Thank you Wigan

[EmleyMoorBlade]

Just want to say a BIG thank you to Wigan for taking Lee Evans.
Changed our team for the better, out he goes and in comes Oli Norwood which also has transformed John Fleck back to one of the best midfield players in the division now he does not have do the work of two men.

UTB

 

[Weasel]

Hang on...some of us on here would have you believe that Evans was a good player who just 'didn't fit into our system'.

However, I was of the school of thinking that he was a poor player who was very negative, and who considerably slowed our play down, allowing the opposition plenty of time to filter back in their own time into a defensive position.

Obviously i was wrong.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Hang on...some of us on here would have you believe that Evans was a good player who just 'didn't fit into our system'.

However, I was of the school of thinking that he was a poor player who was very negative, and who considerably slowed our play down, allowing the opposition plenty of time to filter back in their own time into a defensive position.

Obviously i was wrong.

We've had plenty of "good players" who've turned out pretty poor for us and I'd Evans in that category. His style of play would fit in some systems but not ours. File him with Brian Howard, Leon Britton and James Harper in the "didn't quite work" category, albeit they had much better careers elsewhere than I suspect Evans will have.

 

[allypallyblade]

A fine trio. Britton would have worked out much better with our current manager. Coutts was close to not working out after all.

 

[Weasel]

I'm not sure though that 'our system' prevented Evans from looking up and trying to play a forward ball on occasions, rather than taking the easy option of knocking it sideways or back all the time. I'm also pretty certain that 'our system' also prevented him from breaking / passing with the speed of a tortoise.

I have no beef with the lad personally, and I supported him wholeheartedly when he had the red n white shirt on, but I was pleased when he went. A very mediocre player in my eyes and I would wager he will drift onto lower league football in the non too distant future.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'm not sure though that 'our system' prevented him from looking up and trying to play a forward ball on occasions, rather than taking the easy option of knocking it sideways or back all the time. I'm also pretty certain that 'our system' also prevented him from breaking / passing with the speed of a tortoise.

Michael Carrick and Jordan Henderson have both made a fortune out of doing the same.

 

[Weasel]

Michael Carrick and Jordan Henderson have both made a fortune out of doing the same.

Yes they might have both made a fortune (agreed) but are you seriously trying to compare their games with Lee Evans..? They are world's apart (the premiership lads can actually go / pass forward and have a lot more to their game apart from just passing back).

 

[SwissBlade]

Just want to say a BIG thank you to Wigan for taking Lee Evans.
Changed our team for the better, out he goes and in comes Oli Norwood which also has transformed John Fleck back to one of the best midfield players in the division now he does not have do the work of two men.

UTB

Not so much thanks to Wigan, but thanks to Wilder, Knill and Lee Evans himself. There is no arrogance around them for thinking that it could work out better. They realised it wasn't working and addressed it

 

[Plymouthblade]

Michael Carrick and Jordan Henderson have both made a fortune out of doing the same.

Being invisible

 

[Houston_Blade]

Yes they might have both made a fortune (agreed) but are you seriously trying to compare their games with Lee Evans..? They are world's apart (the premiership lads can actually go / pass forward and have a lot more to their game apart from just passing back).

I don't think Lee Evans is anywhere near as good at getting away with looking like a good footballer as Carrick and Henderson, so I guess the answer is "no".

 

[nopigfansintown]

Lee Evans is a crab in possession, and a complete passenger out of possession. Never tracked his runner or imposed himself on the game physically; or took the responsibility to pass the ball forward. Something that can't be labelled at the likes of Henderson. He didn't carry the ball forward either. A book passer, basically. One of the biggest frauds to play for United.He has good technique which made it all the more annoying.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I'm not sure though that 'our system' prevented Evans from looking up and trying to play a forward ball on occasions, rather than taking the easy option of knocking it sideways or back all the time. I'm also pretty certain that 'our system' also prevented him from breaking / passing with the speed of a tortoise.

I have no beef with the lad personally, and I supported him wholeheartedly when he had the red n white shirt on, but I was pleased when he went. A very mediocre player in my eyes and I would wager he will drift onto lower league football in the non too distant future.

He did pass forwards.

When you have an agenda, you forget these occasions.

 

[Weasel]

He did pass forwards.

When you have an agenda, you forget these occasions.

And when you have an agenda you dont realise just how poor he was.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I notice he was man of the match for them today, albeit in a loss.

 

[Bladezz]

My biggest gripe wasn’t his passing sidewards, it was he was a defensive midfielder who never made a tackle.

I see the thinking in comparisons to Carrick and the Henderson in terms of style of play. But they both make tackles, Carrick even played centre half for Sir Alex at a push. Henderson could play anywhere to be honest.

But Evans pretty much only has technique, he can do simple things but the championship isn’t his level by a long stretch.

 

[super_pig]

Yes they might have both made a fortune (agreed) but are you seriously trying to compare their games with Lee Evans..? They are world's apart (the premiership lads can actually go / pass forward and have a lot more to their game apart from just passing back).

really? .. evidence on henderson moving forward please .. infuriating player

 

[Carlton Blade]

The passing was an issue but I think he'll get better at that as he ages. He's technically very good and there is definitely some potential there.

