Outgoing? David Brooks

[nopigfansintown]

Do you think the signings of Egan and Norwood were funded via money down the back of the sofa, or do you think the Brooks sale might have something to do with it?

That is clear now and has softened my ire somewhat. At the beginning of the season it was pure conjecture. The two reasons to sell Brooks: glandular fever, and not knowing if he'd recover. The fact we wouldn't have had a transfer budget otherwise.

 

[diplomat]

It was 4 or 5 years ago though. Transfer fees have gone through the roof. And Brooks was sold to a Prem team. I understand your argument but potential is worth so much in this market - we definitely were at the very bottom end of what we should have gotten

Agree with you onthe whole. It’s very hard to gauge what we should have got. There was no known higher offer. Prem teams are worlds away from us in terms of finance. I believe our turnover is around the £10m mark so their offer was huge in that sense. If they were trying to pride him away from Liverpool for example, then they would have to pay more. Hopefully we have a good sell on clause and used the money in the short term to better ourselves - which I think we have. Historically we haven’t.

 

[vorpal blade]

I think he'll go to a top English club and then go to Real Madrid .... that way the agents get 3 bites of the cherries.

THAT is why he went for a measly sum* to a low level club like Bournemouth who will obviously have to sell him soon like we did?, to maximise the number of sales the agents get out of him.

It's like Ronaldo said, they are like rich slaves.


*undervalued though he was, it was clearly an offer we c/wouldn't refuse.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Only because its infantile and ignores facts ,reality and common sense

Ooh! Look at me. I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from Happy Land in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane.

 

[Fanny magnet]

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Ooh! Look at me. I'm making people happy. I'm the magical man from Happy Land in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane.

Awww ! That's nice

 

[Old Programme seller]

Wouldn’t it be better if Bournemouth were to sell him in the summer and we get our ‘sell on clause’ after the ownership issues are sorted or whoever loses the ownership may take his cut if the deal is done in the January transfer window and before ownership is sorted out and bugger off into the sunset.

 

[Blade58]

OK, but dutch auctions are the opposite. In a dutch flower market .... whence came the term, there is a big clock on the wall above the goods to be sold.

It's not a time clock it has one hand and the dial is marked in money. The hand starts at the top pointing to say, 1000 euros, when the auction starts, the hand turns clockwise DOWN through the prices. The first one to bid wins.

It's a question of keeping your cool so that you can get the lowest price.

So if you let the clock go round halfway you get the flowers for 500 euros, wait a bit longer and you buy them for 400 etc.

its about who blinks first.

this auction system used to be illegal in England.

Never knew that vorpal. Always thought it referred to two or more parties bidding. Silly me

60 yrs young and for about 45 of em I've been getting it wrong

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don’t know the sell on clause we’ve got but it should be 20% minimum!

Of any profit.

 

[Sean Thornton]

In addition to providing Wilder with funds to bring in the likes of Egan etc. And retain the likes of O’Connell, It was essential to provide funds to cash flow the club. We lose £6 million a year and the owners were no longer prepared to cash flow it until ownership issue resolved.

Get this witch burned .....

 

[Sean Thornton]

The reporter Alan Nixon was on Talksport radio earlier this morning.

He said that everyone at Bournmouth have been impressed and surprised at how good Brooks is.
Say he’s looked so comfortable at PL level and must now be the hottest British young talent in the game.

He said Spurs were interested last season but as he wasn’t even a regular at Sheff Utd they weren’t prepared to take the risk.
Also they knew he’s had glandular fever and weren’t sure what he’d be like after his health problems, so were prepared to wait.
So Bournmouth took the gamble paying 12 million which looked a huge amount at the time for a player that wasn’t a 1st team regular at a Champinship club. Nixon said it now looks like great business by Bournmouth saying PL football seems to suit him more than Championship football as it’s less physical so he gets more time on the ball. Also said Bournmouths attacking style is bringing the best out of Brooks.

Nixon said that he knows that Man Utd and Spurs are currently seriously interested and instead of waiting for him to get better.
He thinks one of them will blink and sneak in to buy him this January transfer window.

Two clubs in for him.

One more than when we sold him.

Could be an auction this time.....

