Thank you Wigan

[Houston_Blade]

I hope we've recouped some of the reported £750k for him. I suspect we won't have but it would be nice if come January when it's permanent that a decent fee comes our way.

I'm expected an undisclosed fee and in reality around £250k back for him.

 

[zablade]

The JTW was looking back a mini disaster.

Taking a punt on three League one players and a loanee who didn’t want to put the effort in.

Not completely Wilders fault as his budget was a joke for the position we were in where we should have sewn up a play off spot, but our owners decide a squabble amongst themselves over relative pennies was more important than a chance of Premier League riches.

In hindsight CW May reflect that using the budget we did have may have been better spent on one game changing signing than three triers.

But Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Seth Rollins]

Lee Evans only ever did two good things in a United shirt & both of them came in the same game!!

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Ah, the old and lazy 'the professionals must know more than us mere mortals' line.

As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does.

Obviously your views seem to be that if your a professional in the game then you are the all seeing eye and anyone who has never been involved in the game is a complete know nowt. Quite simply that's just utter bullshit.

An example. Bryan Robson was a very established footballing fella, however my dead nan would have been a better manager than him and could probably have talked more sense.

Still pushing the anti-Evans shtick I see....

Fuck me, your life must be dull as fuck. Even more so after yesterday's result, you come on here and slag off a former player...

 

[Pinchy]

Lee Evans only ever did two good things in a United shirt & both of them came in the same game!!

Good line but manifestly not accurate.

 

[Pinchy]

But Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Gerrimsignedthen.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Ah, the old and lazy 'the professionals must know more than us mere mortals' line.

As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does.

Obviously your views seem to be that if your a professional in the game then you are the all seeing eye and anyone who has never been involved in the game is a complete know nowt. Quite simply that's just utter bullshit.

An example. Bryan Robson was a very established footballing fella, however my dead nan would have been a better manager than him and could probably have talked more sense.

Ermmm no. Paul Cook also had Evans as a player last season, so has seen far more of him than you have.

People that don't understand how passing, possession based football works will always moan at players who play safe passes, missing the point that they're doing what they've been asked to do.

Ending with a complete strawman, 'because you think Cook is a decent authority on the ability of Evans, you obviously think he's the all seeing eye and fans know nothing.' Yes, that's obviously my view... (as I give my own 'known nowt' opinion)

 

[AWetFlannel]

A bit harsh on Evans to berate him for not being Norwood or Coutts in my opinion. Why not slag him off for not being Messi too.

The lad always seemed to give 100% but at this stage of his career hasn’t reached the same standards as the afore named. He is however much younger.
A trawl on here would I’m sure find plenty of posts less than complimentary about the Roller in the time before Wilder.

Have no axe to grind with Evans and his goal v Boro that shut my smoggy mate up will always make me grateful. Is Norwood better currently? By a mile. Will Evans reach that level? Who knows because there’s a decent footballer there already and the years may show he can.

In the here and now I completely agree that Norwood makes us better but let’s not slag off an ex player who frankly did us no wrongs, it makes us look petty and a bit Billy big bollocks.

This.

 

[alcoblade]

I hope we've recouped some of the reported £750k for him. I suspect we won't have but it would be nice if come January when it's permanent that a decent fee comes our way.

I'm expected an undisclosed fee and in reality around £250k back for him.

Wilder said that we will make a profit on Evans.

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

Lee Evans only ever did two good things in a United shirt & both of them came in the same game!!

The Millwall game at the backend of last season was a very big one at the time. Fifteen minutes or so to go in a tense game, nil-nil, United attacking at the Kop end. A corner or free kick was partially cleared. Evans, 25 yards out, produced an inspired looping cross picking out O’Connell well beyond the far post - first thoughts were that he’d actually overhit it but he hadn’t - and Jack nodded it back across for Leon to score from close range.

Let’s not rewrite history, eh? Evans had his limitations but he wasn’t a bad player and there’s no need to give him a kicking now even though Norwood is clearly an upgrade.

 

[Iceybabey]

Our game has missed Coutts, massively, end of. Playing with certain players can do wonders for your own game and now Norwood is bringing that same inspiration. Having both on the pitch, plus Fleck, will be very interesting to say the least.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Thing is, out of the 5 signing in January he was the best .........
Lundstrum is a poorer version of Evans
Leonard is Vanilla, just bang average
Holmes gone out on loan
Wilson, well just WTF!

Pity Tufty didnt get Norwood in January instead of those 5

But he has binned 3 of the 5, two to go

Absolutely spot on,pity we couldn't have done a deal with Wigan to to take Lundstram as well.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

He was alright and he seemed like a nice enough guy, but we've certainly upgraded.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder said that we will make a profit on Evans.

Hats off then. Great move.

 

[Pinchy]

Our game has missed Coutts, massively, end of. Playing with certain players can do wonders for your own game and now Norwood is bringing that same inspiration. Having both on the pitch, plus Fleck, will be very interesting to say the least.

Too much quality for some, sadly.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Our game has missed Coutts, massively, end of. Playing with certain players can do wonders for your own game and now Norwood is bringing that same inspiration. Having both on the pitch, plus Fleck, will be very interesting to say the least.

