Chris - Thank you and good luck

[Boxer Blade]

I'm a bit 50/50 on Chris staying, reading the comments on this from both finding why he should stay and those against make sense, if I heard in a few weeks he'd gone I'd be a tad disappointed but would wait to see who the new manager was before getting too down or equally getting overly excited, I think he deserves a chance whichever division we are in.

 

[FTPE]

This disappointment will be our rallying cry.
We'll do it, and I agree that there's no better man to lead the charge.

 

[DifferentClass]

Seen some comparisons of modern Wilder to late period Brian Clough, I really don't think Wilder's at that stage just yet...

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

People have massively overstated the ‘rebuild’ we did last summer. We lost one or 2 players who were of use for the future (Bogle and Osula). The rest was a case of getting rid of either deadwood or players who wanted to go elsewhere for a last payday.

We’ve then had a healthy budget and put together a side that you’d expect to be up near the top of the league.

It seems one of the positives given by his backers is replacing these players. If we look at some of those we let go or got rid of, they were Wilder MK1 signings and some from the previous shitshow of a summer window under Hecky. He’s not really made any signings apart from Cooper and Campbell (maybe Burrows) who have been standouts and he’s still flogging 2 dead horses in JLT and Brewster.

He’s played 2 of our potential best players in Hamer and BBD out of position and then left our best CB to get splinters in his arse whilst JLT plays week in week out.

He’s made a tit of himself on and off the field in interviews, pub karaoke sessions and scraps with oppo players.

Wilder MK1 was excellent, Wilder MK2 is far from it.

Perfectly put mate!! Sums it up perfectly!

Only thing I'd add is compare contrast the job Hecky did with MGW/Ndiaye/McAtee to what Wilder has done with Rak Sakhi and Brooks

I firmly believe in an alternative universe those two kick on and create enough goals to get a team promoted....

Other than maybe Peck, I'm not sure there's one player who's better now than when they signed. Indicator of a great coach is how much better they make players. As you say Wilder MKI was brilliant at this. Wilder MKII isn't...

 

[Houston_Blade]

Perfectly put mate!! Sums it up perfectly!

Only thing I'd add is compare contrast the job Hecky did with MGW/Ndiaye/McAtee to what Wilder has done with Rak Sakhi and Brooks

I firmly believe in an alternative universe those two kick on and create enough goals to get a team promoted....

Other than maybe Peck, I'm not sure there's one player who's better now than when they signed. Indicator of a great coach is how much better they make players. As you say Wilder MKI was brilliant at this. Wilder MKII isn't...

Agreed on the use of young lads like Brooks and JRS, McAtee and Doyle got us over the line at the expense of some older pros the other season, we’ve had no one kick on and get us over the line this time.

I get that we have no one of the quality of Ndiaye, MGW and to an extent McAtee but the only explanation we’ve been given for Brooks not playing is that he doesn’t train very well! I’m not actually that fussed when he’s one of the better options we have and has been a proven match winner in the first team this season.

Peck has been a great success story so I can’t take away from that one, I’m sure Arblaster would have been had he stayed injury free.

I do have to keep reminding myself of how gutted I was when Wilder left first time around, I vented a lot at the Chairman at that point, incorrectly it would seem now. The warning signs of Wilder’s behaviour when things don’t go his way were there and we’re seeing that behaviour this time around. He seems to forget that he was an out of work manager with two Championship failures behind him when we employed him.

 

[Aston max]

I for one , and there are thousands more , believe in you and thank you for what you have done for our beloved club . Easy to throw stones and say you've no clue (WTF?) but actually guiding us through the devastation of last season to where we are now proves you have more clue in your little finger than the entitled PlayStation know-all warriors have .

So ....thank you , good luck to you and our players .....keep the faith and we`re behind you

UTB

Completely agree with getting behind him for the next 5 games ! ( hopefully we'll win all 5 )
But be honest no matter where we end up will coh think he's the man for which is essentially another rebuild ?
Dont get me wrong Chris for me is up there with Harris,porterfield and Bassett and will always have a special place in that section of my heart dedicated to the Blades.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

This season he got 2 free signings right out of 4 in O’Hare and Campbell. Shackleton has been a poor signing as he’s hardly played, we’ve replaced Osborn with a less fit Osborn. McCallum has been squad filler, was useful at the start of the season to see games out, hardly used in the back end of the season.

If I were being picky with Campbell and O’Hare the former would have been available more and able to play more than 60 mins when available, the latter would have had more goal contributions but overall as freebies they’ve been impactful and filled obvious gaps in the squad.