 

[Sothall_Blade]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...anchester-United-Tottenham-keen-sign-him.html

 

[vorpal blade]

Never knew that vorpal. Always thought it referred to two or more parties bidding. Silly me

60 yrs young and for about 45 of em I've been getting it wrong

its the sort of thing commentators get wrong so often that if we're not careful it'll become a 'correct' figure of speech.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Well one thing is for sure, if Rankine & co get a sniff that bigger clubs are interested in Brooks they'll do all they can to engineer a move. If it does indeed happen in Jan that would benefit Utd due to inflated JTW fees and obviously quicker receipt of proceeds.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Well one thing is for sure, if Rankine & co get a sniff that bigger clubs are interested in Brooks they'll do all they can to engineer a move. If it does indeed happen in Jan that would benefit Utd due to inflated JTW fees and obviously quicker receipt of proceeds.

Thought Darius Henderson was his agent nowadays?

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Of any profit.

This was my fear. If Spurs get their way, Levy will offer what Bournemouth paid us but top it up to £30/40m the week after leaving us with fuck all.

 

[TJB.]

This was my fear. If Spurs get their way, Levy will offer what Bournemouth paid us but top it up to £30/40m the week after leaving us with fuck all.

Just a hunch but I don't think Spurs have the dough to afford Brooks. No summer signings seemed very odd indeed for them and there are echoes of when their North London neighbours built a shiny new stadium but couldn't afford anyone decent for years.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Just a hunch but I don't think Spurs have the dough to afford Brooks. No summer signings seemed very odd indeed for them and there are echoes of when their North London neighbours built a shiny new stadium but couldn't afford anyone decent for years.

Be a shame if that’s the case (not Brooks transfer). I wouldn’t mind Spurs really pushing for the title. Arsenal really made a mess of it when they moved. Haven’t challenged properly since.

 

[TJB.]

Be a shame if that’s the case (not Brooks transfer). I wouldn’t mind Spurs really pushing for the title. Arsenal really made a mess of it when they moved. Haven’t challenged properly since.

Can't see it myself. Fully expecting them to sink back into the wilderness. Just not sustainable to build a new ground (especially one of that calibre) and splash the cash on players without selling first. They'll lose Pochettino too I imagine.

Let's just hope they don't look for a successful manager whose teams play exciting football on the deck, filled with players signed on a shoestring budget.

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Absolute shocker.

The fee we got for him was pathetic, as is usually the case with our young talent. Didn't take a genius to see the incredible ability and potential he had, he will go on to play for a top European team.

 

[grafikhaus]

Just a hunch but I don't think Spurs have the dough to afford Brooks. No summer signings seemed very odd indeed for them and there are echoes of when their North London neighbours built a shiny new stadium but couldn't afford anyone decent for years.

Man. U would blow Spurs out of the water. Rumours of £40m for Brooksy. Also, if Kane's injury is bad, Spurs will need an out-and-out striker as a priority.

Anyway, Leeds have got a Brooks-a-like who's every bit as good - Jack Clarke.

 

[Mouth of the South]

The fee we got for him was pathetic, as is usually the case with our young talent. Didn't take a genius to see the incredible ability and potential he had, he will go on to play for a top European team.[/QUOTE]

The fee was the most anyone will willing to pay. It's a pity that Spurs chose not to enter the auction which would have driven the price up.

On the plus side, the sale allowed Egan to be bought, McGoldrick to be signed and Henderson to be loaned.

 

[Ricky]

Absolute shocker.

The fee we got for him was pathetic, as is usually the case with our young talent. Didn't take a genius to see the incredible ability and potential he had, he will go on to play for a top European team.

But, but, but glandular fever.

I know he tore Leicester apart about a month after recovering, but what if his body disintegrated?

Even if he stayed fit, it's not like he was guaranteed to increase in value or anything.

 

[Balham]

But, but, but glandular fever.

I know he tore Leicester apart about a month after recovering, but what if his body disintegrated?

Even if he stayed fit, it's not like he was guaranteed to increase in value or anything.

Yes, with hindsight we undersold. However, we had a cashflow issue and wanted to make signings: how else would you have plugged those gaps? Would we be second if we didn't have Egan or Norwood but still had Brooks?

This was my fear. If Spurs get their way, Levy will offer what Bournemouth paid us but top it up to £30/40m the week after leaving us with fuck all.