Indeed, it's a tasty prospect.

It was very interesting the other day that CW eluded to the point of having players in the squad/group that enable him to move players about with team selection and formation changes during a game.

Can seen Coutts/Norwood and Fleck (ie playing without a hole player or no:10) being a joy to watch in a similar vein to Fulham last season - and hopefully pass teams to death. If Fleck can be released more to get forward like he did yesterday at Bolton, it again opens up another attacking dimension of getting midfield players beyond the attackers.

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Too much quality for some, sadly.

That's a bit harsh pinchy - most fans want winning football, it's just a double joy when winning football games coincides with exceptional play like yesterday at Bolton. Sometimes teams need to win ugly - it is a sign of a good team that can do that and I doubt CW will be as expansive as we were at Bolton with some teams in this division. Fortunate for us, it appears as though Swansea and boro have made him once again look at the direction and change immediately which he should be complimented on.

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

That's a bit harsh pinchy - most fans want winning football, it's just a double joy when winning football games coincides with exceptional play like yesterday at Bolton. Sometimes teams need to win ugly - it is a sign of a good team that can do that and I doubt CW will be as expansive as we were at Bolton with some teams in this division. Fortunate for us, it appears as though Swansea and boro have made him once again look at the direction and change immediately which he should be complimented on.

UTB

Proper football is winning football. They are two sides of the same coin. History evidences that conclusively. I know it’s an uncomfortable fact for the Bassett generation but that, happily, is not my problem.

 

[Lil red rooster]

Just look at the results with coutts and without ,shows how he has been missed.
Then Norwood comes in and results improve immediately.
At least when coutts is back match fit we won't be as heavily reliant on one or two players.

 

[Gareth Kay]

The Millwall game at the backend of last season was a very big one at the time. Fifteen minutes or so to go in a tense game, nil-nil, United attacking at the Kop end. A corner or free kick was partially cleared. Evans, 25 yards out, produced an inspired looping cross picking out O’Connell well beyond the far post - first thoughts were that he’d actually overhit it but he hadn’t - and Jack nodded it back across for Leon to score from close range.

Let’s not rewrite history, eh? Evans had his limitations but he wasn’t a bad player and there’s no need to give him a kicking now even though Norwood is clearly an upgrade.

then within 5 minutes failed to control an easy pass and Milwall scored. Evans is poor.

 

[coolhandluke]

I agree. The January transfer window wasnt CW's best. But I suppose he was playing the odds in trying to find a gem from the lower leagues with the little amount of money he had available (let's think about this when some of us whinge about selling Brooks). On paper, Evans had the better opportunity as he was arriving from another championship club, albeit he was playing in league 1 with Wigan at the time.

I don't actually mind Leonard as I think he is a solid squad player and will do a decent job for us. And I've not quite given up on Lundstram yet, though he clearly needed to be dropped from the team and he needs to up his game considerably unless he wants to join the other 3 Januaury signings who all came, saw, and definately did not conquer.

Last January's transfer window tells us all we need to know about Wilder and his back room teams mindset this summer .

There's absolutely no doubt at all that CW demanding to know if the board would back him in a meaningful manner was a direct reaction to what he'd seen the season before . All of the signings he made in January weren't absolute howlers . On paper they were ' steady ' players who could ' do a job ' . What they weren't however was players who could really allow us to compete with the better Clubs in the Division like the Norwoods of this world do .

I also think January's signings were a clear indication that CW was still finding his feet in the Championship too . Ricky Holmes for example was a player Wilder knew very well and I'm certain he believed he could make the step up in class . What's happened though is the reverse . We've all now seen Holmes is at best top end League 1 or bottom end Championship . He's no where near top end Championship .

Wilders ability to learn and adapt is one of his strongest traits. True the signings he made in January could be viewed as mistakes, but we all know that Wilder has recognised that and is already putting them right . All of our signings now are a step up in class and this also reflects Wilders progressive thinking .

On the subject of the January signings there's only one I'm still hopeful about and that's Leonard . I just don't see him making his mark here as a midfielder .

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Absolutely spot on,pity we couldn't have done a deal with Wigan to to take Lundstram as well.

Interesting quote about Lunny - he's not that bad and can play a part. A significant change yesterday at Bolton was last season Lunny would have been the substitution to stiffen up midfield in the last quarter. yesterday, we brought Stearman on to go in defence and pushed Basham into midfield as the player to stiffen up the midfield and see the game out.

It's good for us that CW now has more options, but what role will Lunny play now is a question to ask?

UTB

 

[Speedracer]

There is more than the whiff of sounding like the "massive" in the op. Why not just be pleased we have brought someone in who has improved our team by being a better fit for us, rather than delighting in the departure of a player derided as not good enough? Lee Evans has talent, the way he took his goal against Boro proved that, technically it was superb & I thank him for his contribution for us in the famous red & white stripes. Personally I feel playing him alongside Lundstram didn't help either of them & it was proving challenging integrating them into our system, but that doesn't mean he was poor, for all we know he could have been carrying out his instructions perfectly, who of us here knows that?
Let us be happy that his move has facilitated Norwoods move to us, yes he looks an upgrade & we look a much better team for it, but no need to castigate the lad, I thank him for his contribution whilst he was here & hope he has a good career in the game.

