Hutchinson Cheat

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LJBlade said:
I assume you mean 'wasn't going to get to it...'

In that situation then he should obviously have cleared it but the situation with Hutchinson happened quite quickly and he obviously made a snap decision. But it's all about trust isn't it. If Fleck trusts Henderson and he thought Henderson had shouted that it was his then I can understand why he might have left it.
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Yeah I did mean ‘wasn’t’ !

But the point is that these situations are not clear cut and with a split second to react - if in doubt, get it arrrggghhhtt.
 
Why would Wilder even say this? FFS, even if its true, you can’t condemn Hutchinson for doing it, that’s exactly what you’d expect an attacking player to do.

Sounds to me like Flecks making an excuse for his monumental fuck up ! :rolleyes:
 
Bit of shithousing, bit unsporting..

Dean Saunders anybody ?

Normally you call your name out, not “keepers” that has to change if it’s happening...
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Slightly different point, but shouldn’t Fleck be able to distinguish between the voice of his own keeper that he’s played alongside all season and a player he has barely heard before? Perhaps Hutchinson does a brilliant Hendo impression...
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I don’t know if you were there mate but the atmosphere was very tense and intensifying so it does have a chance of happening, Wilder and Fleck wouldn’t lie for something like this. The fans that are questioning it don’t know a lot about football if they think it didn’t happen and need to dish an apology out to our manager and player.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
Fair enough. I didn't know that. Refs highly unlikely to hear that shout over all the noise.

Still reckon we'd be chuffed if one of ours did it and scored, though. Fickle bunch we are.
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No, we wouldn’t, it’s pathetic and as clear as day that the shout had happened.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
Yeah I did mean ‘wasn’t’ !

But the point is that these situations are not clear cut and with a split second to react - if in doubt, get it arrrggghhhtt.
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Yeah I get that but my point is that maybe Fleck genuinely believed it was Henderson who had shouted and as he fully trusts his goalkeeper there wasn’t any doubts.
 
If Hutchinson shouts "leave lt" to deceive Fleck into not playing the ball,it is a caution and the restart is then an indirect free kick.Unfortunately,it is an offence that is very difficult to prove,it is worth the risk as the worse that can happen is a yellow card and at best you can win a tight game by cheating.
 
'Doc' Pace my hero said:
If Hutchinson shouts "leave lt" to deceive Fleck into not playing the ball,it is a caution and the restart is then an indirect free kick.Unfortunately,it is an offence that is very difficult to prove,it is worth the risk as the worse that can happen is a yellow card and at best you can win a tight game by cheating.
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It would, however, have been hillarious if he'd have scored, but the ref saw it and ruled the goal out.
 

1889 said:
Why would Wilder even say this? FFS, even if its true, you can’t condemn Hutchinson for doing it, that’s exactly what you’d expect an attacking player to do.

Sounds to me like Flecks making an excuse for his monumental fuck up ! :rolleyes:
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In the Laws of the game it is deception,no different to Rodrigues handball 'goal' for West Brom,we would have been rightly incensed if that had counted,deception is cheating,simple as that.All Wilder has done is call Hutchinson a cheat,quite right !!!
 
'Doc' Pace my hero said:
In the Laws of the game it is deception,no different to Rodrigues handball 'goal' for West Brom,we would have been rightly incensed if that had counted,deception is cheating,simple as that.All Wilder has done is call Hutchinson a cheat,quite right !!!
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Cheating? Its football not some board game. Jesus, in that case Billy Sharp ‘cheats’ from the first minute to the last. When he receives the ball with no immediate support he invariably falls over at the slightest contact, he regularly gives defenders a subtle nudge to knock them off balance, but that’s all part of the game. Players appeal for corners that they know are goal kicks, they pinch 10 yards taking a throw in.

Only the other week Wilder was shouting at Madine to go over to the far side of the pitch, ten seconds later he subs him.

Is deliberately wasting time not cheating too ? :rolleyes:
 
1889 said:
Cheating? Its football not some board game. Jesus, in that case Billy Sharp ‘cheats’ from the first minute to the last. When he receives the ball with no immediate support he invariably falls over at the slightest contact, he regularly gives defenders a subtle nudge to knock them off balance, but that’s all part of the game. Players appeal for corners that they know are goal kicks, they pinch 10 yards taking a throw in.

Only the other week Wilder was shouting at Madine to go over to the far side of the pitch, ten seconds later he subs him.

Is deliberately wasting time cheating too ? :rolleyes:
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No, it's not
Timewasting is just timewasting, not cheating. We could pass the ball between our goalkeeper and centre half for 90 minutes if we wanted to and if we were given the time to do it, it's not cheating. It'd be boring but it's not cheating.

Billy Sharp shielding the ball and using his body to get in front of a defender is not cheating, him being pushed and pulled all over the place and doing some pushing and shoving of his own is not cheating. At the most it's a foul one way or the other, but it's not cheating.
Ungentlemanly conduct in all forms is either cheating or against the laws of the game, and fake team mate calling is definitely cheating and punishable with a booking if it's definitely heard by the ref or his assistants
 
wizadry said:
Did he fuck and irrespective of that he’s heard that shout, that’s all you want to hear as a player and a fan.
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Agree totally about this with you.

it's quite obvious that a load on here have never played the game at anything like a serious level.

Listening to your GK playing at the back is absolutely paramount to a cohesive defence.

If there is NO call - then a player responds. If Fleck hears a call then he leaves.

I would like to think hendo has a call for his defenders though - something other than "keeper"

UTB
 
6yearsncounting said:
If it was as clear as day, how come nobody mentioned it until today?
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wizadry said:
I’ve seen this mentioned a lot of times today but it is possible that he’s had a shout of leave it from Hutchinson, from what I can see, why else would he not clear it?

There’s a lot of people got the daggers out for Fleck this season, not saying you two have by the way, I’m just so glad Wilder appreciates what he brings to the team.
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This was my post that I thought had happened during the game. I don’t like to brag as that’s not my way but if I see some people calling our players out, questioning them then I’ll tell anyone if I see fit that they’re speaking bollocks.

Fleck has took stick from some quarters this season and for all those who don’t appreciate him then more fool you. He’s a player of the highest magnitude who when given the license will wreak havoc.

People think his performance levels have dropped, have they fuck! He’s simply been asked to play different roles in different games this season due to Wilder and us adopting to the way of the league, if this wasn’t the case then rest assured the manager who doesn’t shirk anything as he’s proved time and time again would drop the useless piece of shit straight away. ;)
 
Sean Thornton said:
Billy kicked the shit out of all of 'em apparently and was then outside throwing fireworks at old women, clearly recognisable as he still had his kit on.

No doubt someone saiid on PorkTalk.
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He only threw the fireworks to free his hands up for the kidney punching.
 
wizadry said:
Did he fuck and irrespective of that he’s heard that shout, that’s all you want to hear as a player and a fan.
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Simplifying it to say he was "facing the keeper" - and I'm being generous- the video clearly shows he was following the flight of the ball initially, which anyone would.

Brian isn't really known for being that positive about United.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
Agree totally about this with you.

it's quite obvious that a load on here have never played the game at anything like a serious level.

Listening to your GK playing at the back is absolutely paramount to a cohesive defence.

If there is NO call - then a player responds. If Fleck hears a call then he leaves.

I would like to think hendo has a call for his defenders though - something other than "keeper"

UTB
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Pretty basic stuff. As is knowing what ungentlemanly conduct is. Shouting simply "mine" isn't allowed, let alone a false call.
DWCB.
 

To summarise this thread. The game ended 0-0 and I can’t have another wank so 5 pages about shouting, it is.
 
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