Neal Maupay

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Sheffsteel said:
I heard that interview with Wilder too.

I think he said that `Brentford employ about 50 staff sat on their computers analysing stats based on their secret algorithms.
His point was although it appears successful it was also very expensive, therefore it needs to be successful.
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Remember seeing an interview with Barnsley owners about how they did the same to get Daniel Stendel, the future of scouting, I suppose.
 

NewBee said:
Ah, but does Mr. Biggs know how much BFC have received from last season's transfer dealings (with more to come in add-ons and sell-ons etc)?

I understand that last year's transfer dealings produced more than was originally budgeted for - eg I doubt many believe Mepham would go to the PL for quite so much, quite so soon (50-odd appearances, just turned 21, £12m+)

Tbh, I'd actually have said NM was more likely to go to SU before we signed Pontus Janssen, than since, despite the outlay.

This is because our owner may just have decided that this is the season we can "go for it and signing PJ was a statement of intent.

In any case, even if Bees do have still to balance the books via a big sale, I have a sneaky feeling that we might sell Konsa (CB) instead of Maupay, since we have now signed Pinnock (highly rated Barnsley CB) as well as PJ.

Konsa (I think) was the only Championship player in England's recent U-21 teams and is v.highly thought of.

And if Wan Bissaka can fetch £50m-odd from MU, when Konsa is the same age and has twice as many U-21 caps, then he's got to be worth a few bob.
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Not sure about last season but apparently in season 16/17, Brentford lost £4m over the season despite player sales of £18m.
Your business model seems to rely on sales even to lose a bearable amount, especially if you've already spent £15m
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Also how can you take them seriously when most of them said Egan & O'Connell weren't very good and they would be better off without them.
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Re. O'Connell, I can't speak for every fan (obv), but I believe the club rated him highly enough. However, with the more senior CB's we already had, we weren't at that stage able to offer him the regular playing time he wanted. On top of which, we had another young CB on the books (Mepham), who was coming through whom we also rated (Meps has since made his PL debut aged 21, while JOC will be 25 when he'll have got there). Anyhow, JOC eventually dropped down a division to progress his career.

Now fair play to the lad, he backed his own judgement, and it paid off for him (and Sheff U) handsomely. These things happen.

As for Egan, it wasn't so much that BFC didn't rate him, but it was more that he didn't really suited to the style of football we were developing. So that when another side came in and met our asking price, we did what we always do, and cashed in.

Of course, he too is another who "trained on" extremely well, but in the end, having signed him for £500k, we pulled in £4m(?) for him, a tidy profit which allowed us to spend £2.5m on Konsa six months later.

So even if you're extremely happy with both (understandably so), I don't think Bees are correspondingly unhappy either.

And if, with hindsight, we might have held on longer and done better out of them, these things happen. We still get more right than we do wrong.
 
NewBee said:
Ah, but does Mr. Biggs know how much BFC have received from last season's transfer dealings (with more to come in add-ons and sell-ons etc)?

I understand that last year's transfer dealings produced more than was originally budgeted for - eg I doubt many believe Mepham would go to the PL for quite so much, quite so soon (50-odd appearances, just turned 21, £12m+)

Tbh, I'd actually have said NM was more likely to go to SU before we signed Pontus Janssen, than since, despite the outlay.

This is because our owner may just have decided that this is the season we can "go for it and signing PJ was a statement of intent.

In any case, even if Bees do have still to balance the books via a big sale, I have a sneaky feeling that we might sell Konsa (CB) instead of Maupay, since we have now signed Pinnock (highly rated Barnsley CB) as well as PJ.

Konsa (I think) was the only Championship player in England's recent U-21 teams and is v.highly thought of.

And if Wan Bissaka can fetch £50m-odd from MU, when Konsa is the same age and has twice as many U-21 caps, then he's got to be worth a few bob.
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You do realise that Janssen is a complete and utter donkey, and miles behind Egan and O’Connell - don’t you? He was abysmal in both games against us and I’ve never seen him play well on tv either. He’s also a complete arsehole. Hardly a statement of intent.
 
Harrisblade said:
Not sure about last season but apparently in season 16/17, Brentford lost £4m over the season despite player sales of £18m.
Your business model seems to rely on sales even to lose a bearable amount, especially if you've already spent £15m
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Don't have the exact figures to hand, but I'm pretty sure that the two seasons since 16/17 have exceeded our budgeted target for transfer revenue.

Of course you're right, even with this, transfer revenues don't cover all our other operating losses. However, when combined with our owner's allowable cash injections (up to £39m over any 3 year period?), they are sufficient to keep us well within the FL's FFP requirements, season-in, season-out.

Which is quite remarkable when you consider we regularly have the 2nd or 3rd lowest revenues in the division, have never had PL money or parachute payments (unlike half the other Championship clubs), yet still have managed 5 x consecutive top half finishes.