 

[BushBlade]

We were very poor in the weeks between Coutts getting injured and the JTW. Evans was an emergency signing and probably the best available at the time with the budget we had. He improved us. Norwood is much better though. It’s an amicable break up for me; thanks Evans for halting the slide, hope you have a decent career, we’ve moved on.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Would imagine Wigan fans might have a title saying ‘thank you Sheffield United”.
Evans has played well for Wigan so far and looks good in their system.

Also we’re raving about Norwood but the Fulham fans thought he was the weakest of their 3 midfielders.
Said he’s good and high Championship standard but was never great in their team.
The Fulham fans were convinced he’s not good enough for the PL and were delighted to off load him.

Don’t think it’s as simple to say, he’s a good player or he’s a bad player.
It all depends how they are being used within the tactical team framework.
I seriously don’t think Coutts, Fleck or Duffy would be anywhere near as good playing for other teams.
However at SU theres a positivity and appreciation.
Their styles really complement and bring out the best in each other.
Norwood’s style seems to naturally slot into the role he’s been given, hence why he’s showing his best.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Thing is, out of the 5 signing in January he was the best .........
Lundstrum is a poorer version of Evans
Leonard is Vanilla, just bang average
Holmes gone out on loan
Wilson, well just WTF!

Pity Tufty didnt get Norwood in January instead of those 5

But he has binned 3 of the 5, two to go

Leonard played very well against Norwich tbf and Lundstram has had some good performances in a blades shirt. It’s simply just too early for him to be at that level.

 

[Weasel]

Still pushing the anti-Evans shtick I see....

Fuck me, your life must be dull as fuck. Even more so after yesterday's result, you come on here and slag off a former player...

Your funny - you make me laugh.

 

[Weasel]

Ermmm no. Paul Cook also had Evans as a player last season, so has seen far more of him than you have.

People that don't understand how passing, possession based football works will always moan at players who play safe passes, missing the point that they're doing what they've been asked to do.

Ending with a complete strawman, 'because you think Cook is a decent authority on the ability of Evans, you obviously think he's the all seeing eye and fans know nothing.' Yes, that's obviously my view... (as I give my own 'known nowt' opinion)

Errmmm no. You have completely misunderstood my point. So I will repeat part of my previous post.

'As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does'.

So in essence (and for the ease of understanding for the simple few)

1) I have watched more of SUFC than Paul Cook ever has (unless he's a closet Blades fan, who has followed United home and away for many many years like I have).

2) I have seen more of Lee Evans playing live for SUFC (not Wigan mind, but then I'm not a Wigan fan) than Paul Cook has (unless he's a closet Blades fan who...you get the jist). Therefore I said I had seen more of the lads 'contribution to SUFC' than Paul Cook has. That's not an opinion, that's just a fact as PC is probably busy watching his Wigan side play on a Saturday or Tuesday.

Ive always found that reading is such a joy when you have learnt to do it properly.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Errmmm no. You have completely misunderstood my point. So I will repeat part of my previous post.

'As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does'.

So in essence (and for the ease of understanding for the simple few)

1) I have watched more of SUFC than Paul Cook ever has (unless he's a closet Blades fan, who has followed United home and away for many many years like I have).

2) I have seen more of Lee Evans playing live for SUFC (not Wigan mind, but then I'm not a Wigan fan) than Paul Cook has (unless he's a closet Blades fan who...you get the jist). Therefore I said I had seen more of the lads 'contribution to SUFC' than Paul Cook has. That's not an opinion, that's just a fact as PC is probably busy watching his Wigan side play on a Saturday or Tuesday.

Ive always found that reading is such a joy when you have learnt to do it properly.

I did you the favour of assuming you were making a relevant point: that you have seen more of Evans than Paul Cook has so can make a better judgement of his playing ability.

It turns out you are just saying you've seen the contribution Evans has made to SUFC live more than Cook, which hardly supports your assertion that you know better than Cook that Evans is a poor player that can't pass it forwards. I'll stop being charitable to your agenda driven point and just say you're talking crap then.

 

[Weasel]

I did you the favour of assuming you were making a relevant point: that you have seen more of Evans than Paul Cook has so can make a better judgement of his playing ability.

It turns out you are just saying you've seen the contribution Evans has made to SUFC live more than Cook, which hardly supports your assertion that you know better than Cook that Evans is a poor player that can't pass it forwards. I'll stop being charitable to your agenda driven point and just say you're talking crap then.

Yes, you clearly 'assumed' rather than taking the time to accurately read my post.

And once again you fail to understand my point. I said that I had seen more of Evans CONTRIBUTION TO SUFC than PC has.

I will also stop being charitable now in wasting my time trying to explain a simple point i made to someone who clearly is incapable of understanding.

Evans might be the next Messi playing for Wigan. But playing for SUFC I thought he was negative and a poor player. My opinion and my right to have one. Just like it's to your right to continue to spout bollox.