Going back in time:

16/17 - 6 freebies - Fleck and Duffy (excellent), Jake Wright (good), Lafferty (average), Wilson and Hammond (piss poor) 50% strike rate again.

17/18 - 2 freebies: Enda (excellent), Donaldson (average to poor) - 50% strike rate.

18/19 - 3 freebies: Didzy (great signing), Washington (poor), Kean Bryan (poor) - 33.33% strike rate overall.

19/20 - 4 freebies: Jags (ok), Verrips, Rodwell and Ravel (poor) - 25% strike rate is being generous.

Over his time with us then he’s signed 8 decent freebies (some were very good and credit is well deserved for those) and 11 poor signings. 42% strike rate.

Some of our thinking on his success rate with freebies is skewed by the successes.

You can do another list for loan signings under Wilder and another for fees. I'm betting loans will be around 50% good and permanent signings 25%.

 

[AWetFlannel]

This season he got 2 free signings right out of 4 in O’Hare and Campbell. Shackleton has been a poor signing as he’s hardly played, we’ve replaced Osborn with a less fit Osborn. McCallum has been squad filler, was useful at the start of the season to see games out, hardly used in the back end of the season.

If I were being picky with Campbell and O’Hare the former would have been available more and able to play more than 60 mins when available, the latter would have had more goal contributions but overall as freebies they’ve been impactful and filled obvious gaps in the squad.

Going back in time:

16/17 - 6 freebies - Fleck and Duffy (excellent), Jake Wright (good), Lafferty (average), Wilson and Hammond (piss poor) 50% strike rate again.

17/18 - 2 freebies: Enda (excellent), Donaldson (average to poor) - 50% strike rate.

18/19 - 3 freebies: Didzy (great signing), Washington (poor), Kean Bryan (poor) - 33.33% strike rate overall.

19/20 - 4 freebies: Jags (ok), Verrips, Rodwell and Ravel (poor) - 25% strike rate is being generous.

Over his time with us then he’s signed 8 decent freebies (some were very good and credit is well deserved for those) and 11 poor signings. 42% strike rate.

Some of our thinking on his success rate with freebies is skewed by the successes.

Donaldson was an average to poor free transfer?

 

[Houston_Blade]

You can do another list for loan signings under Wilder and another for fees. I'm betting loans will be around 50% good and permanent signings 25%.

I may do this at some point!

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I may do this at some point!

I agree with your ratings on the other one. Good effort. Clearly no spare time on your hands!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I agree with your ratings on the other one. Good effort. Clearly no spare time on your hands!

Ha, my eldest son football trains 3 nights a week for an hour and half, I normally run for 30 mins of each session so this was a task in the spare hour

 

[ATL Recs]

Apologies for giving him the blame for Hammond, I just listed the freebies that season.

As for the comment you pointed out, it was a poorly worded way of saying that everyone remembers Duffy, Didzy and Fleck and forgets Rodwell, Bryan and Ravel.

Hammond was the season before

 

[Old Programme seller]

I’m ‘trying’ not to put this thought in anybody else’s head but IF we were to win promotion this season could we do what is being suggested at Leeds and get a proven premier league manager who has a pedigree in keeping teams up like Sean Dyche ? There I’ve said it ! Apologies to everyone

 

[LondonRoad]

I can't believe people are comparing the development of McAtee, MGW and Ndiaye to JRS and Brooks. The first 3 are light years ahead of the latter two in terms of talent AND application. And if your talking about development of players, who introduced Arblaster and Peck to the first team?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

And if your talking about development of players, who introduced Arblaster and Peck to the first team?

Heckingbottom with Arblaster, Wilder for Peck.

 

[LondonRoad]

Heckingbottom with Arblaster, Wilder for Peck.

Fair enough, Arblaster did play, predominantly cup matches, under Hecky.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Donaldson was an average to poor free transfer?

Genuine question but how could you describe him as anything else??

 

[AWetFlannel]

Genuine question but how could you describe him as anything else??

Because he did everything that was expected of him and more for a team punching above it's weight, despite being cheaper than the vast number of strikers in that window.

The way that people talk about most signings is dumb, but it being a free transfer just makes it worse.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Agreed on the use of young lads like Brooks and JRS, McAtee and Doyle got us over the line at the expense of some older pros the other season, we’ve had no one kick on and get us over the line this time.

I get that we have no one of the quality of Ndiaye, MGW and to an extent McAtee but the only explanation we’ve been given for Brooks not playing is that he doesn’t train very well! I’m not actually that fussed when he’s one of the better options we have and has been a proven match winner in the first team this season.