And our financial situation should ease further when we move into our new stadium in 2020/21, with London Irish RFC as our tenants, even if it still won't be enough on its own to make us profitable in the Championship.
 
Janssen is a donkey. Massive lolz that Brentford fans seem to think its decent business.
 
JimmyMuir94 said:
Remember seeing an interview with Barnsley owners about how they did the same to get Daniel Stendel, the future of scouting, I suppose.
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Some say the future of scouting and good recruitment is playing a few seasons of Football Manager.
 
Deano said:
You do realise that Janssen is a complete and utter donkey, and miles behind Egan and O’Connell - don’t you? He was abysmal in both games against us and I’ve never seen him play well on tv either. He’s also a complete arsehole. Hardly a statement of intent.
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Not to forget tried to stop the goal against Villa going against his managers wishes, being banned from the training ground and being totally crap. He is not a signing I would be going onto another clubs forum bragging about.
 
NewBee said:
Re. O'Connell, I can't speak for every fan (obv), but I believe the club rated him highly enough. However, with the more senior CB's we already had, we weren't at that stage able to offer him the regular playing time he wanted. On top of which, we had another young CB on the books (Mepham), who was coming through whom we also rated (Meps has since made his PL debut aged 21, while JOC will be 25 when he'll have got there). Anyhow, JOC eventually dropped down a division to progress his career.

Now fair play to the lad, he backed his own judgement, and it paid off for him (and Sheff U) handsomely. These things happen.

As for Egan, it wasn't so much that BFC didn't rate him, but it was more that he didn't really suited to the style of football we were developing. So that when another side came in and met our asking price, we did what we always do, and cashed in.

Of course, he too is another who "trained on" extremely well, but in the end, having signed him for £500k, we pulled in £4m(?) for him, a tidy profit which allowed us to spend £2.5m on Konsa six months later.

So even if you're extremely happy with both (understandably so), I don't think Bees are correspondingly unhappy either.

And if, with hindsight, we might have held on longer and done better out of them, these things happen. We still get more right than we do wrong.
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Agree, it’s too simplistic to judge the success or failure of a transfer based how that player Is performing at their new club.
It’s a different set of team mates, different tactics and playing style.
Every time David Brooks scores a goal for Bournmouth we see posts on here saying “look what we could have had if we had kept him”
But at the time of the sale he was mainly used as a sub because our other midfielders were better then him (in our team).
 
essexblade73 said:
Janssen is a donkey. Massive lolz that Brentford fans seem to think its decent business.
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Partly agree, he’s slow and seems to have limited ability but he does seem to be an organiser and leader.
He wouldn’t offer much to our defence because we exude organisation and have plenty of leaders.
Brentford play pretty football but seem to lack leaders and winners, they remind me so much of a poor man’s Arsenal, all eye candy but little substance.
So maybe Jansson’s influence might be just what Brentford need.
 
Deano said:
You do realise that Janssen is a complete and utter donkey, and miles behind Egan and O’Connell - don’t you? He was abysmal in both games against us and I’ve never seen him play well on tv either. He’s also a complete arsehole. Hardly a statement of intent.
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Sorry, I hadn't realised that. I thought we'd signed a player who was was named in both the EFL Team of the Season and Sky Bet Championship Team of the Season in his debut season in the Championship (2016/17). And who then played for Sweden in the Quarter Finals of the World Cup in 2018 (he's now their captain, btw). Who had a bid of £10m by a Russian club turned down by Leeds after the World Cup. And who went on to be voted into the PFA Team of the Year 2018/19.

Anyhow, assuming we're not talking about two completely different players, I think the club must be saying something, since we never usually sign players his age (28) on a 3 year contract (with 1 year option) for that sort of money (£4m, rising to a possible £5.5m).

I can only think that along with the signing of another big unit of a CB in Pinnock of Barnsley, our manager has decided to address head-on our biggest failing of recent seasons, namely that we are a small side, who can sometimes be bullied out of a result by physical teams who wouldn't normally merit it purely on the quality of their play. (Which is a criticism of us, not them btw, since there is no single, prescribed way of playing the game).

We'll see how it works out.
 
NewBee said:
Sorry, I hadn't realised that. I thought we'd signed a player who was was named in both the EFL Team of the Season and Sky Bet Championship Team of the Season in his debut season in the Championship (2016/17). And who then played for Sweden in the Quarter Finals of the World Cup in 2018 (he's now their captain, btw). Who had a bid of £10m by a Russian club turned down by Leeds after the World Cup. And who went on to be voted into the PFA Team of the Year 2018/19.

Anyhow, assuming we're not talking about two completely different players, I think the club must be saying something, since we never usually sign players his age (28) on a 3 year contract (with 1 year option) for that sort of money (£4m, rising to a possible £5.5m).

I can only think that along with the signing of another big unit of a CB in Pinnock of Barnsley, our manager has decided to address head-on our biggest failing of recent seasons, namely that we are a small side, who can sometimes be bullied out of a result by physical teams who wouldn't normally merit it purely on the quality of their play. (Which is a criticism of us, not them btw, since there is no single, prescribed way of playing the game).

