt.

 

[bromtom]

In reply to a request for a source

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Fuckin' hell. It's easy this ITK lark innit.

By the way, were beating Beijing Guoan's £1m a week offer for Bale.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

As long as the add-ons are performance based not merely ‘games played’ either for us or international teams. Goals scored, League position and points won, yes by all means.

I’d guess Premier League survival or position could be an interesting one. Could that fall foul of competitiveness rules, if we need a point in the run in and one of those teams gets an extra £3-4 million if we stay up? Not really considered that before, but the obvious way around it is to trigger the add ons if you achieve a total of 50 PL points over his contract because you will have clearly survived a season. Hmm quite good fun this contract stuff.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Although not an original thought, and I'm painfully aware of the 'traps' attached to signing expensive players on lengthy contracts, doing promotion on the cheap is something we must avoid.. The difference in cost may be the difference in determining whether we remain a Premier club or whether we are relegated.

 

[Pinchy]

You’d hope that a games played bonus would be an indicator of good performances tbf

It would but it wouldn’t necessarily reflect a successful season (we all know what that means this time round). I want to ring-fence the add-ons so we only pay them if we stay up!

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It would but it wouldn’t necessarily reflect a successful season (we all know what that means this time round). I want to ring-fence the add-ons so we only pay them if we stay up!

Come on Mr P, that smacks of Bladey inferiority complex young man, you obviously meant to put when we stay up,surely?

 

[Harrisblade]

Although not an original thought, and I'm painfully aware of the 'traps' attached to signing expensive players on lengthy contracts, doing promotion on the cheap is something we must avoid.. The difference in cost may be the difference in determining whether we remain a Premier club or whether we are relegated.

Never heard of the money associated with membership of the PL or parachute payments then?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Never heard of the money associated with membership of the PL or parachute payments then?

I'm referring to a far broader set of possibilities than the money paid. Dependent on whether a club remains in the Prem, or whether they're relegated, the money may not be infinite. So forward planning, taking into accounts worst case possibilities, enables clubs to plan without existing contractual obligations acting like a choke hold.........assuming you agree with forward planning

 

[sheffielder]

Swansea fan in peace here. We have a business model in place and you won’t get him for less than we’re willing to accept you know

 

[Ricky]

£17.5m

Absolute top end of Swansea's fee aspirations if so.

An obvious premium due to the lack of alternatives.

But McBurnie and Mousset for about £25m could start to look very good very quickly.

 

[SteveBlade]

 

[Harrisblade]

I'm referring to a far broader set of possibilities than the money paid. Dependent on whether a club remains in the Prem, or whether they're relegated, the money may not be infinite. So forward planning, taking into accounts worst case possibilities, enables clubs to plan without existing contractual obligations acting like a choke hold.........assuming you agree with forward planning

But like the money - contracts aren't infinite either.

 

[itsinyerblood]

But like the money - contracts aren't infinite either.

Correct, but unlike the money, contracts don't change, whatever's written into an agreement is binding. The money gets less and less if you're relegated, which often prompts a fire sale of highly paid players as clubs face the reality of having to pay wages that are no longer affordable.

Good financial husbandry can be the difference between solvency and going under. We only have to look across the city to see a badly run club that took a risk that they are now having to meet the consequences of. I've seen it written clearly on these pages, that we aren't ambitious, that we do things on the cheap, well look at our blue and white paupers, they, and other clubs, are the reason all clubs need to avoid profligacy and practice a more realistic approach to running their business.

The key is to build a healthy footballing base, one where a club is equipped to pay their way, not spend money as if it's going out of fashion. We now appear to be reaping the rewards of longterm caution, and with the benefits that are offered by becoming a member of an elite club we can at least plan in ways that we're unaccustomed to.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Swansea fan in peace here. We have a business model in place and you won’t get him for less than we’re willing to accept you know

No bids????

 

[Tunstall Fred]

No bids????

I will not believe it unless a Swansea fan with a fruit based nickname tells us the situation.

 

[Harrisblade]

Correct, but unlike the money, contracts don't change, whatever's written into an agreement is binding. The money gets less and less if you're relegated, which often prompts a fire sale of highly paid players as clubs face the reality of having to pay wages that are no longer affordable.

Good financial husbandry can be the difference between solvency and going under. We only have to look across the city to see a badly run club that took a risk that they are now having to meet the consequences of. I've seen it written clearly on these pages, that we aren't ambitious, that we do things on the cheap, well look at our blue and white paupers, they, and other clubs, are the reason all clubs need to avoid profligacy and practice a more realistic approach to running their business.

The key is to build a healthy footballing base, one where a club is equipped to pay their way, not spend money as if it's going out of fashion. We now appear to be reaping the rewards of longterm caution, and with the benefits that are offered by becoming a member of an elite club we can at least plan in ways that we're unaccustomed to.

Sorry, maybe wasn't clear enough.
Contracts don't change - but they end.
For instance, the Mousset deal is for 3 years, so it's covered by next seasons PL monies and the Parachute payment (as will be all current and newly signed players this window).
At worst, One PL season and 2 seasons of parachutes will give us time to restructure the squad as required.
I'm not suggesting that we 'spend money as if it's going out of fashion' simply that we can spend money that would have been undreamed of previously.