Peck has been a great success story so I can’t take away from that one, I’m sure Arblaster would have been had he stayed injury free.

I do have to keep reminding myself of how gutted I was when Wilder left first time around, I vented a lot at the Chairman at that point, incorrectly it would seem now. The warning signs of Wilder’s behaviour when things don’t go his way were there and we’re seeing that behaviour this time around. He seems to forget that he was an out of work manager with two Championship failures behind him when we employed him.

Absolutely. I was the same. Once he broke that emotional contract that first time, it was never going to be the same again. And it's proving to be he case.

I say that, but if he'd got us playing the same brand of swashbuckling football as the last time he got us promoted, I genuinely think he wins most of his detractors round. But this turgid nonsense and his sticking with the same players/system every week when it's clearly hit a cul-de-sac, really has run it's course. God knows what's happened to him....

 

[Upton_Blade]

Because he did everything that was expected of him and more for a team punching above it's weight, despite being cheaper than the vast number of strikers in that window.

The way that people talk about most signings is dumb, but it being a free transfer just makes it worse.

Your username is certainly accurate .

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I can't believe people are comparing the development of McAtee, MGW and Ndiaye to JRS and Brooks. The first 3 are light years ahead of the latter two in terms of talent AND application. And if your talking about development of players, who introduced Arblaster and Peck to the first team?

So, if I've got this right you're saying the only reason Rak Saki and Brooks haven't kicked on this year is because a) they're lazy and b) not good enough?

Wow.

Rak Saki those first few cameos he looked a different level - so ability wise, I think you're way off the mark. He showed more initially than McAtee did in the early days. And surely the notion of 'coaching' is to find a style and technique that gets the best out of any player not just the ones that love a scrap, beer and calling people names?

And as for Peck, as great as he has been, has he gotten any better as the season has gone on? He's got fitter but I'm not seeing him develop in the same Doyle did.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Your username is certainly accurate .

For what we paid in fees and wages for the season, what would you think is par?

He scored 5 goals in 29 games, which is nearly the exact same as Moore this season but was probably on less than half the money. We needed a back up striker and our budget was fuck all, he played his part well.

It's as though people think that regardless of fees, wages and all other context, if a player is signed and doesn't become one of your best players, it's average or below.

 

[LondonRoad]

So, if I've got this right you're saying the only reason Rak Saki and Brooks haven't kicked on this year is because a) they're lazy and b) not good enough?

Wow.

Rak Saki those first few cameos he looked a different level - so ability wise, I think you're way off the mark. He showed more initially than McAtee did in the early days. And surely the notion of 'coaching' is to find a style and technique that gets the best out of any player not just the ones that love a scrap, beer and calling people names?

Nope. Just feel the first three players were/are better overall

 

[Houston_Blade]

I can't believe people are comparing the development of McAtee, MGW and Ndiaye to JRS and Brooks. The first 3 are light years ahead of the latter two in terms of talent AND application. And if your talking about development of players, who introduced Arblaster and Peck to the first team?

No one is comparing the ability of MGW, Ndiaye and McAtee to Brooks and JRS. They’re all now playing in the PL for a reason. The issue is that we’ve kept doing what we’ve done all season despite performance and results dropping off. Some change might have got us over the line.

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

This season he got 2 free signings right out of 4 in O’Hare and Campbell. Shackleton has been a poor signing as he’s hardly played, we’ve replaced Osborn with a less fit Osborn. McCallum has been squad filler, was useful at the start of the season to see games out, hardly used in the back end of the season.

If I were being picky with Campbell and O’Hare the former would have been available more and able to play more than 60 mins when available, the latter would have had more goal contributions but overall as freebies they’ve been impactful and filled obvious gaps in the squad.

Going back in time:

16/17 - 6 freebies - Fleck and Duffy (excellent), Jake Wright (good), Lafferty (average), Wilson and Hammond (piss poor) 50% strike rate again.

17/18 - 2 freebies: Enda (excellent), Donaldson (average to poor) - 50% strike rate.

18/19 - 3 freebies: Didzy (great signing), Washington (poor), Kean Bryan (poor) - 33.33% strike rate overall.

19/20 - 4 freebies: Jags (ok), Verrips, Rodwell and Ravel (poor) - 25% strike rate is being generous.

Over his time with us then he’s signed 8 decent freebies (some were very good and credit is well deserved for those) and 11 poor signings. 42% strike rate.

Some of our thinking on his success rate with freebies is skewed by the successes.

I thought Clayton Donaldson was a good signing personally

 

[Houston_Blade]

I thought Clayton Donaldson was a good signing personally

I remember a good goal at Sunderland