Levy wouldn't care that Bournemouth have to give us a part of the fee. His driving a hard bargain reputation is centred around sales and a refusal to take a loss on a player: Spurs do have a history of arguably overpaying for players (Moussa Sissoko £30m, Roberto Soldado £26m, Erik Lamela £29m).

 

[Ricky]

Would we be second if we didn't have Egan or Norwood but still had Brooks?

We'd be top if we made those signings and kept Brooks, and we'd be going up. That's what it takes, that's the ambition you have to show. And how fantastic that would've been to watch, by the way.

We could've kept Brooks knowing we could cash him in if needs be, and probably for a bigger fee than we could get at the start of bloody July.

Maybe we got insecure because only Bournemouth were bidding.... well how about backing your own judgement, knowing more about him than anyone else, and bide your time? Anyone with any football sense could see he was better than fucking Bournemouth.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

He got a new agent, then he wanted to leave and told the club so. There was one club bidding to sign him. They made their offer, we had no others on the table. There was an ownership feud, there was no transfer budget available. There were targets wanted by the manager to strengthen the team (Egan and Norwood).

Selling slightly under value, but adding a decent sell-on profit % to mitigate for that seemed a decent way of sorting things out for the benefit of Sheffield United. With a possible sell-on % the total we get will be around the £20m mark.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

He got a new agent, then he wanted to leave and told the club so. There was one club bidding to sign him. They made their offer, we had no others on the table. There was an ownership feud, there was no transfer budget available. There were targets wanted by the manager to strengthen the team (Egan and Norwood).

Selling slightly under value, but adding a decent sell-on profit % to mitigate for that seemed a decent way of sorting things out for the benefit of Sheffield United. With a possible sell-on % the total we get will be around the £20m mark.

How do you get to £20m ?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

How do you get to £20m ?

Assuming the original sale was £11.5M, we only get £20M if Brooks is sold for £54M and we get 20% of the profit.
Unlikely.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Assuming the original sale was £11.5M, we only get £20M if Brooks is sold for £54M and we get 20% of the profit.
Unlikely.

I was working on approximates. Don't know the figures, but based on a £12m original sale, and a further sale around the £50m point we get about £7-8m, assuming the profit sell-on was 20-25%. Of course the figures might be all different, we only got £10m, they only get £35m and we only put in a 15% sell-on.

 

[Fanny magnet]

We'd be top if we made those signings and kept Brooks, and we'd be going up. That's what it takes, that's the ambition you have to show. And how fantastic that would've been to watch, by the way.

We could've kept Brooks knowing we could cash him in if needs be, and probably for a bigger fee than we could get at the start of bloody July.

Maybe we got insecure because only Bournemouth were bidding.... well how about backing your own judgement, knowing more about him than anyone else, and bide your time? Anyone with any football sense could see he was better than fucking Bournemouth.

How old are you , just out of interest ?

 

[Balham]

We'd be top if we made those signings and kept Brooks, and we'd be going up. That's what it takes, that's the ambition you have to show. And how fantastic that would've been to watch, by the way.

We could've kept Brooks knowing we could cash him in if needs be, and probably for a bigger fee than we could get at the start of bloody July.

Maybe we got insecure because only Bournemouth were bidding.... well how about backing your own judgement, knowing more about him than anyone else, and bide your time? Anyone with any football sense could see he was better than fucking Bournemouth.

We might have been top but that wouldn't ever have happened. Brentford and Brighton wouldn't have accepted our payment schedule of "yeah, well, if we sell Brooks at some point we'll send you the cash"; Egan would still be at Griffin Park and Norwood would be on loan at Hull. I agree with a lot of what you write but you're way off the mark with this one.

The "showing ambition" bit: rightly or wrongly our owners are unwilling to put any cash more than the bare minimum into the club at the moment. That meant that if we wanted to sign anyone at all in the summer, we needed to fund it with departures. It would have been lovely had Bournemouth put a £15m combined bid in for Ricky Holmes, Caolan Lavery and Samir Carruthers but unfortunately they're rubbish; our only saleable asset was Brooks so he had to go.

I also have every confidence that every single unofficial channel was explored to try and get a bidding war going but clearly the other Premier League sides had their doubts about Brooks' ability to make the step up.