 

[sheffielder]

No bids????

No Dave

 

[itsinyerblood]

Sorry, maybe wasn't clear enough.
Contracts don't change - but they end.
For instance, the Mousset deal is for 3 years, so it's covered by next seasons PL monies and the Parachute payment (as will be all current and newly signed players this window).
At worst, One PL season and 2 seasons of parachutes will give us time to restructure the squad as required.
I'm not suggesting that we 'spend money as if it's going out of fashion' simply that we can spend money that would have been undreamed of previously.

I alluded to this 'new bounty' in my last paragraph, but with his customary nous Chris Wilder is shopping with one eye on the present and future. I'm not in the forecast business, but I suspect we have a superb play in the lad we bought from Preston, Callum Robinson. What any club has to be careful of is signing a group of players who cost extraordinary fees, who will be in receipt of wages unheard of previously, it's this that can act like a weight around the neck of any club as the cumulative effect bites deep into the club's diminishing resources. In this respect we're no different. Where Wilder has been smart, so far, is that his spending appears to be in line with the need to maintain the club's approach in not throwing the baby out with the bath-water.

 

[Davalon]

I'm referring to a far broader set of possibilities than the money paid. Dependent on whether a club remains in the Prem, or whether they're relegated, the money may not be infinite. So forward planning, taking into accounts worst case possibilities, enables clubs to plan without existing contractual obligations acting like a choke hold.........assuming you agree with forward planning

Hes a staunch Corbynista. Spending all the money and not worrying about where it will come from in future isn't a concern

 

[tincan]

I alluded to this 'new bounty' in my last paragraph, but with his customary nous Chris Wilder is shopping with one eye on the present and future. I'm not in the forecast business, but I suspect we have a superb play in the lad we bought from Preston, Callum Robinson. What any club has to be careful of is signing a group of players who cost extraordinary fees, who will be in receipt of wages unheard of previously, it's this that can act like a weight around the neck of any club as the cumulative effect bites deep into the club's diminishing resources. In this respect we're no different. Where Wilder has been smart, so far, is that his spending appears to be in line with the need to maintain the club's approach in not throwing the baby out with the bath-water.

CW maybe haggling for a deal , but that price includes integrating 6 or 7 new players into a winning team and a new system in the world's toughest league in 3weeks.
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[Boxer Blade]

Hes a staunch Corbynista. Spending all the money and not worrying about where it will come from in future isn't a concern

Because it'll be somebody else's problem

 

[itsinyerblood]

CW maybe haggling for a deal , but that price includes integrating 6 or 7 new players into a winning team and a new system in the world's toughest league in 3weeks.
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No doubt, but the truth is the integration you refer to will be an ongoing process, at least until CW see's the shoots of his efforts come to life. Most worrying for myself is the goalkeeper situation. The sooner this is resolved the better for everyone.

 

[Harrisblade]

What any club has to be careful of is signing a group of players who cost extraordinary fees, who will be in receipt of wages unheard of previously,

Why would you imagine that the 'players who cost extraordinary fees' (£20m ???????? ) will be in receipt of wages any higher than the existing players are already on for achieving PL status for the club?
At the moment, thanks to CW and his team, everything is under control and what's spent (and will be spent by him) is affordable.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I'm referring to a far broader set of possibilities than the money paid. Dependent on whether a club remains in the Prem, or whether they're relegated, the money may not be infinite. So forward planning, taking into accounts worst case possibilities, enables clubs to plan without existing contractual obligations acting like a choke hold.........assuming you agree with forward planning

At least we are signing resale-able assets all our main signings are you and hungry , if they completely flop we may make a loss but id say we’re more likely to make profits on players.

Look at brooksy teams are quoted at 50/60m for him Robinson has one good season and he’s worth that same for mcburnie if he signs

 

[Pedro's Winger]

The lowest turnover for a PL club in the last available figures (17/18) was £125m and ours could be higher due to a bigger stadium than the likes of Huddersfield, Swansea etc. That's around six times bigger than currently.
As it stands we're probably on to make a significant profit in 19/20.

 

[itsinyerblood]

At least we are signing resale-able assets all our main signings are you and hungry , if they completely flop we may make a loss but id say we’re more likely to make profits on players.

Look at brooksy teams are quoted at 50/60m for him Robinson has one good season and he’s worth that same for mcburnie if he signs

The potential for imagining 'what ifs' or 'maybes' never fails to amaze. Yes, I get how a player's value may increase, but if we have to sell then other club's instincts will recognise this, and the subsequent re-sale value may drop like a lead weight.

I hope your optimist is rewarded, where I differ is that I'm applying a sense of reality rather than conjuring up scenarios that may, or may not, happen.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The potential for imagining 'what ifs' or 'maybes' never fails to amaze. Yes, I get how a player's value may increase, but if we have to sell then other club's instincts will recognise this, and the subsequent re-sale value may drop like a lead weight.

I hope your optimist is rewarded, where I differ is that I'm applying a sense of reality rather than conjuring up scenarios that may, or may not, happen.

So who should we sign ?