We'll see how it works out.
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We've got an Irish lad 4 years younger who has similar talents, 4m rising to 5.5m wouldn't get him though.
 

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Bill the bee said:
We are doing that now we have signed 5 players since some of you started creaming yourselves about Maupay joining you.Should have tried to sign Adams for 15 mill would have been hilarious business.123 pages and not one quote from anyone of importance that you made a bid and our DoFs and Head coach have both been quoted saying no bids have been received.You might still sign him but you seem more keen than your owners maybe they are to wrapped up in their legal stuff
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Bill, do us all a favour and crawl back to your high and mighty, Championship forum.

The other lads were rather intolerable at first, but they now seem to have calmed and are more reasonable.

You on the other hand, you’re just a cum bubble.
 
NewBee said:
Sorry, I hadn't realised that. I thought we'd signed a player who was was named in both the EFL Team of the Season and Sky Bet Championship Team of the Season in his debut season in the Championship (2016/17). And who then played for Sweden in the Quarter Finals of the World Cup in 2018 (he's now their captain, btw). Who had a bid of £10m by a Russian club turned down by Leeds after the World Cup. And who went on to be voted into the PFA Team of the Year 2018/19.

Anyhow, assuming we're not talking about two completely different players, I think the club must be saying something, since we never usually sign players his age (28) on a 3 year contract (with 1 year option) for that sort of money (£4m, rising to a possible £5.5m).

I can only think that along with the signing of another big unit of a CB in Pinnock of Barnsley, our manager has decided to address head-on our biggest failing of recent seasons, namely that we are a small side, who can sometimes be bullied out of a result by physical teams who wouldn't normally merit it purely on the quality of their play. (Which is a criticism of us, not them btw, since there is no single, prescribed way of playing the game).

We'll see how it works out.
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think we were talking about the player that his manager saw him train and play all last season, subsequently banned him from the training ground and could not wait to off load him before this season starts
 
The biggest concern for me is why on the threads page it says that there have been 3000 replies on this thread, and yet this comment is showing as response number 2510? :(Screenshot_20190709_213426_com.android.chrome.jpg
 
Original United said:
think we were talking about the player that his manager saw him train and play all last season, subsequently banned him from the training ground and could not wait to off load him before this season starts
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Like no manager ever fell out with a player before?

Even one whose nickname is "El Loco"?

Anyhow, whether I praise him to the skies or you slag him off to (whatever the opposite of skies is), it won't make any difference to how he plays.

And I for one am looking forward to seeing how he gets on.
 
NewBee said:
Like no manager ever fell out with a player before?

Even one whose nickname is "El Loco"?

Anyhow, whether I praise him to the skies or you slag him off to (whatever the opposite of skies is), it won't make any difference to how he plays.

And I for one am looking forward to seeing how he gets on.
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I for one am looking forward to watching premiership football next year
 
Tunstall Fred said:
Remember, we have to extend a cordial welcome to all.
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Fuck "cordial welcome"

Bill the bee is a full weight wanksplatcockwomble CUNT


In the immortal (&final) words of Captain L E G Oates

"I am just going outside and may be some time ......... Kin ell it's brassic art ere"

I'll miss (most of) you folk.........farewell
 
NewBee said:
Sorry, I hadn't realised that. I thought we'd signed a player who was was named in both the EFL Team of the Season and Sky Bet Championship Team of the Season in his debut season in the Championship (2016/17). And who then played for Sweden in the Quarter Finals of the World Cup in 2018 (he's now their captain, btw). Who had a bid of £10m by a Russian club turned down by Leeds after the World Cup. And who went on to be voted into the PFA Team of the Year 2018/19.

Anyhow, assuming we're not talking about two completely different players, I think the club must be saying something, since we never usually sign players his age (28) on a 3 year contract (with 1 year option) for that sort of money (£4m, rising to a possible £5.5m).

I can only think that along with the signing of another big unit of a CB in Pinnock of Barnsley, our manager has decided to address head-on our biggest failing of recent seasons, namely that we are a small side, who can sometimes be bullied out of a result by physical teams who wouldn't normally merit it purely on the quality of their play. (Which is a criticism of us, not them btw, since there is no single, prescribed way of playing the game).

We'll see how it works out.
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We’ll see as you say but from what I have seen I don’t really rate him. I have loads of mates who are Leeds fans who are glad to see the back of him too. It may be that he needs a new start and is exactly what you need but I wouldn’t have wanted him here as in my opinion we have much better already here. As for team of the year stuff sometimes they are a mystery how they are arrived at.
 
Original United said:
Not to forget tried to stop the goal against Villa going against his managers wishes, being banned from the training ground and being totally crap. He is not a signing I would be going onto another clubs forum bragging about.
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If it upsets the leeds scum its worthwhile, and Im told that this is the case.
 

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