My issue with him (And Lundstram) is the complete lack of mobility or defensive awareness. He isn't good enough at the in possession work to be as bad as he is out of possession.

That was some goal against Boro though

 

[Weasel]

really? .. evidence on henderson moving forward please .. infuriating player

Mmmhhhh...

You have a point.

 

[super_pig]

Mmmhhhh...

You have a point.

 

[Worksop II]

And when you have an agenda you dont realise just how poor he was.

Thing is, out of the 5 signing in January he was the best .........
Lundstrum is a poorer version of Evans
Leonard is Vanilla, just bang average
Holmes gone out on loan
Wilson, well just WTF!

Pity Tufty didnt get Norwood in January instead of those 5

But he has binned 3 of the 5, two to go

 

[Weasel]

Thing is, out of the 5 signing in January he was the best .........
Lundstrum is a poorer version of Evans
Leonard is Vanilla, just bang average
Holmes gone out on loan
Wilson, well just WTF!

Pity Tufty didnt get Norwood in January instead of those 5

But he has binned 3 of the 5, two to go

I agree. The January transfer window wasnt CW's best. But I suppose he was playing the odds in trying to find a gem from the lower leagues with the little amount of money he had available (let's think about this when some of us whinge about selling Brooks). On paper, Evans had the better opportunity as he was arriving from another championship club, albeit he was playing in league 1 with Wigan at the time.

I don't actually mind Leonard as I think he is a solid squad player and will do a decent job for us. And I've not quite given up on Lundstram yet, though he clearly needed to be dropped from the team and he needs to up his game considerably unless he wants to join the other 3 Januaury signings who all came, saw, and definately did not conquer.

 

[YES Blade]

I’m pretty sure Norwood would have signed and played even if Evans hadn’t gone to Wigan.

So not sure why the big thank you? They just signed one of our fringe players.

I’m thankful for whoever managed to sell the club to Norwood, he’s one hell of a salesman because he must have had plenty of interest in his signature.

 

[AWetFlannel]

And when you have an agenda you dont realise just how poor he was.

How poor was he? A decent championship player at a good age, proved by Wigan paying more than we did for him after watching his games for us in the Championship last season.

Of course you know better than Paul Cook though...

 

[Roygbiv]

I defended Evans last season and thought he would improve this season. It's only now that I realise how inferior he was to Coutts. That's not a slight on Evans as Coutts is a hard player to emulate but Norwood has immediately shown just how far away he and Lundstram were last season to filling the huge void.

 

[davidblade]

Just want to say a BIG thank you to Wigan for taking Lee Evans.
Changed our team for the better, out he goes and in comes Oli Norwood which also has transformed John Fleck back to one of the best midfield players in the division now he does not have do the work of two men.

UTB

Perhaps we could give them a ring and ask them if they want Lundstram as well.

 

[Weasel]

How poor was he? A decent championship player at a good age, proved by Wigan paying more than we did for him after watching his games for us in the Championship last season.

Of course you know better than Paul Cook though...

Ah, the old and lazy 'the professionals must know more than us mere mortals' line.

As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does.

Obviously your views seem to be that if your a professional in the game then you are the all seeing eye and anyone who has never been involved in the game is a complete know nowt. Quite simply that's just utter bullshit.

An example. Bryan Robson was a very established footballing fella, however my dead nan would have been a better manager than him and could probably have talked more sense.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I notice he was man of the match for them today, albeit in a loss.


Apparently he was the best player on the pitch according to their forum.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Ah, the old and lazy 'the professionals must know more than us mere mortals' line.

As I have watched far more of SUFC than the great Paul Cook has over many years, and over the last season which incidentally includes when Evans was playing for us, then yes it would seem that I do know more about Evan's recent 'contribution' to SUFC than Paul Cook does.

Obviously your views seem to be that if your a professional in the game then you are the all seeing eye and anyone who has never been involved in the game is a complete know nowt. Quite simply that's just utter bullshit.

An example. Bryan Robson was a very established footballing fella, however my dead nan would have been a better manager than him and could probably have talked more sense.

Gets my hackles up too does this sort of bollocks. Has no one ever worked for a shit manager at work who doesn't know what the fuck he/she is doing? Since Harris I'd say half of United's managers have been clueless.

 

[Pinchy]

So not sure why the big thank you?

Because we’d sooner cap-doff other clubs than even dream of praising our own?

We Other Clubs.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

A bit harsh on Evans to berate him for not being Norwood or Coutts in my opinion. Why not slag him off for not being Messi too.

The lad always seemed to give 100% but at this stage of his career hasn’t reached the same standards as the afore named. He is however much younger.
A trawl on here would I’m sure find plenty of posts less than complimentary about the Roller in the time before Wilder.

Have no axe to grind with Evans and his goal v Boro that shut my smoggy mate up will always make me grateful. Is Norwood better currently? By a mile. Will Evans reach that level? Who knows because there’s a decent footballer there already and the years may show he can.

In the here and now I completely agree that Norwood makes us better but let’s not slag off an ex player who frankly did us no wrongs, it makes us look petty and a bit Billy big bollocks.